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It will be nice to let several other car manufacturers in next time. Rather than just limit it to GM, plus a few Ford.

The more the merrier.

Auto Bot wrote:Imagine what could have been a a big come-back of the new Beetle.

They don't even have to pour development cost for a new concept car model.

New Beetle stigma = chick car.

No self respecing robot that is a seasoned warrior would pick that car. Old Bumblebee = beetle because he was the :kid" of the group. New Bumblebee = old warrior who has seen alot of death, he would'nt be a beetle at all.

The new design for Bumblebee is better suited for what he is now in my opinion.

Auto Bot wrote:I think it's a big lost marketing opportunity for VW. I wonder if they fired the one who made this epic-blunder decision. Unless it's the boss who made it.

(Regardless whether Bay will even consider the bug or not)

TF may be a war movie. But BB is on the good side. What's more, they belong to the Autobot race/faction that DISLIKES war.

So BB would actually be on the VW side. Fits very nicely into their supposed "anti-war" policy.

It's a corporate decision by the big bosses (CEOs and Boards of Directors) for a number of the German and Italian car companies, not just VW. They want nothing to do with war.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I think it's a big lost marketing opportunity for VW. I wonder if they fired the one who made this epic-blunder decision. Unless it's the boss who made it.

(Regardless whether Bay will even consider the bug or not)

TF may be a war movie. But BB is on the good side. What's more, they belong to the Autobot race/faction that DISLIKES war.

So BB would actually be on the VW side. Fits very nicely into their supposed "anti-war" policy.

It's a corporate decision by the big bosses (CEOs and Boards of Directors) for a number of the German and Italian car companies, not just VW. They want nothing to do with war.

Whoa! Like Audi, Benz, Ferrari, Lambo... ???
Now that sucks!

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I think it's a big lost marketing opportunity for VW. I wonder if they fired the one who made this epic-blunder decision. Unless it's the boss who made it.

(Regardless whether Bay will even consider the bug or not)

TF may be a war movie. But BB is on the good side. What's more, they belong to the Autobot race/faction that DISLIKES war.

So BB would actually be on the VW side. Fits very nicely into their supposed "anti-war" policy.

It's a corporate decision by the big bosses (CEOs and Boards of Directors) for a number of the German and Italian car companies, not just VW. They want nothing to do with war.

Whoa! Like Audi, Benz, Ferrari, Lambo... ???
Now that sucks!

From what I understand, all but Ferrari, yes. And Ferrari is under exclusive licensing contract with Mattel from what I hear. But don't quote me on that last bit.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I think it's a big lost marketing opportunity for VW. I wonder if they fired the one who made this epic-blunder decision. Unless it's the boss who made it.

(Regardless whether Bay will even consider the bug or not)

TF may be a war movie. But BB is on the good side. What's more, they belong to the Autobot race/faction that DISLIKES war.

So BB would actually be on the VW side. Fits very nicely into their supposed "anti-war" policy.

It's a corporate decision by the big bosses (CEOs and Boards of Directors) for a number of the German and Italian car companies, not just VW. They want nothing to do with war.

Whoa! Like Audi, Benz, Ferrari, Lambo... ???
Now that sucks!

From what I understand, all but Ferrari, yes. And Ferrari is under exclusive licensing contract with Mattel from what I hear. But don't quote me on that last bit.

Isn't Mattel making war toys too? I saw that in Toysoldiers movie. Did i get the title right?

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I think it's a big lost marketing opportunity for VW. I wonder if they fired the one who made this epic-blunder decision. Unless it's the boss who made it.

(Regardless whether Bay will even consider the bug or not)

TF may be a war movie. But BB is on the good side. What's more, they belong to the Autobot race/faction that DISLIKES war.

So BB would actually be on the VW side. Fits very nicely into their supposed "anti-war" policy.

It's a corporate decision by the big bosses (CEOs and Boards of Directors) for a number of the German and Italian car companies, not just VW. They want nothing to do with war.

Whoa! Like Audi, Benz, Ferrari, Lambo... ???
Now that sucks!

From what I understand, all but Ferrari, yes. And Ferrari is under exclusive licensing contract with Mattel from what I hear. But don't quote me on that last bit.

Isn't Mattel making war toys too? I saw that in Toysoldiers movie. Did i get the title right?

That was like ten years ago. Mattel aint doing squat except saying "can we have our toys back please""

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I think it's a big lost marketing opportunity for VW. I wonder if they fired the one who made this epic-blunder decision. Unless it's the boss who made it.

(Regardless whether Bay will even consider the bug or not)

TF may be a war movie. But BB is on the good side. What's more, they belong to the Autobot race/faction that DISLIKES war.

So BB would actually be on the VW side. Fits very nicely into their supposed "anti-war" policy.

It's a corporate decision by the big bosses (CEOs and Boards of Directors) for a number of the German and Italian car companies, not just VW. They want nothing to do with war.

Whoa! Like Audi, Benz, Ferrari, Lambo... ???
Now that sucks!

From what I understand, all but Ferrari, yes. And Ferrari is under exclusive licensing contract with Mattel from what I hear. But don't quote me on that last bit.

Isn't Mattel making war toys too? I saw that in Toysoldiers movie. Did i get the title right?

That was like ten years ago. Mattel aint doing squat except saying "can we have our toys back please""

Besides, Ferrari isn't part of that particular coalition. IT's the only one that I know of that isn't worried about "war toys".

Personally, I don't agree with VWs decision. Why wouldn't you want to be asscociated with a heroic character? I could understand not wanting to be associated with the villains, but to not want to be associated with a heoroic character makes no sense to me. But, it's their call.

Tramp wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:I think it's a big lost marketing opportunity for VW. I wonder if they fired the one who made this epic-blunder decision. Unless it's the boss who made it.

(Regardless whether Bay will even consider the bug or not)

TF may be a war movie. But BB is on the good side. What's more, they belong to the Autobot race/faction that DISLIKES war.

So BB would actually be on the VW side. Fits very nicely into their supposed "anti-war" policy.

It's a corporate decision by the big bosses (CEOs and Boards of Directors) for a number of the German and Italian car companies, not just VW. They want nothing to do with war.

Whoa! Like Audi, Benz, Ferrari, Lambo... ???
Now that sucks!

From what I understand, all but Ferrari, yes. And Ferrari is under exclusive licensing contract with Mattel from what I hear. But don't quote me on that last bit.

Isn't Mattel making war toys too? I saw that in Toysoldiers movie. Did i get the title right?

That was like ten years ago. Mattel aint doing squat except saying "can we have our toys back please""

Besides, Ferrari isn't part of that particular coalition. IT's the only one that I know of that isn't worried about "war toys".

Personally, I don't agree with VWs decision. Why wouldn't you want to be asscociated with a heroic character? I could understand not wanting to be associated with the villains, but to not want to be associated with a heoroic character makes no sense to me. But, it's their call.

These European can brands shouldn't be in James Bond movies.

Why not? Especially since James Bond is filmed and pretty much based in England and usually most of Europe.

Because James Bond films deals with war and violence. Since these European companies are so self-righteous as to deny the TF franchise to use their products, purportedly because TF is a war movie. Then they should not get involved with James Bond films. To show consistency in their company policy.

It may be more to do with the fact that James Bond isnt war as such with mass damage and collateral damage to life.
Sure it happens in the odd movie but usually its just a case of blowing up a baddie hideout where everyone in it is already pure evil...or something like that.

Auto Bot wrote:Because James Bond films deals with war and violence. Since these European companies are so self-righteous as to deny the TF franchise to use their products, purportedly because TF is a war movie. Then they should not get involved with James Bond films. To show consistency in their company policy.

Transformers probably burned so many potential deals with automakers based solely on G1. Most of the cars were unlicensed cars and so now automakers could be telling them to go stick it. I'm willing to bet the sequal will still only have cars from one big umbrella company like gm so that the rights arent all divided up between 4-5 carmakers.

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Because James Bond films deals with war and violence. Since these European companies are so self-righteous as to deny the TF franchise to use their products, purportedly because TF is a war movie. Then they should not get involved with James Bond films. To show consistency in their company policy.

Transformers probably burned so many potential deals with automakers based solely on G1. Most of the cars were unlicensed cars and so now automakers could be telling them to go stick it. I'm willing to bet the sequal will still only have cars from one big umbrella company like gm so that the rights arent all divided up between 4-5 carmakers.

But it's the Japanese who first copied the cars without license.
Hasbro merely borrowed the toys to be Transformers.

Auto Bot wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Because James Bond films deals with war and violence. Since these European companies are so self-righteous as to deny the TF franchise to use their products, purportedly because TF is a war movie. Then they should not get involved with James Bond films. To show consistency in their company policy.

Transformers probably burned so many potential deals with automakers based solely on G1. Most of the cars were unlicensed cars and so now automakers could be telling them to go stick it. I'm willing to bet the sequal will still only have cars from one big umbrella company like gm so that the rights arent all divided up between 4-5 carmakers.

But it's the Japanese who first copied the cars without license.
Hasbro merely borrowed the toys to be Transformers.

People dont look at where it started, people see who benefited most.

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Because James Bond films deals with war and violence. Since these European companies are so self-righteous as to deny the TF franchise to use their products, purportedly because TF is a war movie. Then they should not get involved with James Bond films. To show consistency in their company policy.

Transformers probably burned so many potential deals with automakers based solely on G1. Most of the cars were unlicensed cars and so now automakers could be telling them to go stick it. I'm willing to bet the sequal will still only have cars from one big umbrella company like gm so that the rights arent all divided up between 4-5 carmakers.

But it's the Japanese who first copied the cars without license.
Hasbro merely borrowed the toys to be Transformers.

People dont look at where it started, people see who benefited most.

Is this issue for real? The unlicensed thingy. And automakers getting back.

Auto Bot wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Because James Bond films deals with war and violence. Since these European companies are so self-righteous as to deny the TF franchise to use their products, purportedly because TF is a war movie. Then they should not get involved with James Bond films. To show consistency in their company policy.

Transformers probably burned so many potential deals with automakers based solely on G1. Most of the cars were unlicensed cars and so now automakers could be telling them to go stick it. I'm willing to bet the sequal will still only have cars from one big umbrella company like gm so that the rights arent all divided up between 4-5 carmakers.

But it's the Japanese who first copied the cars without license.
Hasbro merely borrowed the toys to be Transformers.

People dont look at where it started, people see who benefited most.

Is this issue for real? The unlicensed thingy. And automakers getting back.

I don't know, but it doesnt seem that far fetched given the circumstances.

Fananga wrote:I dont think there was anything on VW's part. I mean surely they would have had to Ok the appearance of the Beetle that Bumblebee trashed.
Thing that bothers me is the fact that alot of the charachters were named due to their vehicle forms.
Prowl is a cop car, Ratchet an Ambulance, Inferno a fire engine etc.
Hook, Hoist, Astrotrain, Mixmaster, Seaspray (do they even have sea's on Cybertron?)

Bumblebee has that name because of what he was. A beetle. a VW 'Bug' and now the film tries to fob it off as some Mohammed Ali reference.

along with those weird names what about bonecrusher there all robots they don't have bones

point is that Bumblebee was a Bug and should have stayed that way to be true to paying homage to the cartoon. I was pissed with the camaro thing at first. I've grown to like it now, but the bug would have been nice to see, even if only for a while near the beginning to say that he was one at one point.

Bumblebee had a great sense of knowing his Camaros. Was it just odd coincidence that he started out as an old classic Camaro and then by chance came across a new camaro uknowingly? How often you come across that? LOL! jk of course. It's just a movie, but I'm just saying...

Versa wrote:point is that Bumblebee was a Bug and should have stayed that way to be true to paying homage to the cartoon. I was pissed with the camaro thing at first. I've grown to like it now, but the bug would have been nice to see, even if only for a while near the beginning to say that he was one at one point.

Bumblebee had a great sense of knowing his Camaros. Was it just odd coincidence that he started out as an old classic Camaro and then by chance came across a new camaro uknowingly? How often you come across that? LOL! jk of course. It's just a movie, but I'm just saying...

Well, while a Beetle may have been nice, neither Michael Bay nor VW would have gone for it. VW is the reason why the Classics Bumblebee wasn't a Bug. That combined with Michael Bay's hatred for Herbie the Love Bug ensured that movie Bumblebee would not be a VW Beetle.

although unfortunate, Volkswagon does have direct ties to Adolf Hitler. Germany is still trying to live down the events of WWII. it sucks but i can kinda see where VW is coming from.

here's a bit of history on VW

http://www.volkswagenspares.com/page.php?page=history

armandez wrote:What gets me is not the content necessarily, it's the utter lack of attention to spelling and grammaticar.

Please tell me that was deliberate..!

VonSchlitzy wrote:although unfortunate, Volkswagon does have direct ties to Adolf Hitler. Germany is still trying to live down the events of WWII. it sucks but i can kinda see where VW is coming from.

here's a bit of history on VW

http://www.volkswagenspares.com/page.php?page=history

does seem a bit odd, trying to hide their past ties to WW2, i mean you dont see companies like Messerschmidt (sp) moving away from war vehicles, they still produce military choppers today.

Im not saying we should keep harking back to VW's (and the Beetle in particular) ties to Adolf Hitler, but it does seem a bit hypocritical to say no to war machines when the vehicle in question originated as a war machine

glitched9700 wrote:along with those weird names what about bonecrusher there all robots they don't have bones

Well you just proved my point.
Cybertronians dont have bones. They may have a skeletal form but it isnt made of Bone so why would they come up with a name like Bonecrusher?
It was a name designed to sound intimidating on Earth (though werent the Constructicons made there?) and since he was a heavy construction vehicle it fit.

Versa wrote:point is that Bumblebee was a Bug and should have stayed that way to be true to paying homage to the cartoon. I was pissed with the camaro thing at first. I've grown to like it now, but the bug would have been nice to see, even if only for a while near the beginning to say that he was one at one point.

Bumblebee had a great sense of knowing his Camaros. Was it just odd coincidence that he started out as an old classic Camaro and then by chance came across a new camaro uknowingly? How often you come across that? LOL! jk of course. It's just a movie, but I'm just saying...

And to think there's only one Camaro Concept in the world out in the streets for test drive.

What a coincidence! The test drive is even only scheduled for one day only!

One in a quinzillion gazillion chance?