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So I've been getting back into TF since September and I'm trying to round out my movie cast. I hear leader class Starscream is a good figure but I'm wanting to know if he's in-scale with the other leaders in the ROTF/HFTD linescompared to their on-screen sizes, or if he's oversized. I'm considering ordering the ROTF voyager and I've already decided I'm going to get the deluxe, but I really don't like oversized figures.
Also, does the slight downsizing of DOTM voyager Ironhide make him more or less in-scale with the deluxe class cars and/or leader Optimus Prime?

Leader Starscream's not technically in scale, but for me, he's close enough, especially in robot mode. I'm not sure about this, but I think I remember my friend who knows quite a bit about planes saying that he'd need to be approximately twice as big in vehicle mode to be in scale with figures such as Leader Prime, Voyager Ratchet/Ironhide, or most Deluxe cars. Despite this, I would very strongly recommend that you get Leader Starscream. It's one of my favourite ROTF figures, along with one of the best (the other being Leader Prime).

As for Ironhide, I'm pretty sure he's already a bit too small to be truly in scale with most of the other figures, so the DOTM downsize would make him a bit smaller. He still shouldn't be too bad, though.

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OptiMagnus10 wrote:So I've been getting back into TF since September and I'm trying to round out my movie cast. I hear leader class Starscream is a good figure but I'm wanting to know if he's in-scale with the other leaders in the ROTF/HFTD linescompared to their on-screen sizes, or if he's oversized. I'm considering ordering the ROTF voyager and I've already decided I'm going to get the deluxe, but I really don't like oversized figures.
Also, does the slight downsizing of DOTM voyager Ironhide make him more or less in-scale with the deluxe class cars and/or leader Optimus Prime?

Scale is kind of a loose concept with the planes. I mean, presumably Leader class Jetfire and Prime are "in scale" with one another; but let me assure you: an SR-71 is a good deal bigger than a big-rig truck. So, for that matter, is an F-22.

Compared to other Leader figures, Leader Starscream is probably closer to his relative on-screen size than Voyager Starscream.

In robot mode, he's definately in scale with Megatron and Optimus. But when you compare him to Jetfire and The Fallen, not at all. But I guess that's because Jetfire and The Fallen are nowhere near scale to begin with.

I've spent ages thinking and analysing this. As you can see from the pics above Starscream's jet is half size. According to the film his robot mode is about right and that means that the film screws up scale very well.

Deluxe Ironhide is in scale with Voyager Battle Blades Prime. Voyager Ironhide is in scale with Leader Prime.

In robot mode I think leader Starscream looks good next to leader Prime. Unfortunately scale is a mess with TF's.

In alt mode, Starscream doesn't look as good. Too small to be in scale.

I would get leader Starscream. He is one of the highlights of the movie lines.

I really meant to say in robot mode but I guess I forgot to say that . But anyway, I'll get him, but I really want a leader Prime first (yeah, that's right, the movie obsessed one doesn't have a leader Prime or leader anything). I guess I'll also get the ROTF voyager Ironhide since that mold seems more in-scale with the other Autobots...even though he's that stupid gray color, but he has cool weapons that could be of use on the DOTM version.
I'm even considering Battle Ops Bumblebee since I'm actually a huge movie Bumblebee fan (I know, something's wrong with me) but I'm not sure if he's worth the money or not.

you're the reason we dont get nice things...maybe the reason we do get nice things. im not sure if i want to hurt you for liking movie bumblebee or love you for buying the movie toys that finance some of the newer molds that generations and rts have been getting lol

yeah hes in scale
hes taller than optimus

ShardFenix wrote:you're the reason we dont get nice things...maybe the reason we do get nice things. im not sure if i want to hurt you for liking movie bumblebee or love you for buying the movie toys that finance some of the newer molds that generations and rts have been getting lol

Why am I reason we don't get nice things? I spent forty f*****g dollars today on a leader class Optimus Prime, and last week I bought Battle in Space. And before that I bought Spec. Ops Jazz, Recon Ironhide, Bludgeon, Generations WFC Bumblebee, HFTD voyager Fallen, and legends Ravage. So I'm hurting the products? Screw TF then! I'm going back to Lego and Star Wars.
And why is it such a problem that I love Bumblebee? What the hell has he done that makes him so evil?
And thank you for recognizing that the movie stuff does actually facilitate the other lines...which is why boycotting the crap would be a bad idea. I'm looking at YOU RADICAL GEEWUNNERS!!

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:you're the reason we dont get nice things...maybe the reason we do get nice things. im not sure if i want to hurt you for liking movie bumblebee or love you for buying the movie toys that finance some of the newer molds that generations and rts have been getting lol

Why am I reason we don't get nice things? I spent forty f*****g dollars today on a leader class Optimus Prime, and last week I bought Battle in Space. And before that I bought Spec. Ops Jazz, Recon Ironhide, Bludgeon, Generations WFC Bumblebee, HFTD voyager Fallen, and legends Ravage. So I'm hurting the products? Screw TF then! I'm going back to Lego and Star Wars.
And why is it such a problem that I love Bumblebee? What the hell has he done that makes him so evil?
And thank you for recognizing that the movie stuff does actually facilitate the other lines...which is why boycotting the crap would be a bad idea. I'm looking at YOU RADICAL GEEWUNNERS!!

Lol at first i was like, ugh he didnt read the whole thing. now i have to explain every part of it. But im glad you got the jokes. And the problem isnt that you love bumblebee, its that the kids do too. I personally have no issue with movie toys, except DotM, they suck. Actually i dont remember the first movie being good either...anyways RotF was awesome. But we have had more bumblebee molds than i can think of, havent people bought enough? lol Like why cant they make this many Shockwave molds? or sideswipe molds? or blackout molds?...eh forget i said blackout, they did do tons of remolds and repaint from him lol. Im just tired of seeing yellow and black is all haha

ShardFenix wrote:you're the reason we dont get nice things...maybe the reason we do get nice things. im not sure if i want to hurt you for liking movie bumblebee or love you for buying the movie toys that finance some of the newer molds that generations and rts have been getting lol

Don't be so silly. Battle Opps Bumblebee is a great figure if you actually look at it unless and get past the "Another Bumblebee??" thing. It's better that they release GOOD Bumblebee figures like Opps than trashy ones.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:you're the reason we dont get nice things...maybe the reason we do get nice things. im not sure if i want to hurt you for liking movie bumblebee or love you for buying the movie toys that finance some of the newer molds that generations and rts have been getting lol

Don't be so silly. Battle Opps Bumblebee is a great figure if you actually look at it unless and get past the "Another Bumblebee??" thing. It's better that they release GOOD Bumblebee figures like Opps than trashy ones.

Im going to have to respectfully disagree here...i just dont like movie bumblebee

Leader Starscream is not in scale with the 1st movie leader Megatron. Starscream is quite a bit taller. ROTF Megatron is a better match next to Leader Starscream.

Even so, Leader Starscream is the way to go. So much better.

ROARBO wrote:yeah hes in scale
hes taller than optimus

Not if you fold his legs in like they're supposed to be.

I'm going to preface this by saying that Leader RotF Starscream is one of my favorite figures (of the ones I own). So I would recommend getting him regardless.

Anyway, as far as scale goes, you have to pick between alt mode and robot mode as some people have said already. Leader Starscream in robot mode is in great scale with ROTF Leader Prime and ROTF Leader Megatron (and Battle Blade BB if you're curious) when their all in robot mode.

However, once you go to alt mode, things get fishy. Whoever says there's no size changing in the TF movies can eat my hat. Leader Starscream is too big to be in scale with any of these figures (or they're too big). However, he looks just fine in alt mode alongside ROTF Voyager BB OP and I'm assuming DOTM Voyager Megatron (and deluxe Ironhide). However, there isn't really a Bumblebee that's in scale with Leader Starscream unless you count a Legends class, which is probably too small.

Hope that helps. Sorry for the wall of text-scale is something I think about a lot when I'm choosing figures to buy. I actually spent time today doing some calculations using a size comparison chart to figure out which figures are in scale (not for this topic though).

ShardFenix wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:you're the reason we dont get nice things...maybe the reason we do get nice things. im not sure if i want to hurt you for liking movie bumblebee or love you for buying the movie toys that finance some of the newer molds that generations and rts have been getting lol

Why am I reason we don't get nice things? I spent forty f*****g dollars today on a leader class Optimus Prime, and last week I bought Battle in Space. And before that I bought Spec. Ops Jazz, Recon Ironhide, Bludgeon, Generations WFC Bumblebee, HFTD voyager Fallen, and legends Ravage. So I'm hurting the products? Screw TF then! I'm going back to Lego and Star Wars.
And why is it such a problem that I love Bumblebee? What the hell has he done that makes him so evil?
And thank you for recognizing that the movie stuff does actually facilitate the other lines...which is why boycotting the crap would be a bad idea. I'm looking at YOU RADICAL GEEWUNNERS!!

Lol at first i was like, ugh he didnt read the whole thing. now i have to explain every part of it. But im glad you got the jokes. And the problem isnt that you love bumblebee, its that the kids do too. I personally have no issue with movie toys, except DotM, they suck. Actually i dont remember the first movie being good either...anyways RotF was awesome. But we have had more bumblebee molds than i can think of, havent people bought enough? lol Like why cant they make this many Shockwave molds? or sideswipe molds? or blackout molds?...eh forget i said blackout, they did do tons of remolds and repaint from him lol. Im just tired of seeing yellow and black is all haha

About what I put in bold: Why is it a problem the kids like Bee? If they like him, let them buy him. It helps fund the rest of the line. I've personally bought 8 total movie Bumblebees, and I'm happy with all of them. If Bumblebee makes TF money, then there can be 30 molds of him for all I care.
I'd also like to add that mostly all the DOTM figures are awesome. The Optimuses weren't all that great to me at first, but they're starting to grow on me. Yes, I am going to buy the horrid voyager.

I think the biggest issue people have with the flood of Bumblebees is that it takes away from the availability of other figures. Not only are there fewer molds of other figures, but they ship Bumblebees in the cases more often than the other characters, which means there are often a bunch of BB and nothing else on shelves. And there's no space for anything else so the store won't order another case...At least that's how I see it.

ubertenorman wrote:I think the biggest issue people have with the flood of Bumblebees is that it takes away from the availability of other figures. Not only are there fewer molds of other figures, but they ship Bumblebees in the cases more often than the other characters, which means there are often a bunch of BB and nothing else on shelves. And there's no space for anything else so the store won't order another case...At least that's how I see it.

Hmm...I suppose there's truth to that, but in my situation most of the kids and fans up here buy up the Bees pretty quickly.
Unfortunately that's the only character that sells in my area, leaving a ton of crap to rot for weeks to a month to several months in stores.
Seriously, the HFTD deluxe Bumblebee was sold out in a matter of several weeks, but the entire remainder of wave 1 has been shelfwarming/pegwarming since then, minus WFC Optimus Prime and legends Ravage. No one even wants Ironhide for Primus' sake!

lol all the good stuff here sells out fast. bumblebee just pegwarms. Its terrible. Like I could probably go buy 3 battleblades bumblebees right now if i wanted too. And It sucks seeing no other figures unless you get lucky. I mean it took 2 months to find a terradive.

ShardFenix wrote:lol all the good stuff here sells out fast. bumblebee just pegwarms. Its terrible. Like I could probably go buy 3 battleblades bumblebees right now if i wanted too. And It sucks seeing no other figures unless you get lucky. I mean it took 2 months to find a terradive.

Yes, I had to wait for December until Terradrive showed up, but I wasn't impressed when I saw him in person.
Now he's the only effing thing we have followed by Tomahawk, Electrostatic Jolt, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Hubcap, Seaspray, and Night Ops Ratchet...or whatever the slag he's called. That's literally all you'll find of the mainstream line.
I doubt my area will receive any Reveal the Shield for a while. These stores just ordered waaaay too much of wave 1 thinking it would all be sold out in September.