The Energon Pub

I heer yoo liek vampires?

u herd rite.

i nose mai stuff

we shud hang out. cuz i kno mai vampires too. And they don't sparkle.

wat no lost bois luv rob low eww sparkles.

Dude 'Cry Little Sister' was awesome. Plus the Corey's man. And Kiefer Sutherland. He even tried to kill the good guys in 24 hours.

donald > keifer

donald is the best vampire ever. he's lived for a million years, bucked all the hot broads, and still looks better than smelly robby patterson.

Donald Sutherland was also Buffy's first Watcher. ZOMG Double life!

man you know something, ireland invented the modern vampire

YOURE WELCOME

Ireland invented Christopher Lee? Well thank you then. Hammer House had some of the best vampire movies ever.

we still hold the patent so dont you dare try making your own christoper lee

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:To be honest I was thinking of old school supes before the power inflate.

So you're talking about Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman and Earth 2 Superman right? The guys that could push planets out of orbit and freeze oceans with their frost breath, etc.? .

No I was thinking about the 1930s origional. Superman's original powers mainly consisted of enhanced strength, speed, senses and durability. When introduced in 1938, he was considerably weaker than even the Modern Era Superman. Superman was only strong enough to lift a support beam or lift a car with only one hand. He was only fast enough to pass an express train. He couldn't fly, he could only make powerful leaps. He could only withstand bullets and smaller artillery.

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Dream on Twitard. The Twilight vampires aren't killers. They're not strong for vampires and I could name dozens of real vampires that could take them down.

I don't acutally like twilight, the characters are over-powered and one dimensional, Blade though kind of flat is a much better character. that said objective analysis of their respective power levels means Blade gets lunch boxed.

If your whole argument is name calling, and " D'Hur twilight suks, Blade Kix ass" you lose


edit: the granddad in lost boys was the best part of the movie.

Our Christopher Lee kinda sucked anyway. He had a fencing lightsaber and got beheaded. He also wasn't even a vampire.

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:To be honest I was thinking of old school supes before the power inflate.

So you're talking about Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman and Earth 2 Superman right? The guys that could push planets out of orbit and freeze oceans with their frost breath, etc.? .

No I was thinking about the 1930s origional. Superman's original powers mainly consisted of enhanced strength, speed, senses and durability. When introduced in 1938, he was considerably weaker than even the Modern Era Superman. Superman was only strong enough to lift a support beam or lift a car with only one hand. He was only fast enough to pass an express train. He couldn't fly, he could only make powerful leaps. He could only withstand bullets and smaller artillery.

Wrong. That Superman was Earth 2 Superman. And modern Superman is nowhere near as powerful as Earth 1 Superman.

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Dream on Twitard. The Twilight vampires aren't killers. They're not strong for vampires and I could name dozens of real vampires that could take them down.

I don't acutally like twilight, the characters are over-powered and one dimensional, Blade though kind of flat is a much better character. that said objective analysis of their respective power levels means Blade gets lunch boxed.

If your whole argument is name calling, and " D'Hur twilight suks, Blade Kix ass" you lose

My arguement is that Twilight vampires are under-powered for vampires. Their level of strength, speed, endurance, etc. is lower than average vampires. And most elder vampires do inherit special skills and traits. Blade is immune to vampires detecting him, he's stronger and faster than Twilight vampires. My argument lies in fact, whereas yours lies in 'Hurr durr I've never read a comic book in my life so I'm speculating and saing the new flavor of the month is better.'

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:To be honest I was thinking of old school supes before the power inflate.

So you're talking about Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman and Earth 2 Superman right? The guys that could push planets out of orbit and freeze oceans with their frost breath, etc.? .

No I was thinking about the 1930s origional. Superman's original powers mainly consisted of enhanced strength, speed, senses and durability. When introduced in 1938, he was considerably weaker than even the Modern Era Superman. Superman was only strong enough to lift a support beam or lift a car with only one hand. He was only fast enough to pass an express train. He couldn't fly, he could only make powerful leaps. He could only withstand bullets and smaller artillery.

Wrong. That Superman was Earth 2 Superman. And modern Superman is nowhere near as powerful as Earth 1 Superman..

I dont want to get in the middle of this but....just how was he wrong.

He said he wasnt talking about Earth 1 Supes.

He said he was talking about the Superman of the 1930's.

And that Superman was far weeker then both Supermans 1 and 2.

And , despite what Wiki pedia might say, the 1938n Superman isint exactly Earth 2 Superman.

The 1938 Superman could not fly.

But the earth 2 Superman could.

Earth 2 Supoerman was more of a mix of the 1938n Superman and the earth 1 Superman.

Read Earth 2 Superman's power set Sto. You'll see how he's wrong. Earth 2 Superman can fly. And he got stronger then he originally was. In the 1950s/1960s DC decided to bring back the original Superman and most of the original heroes and dub their Earth, Earth 2. The Flashes found each other and that's how it started. But Earth 2 Superman got stronger then he was originally. And he's the same character as he was in '38.

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:To be honest I was thinking of old school supes before the power inflate.

So you're talking about Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman and Earth 2 Superman right? The guys that could push planets out of orbit and freeze oceans with their frost breath, etc.? .

No I was thinking about the 1930s origional. Superman's original powers mainly consisted of enhanced strength, speed, senses and durability. When introduced in 1938, he was considerably weaker than even the Modern Era Superman. Superman was only strong enough to lift a support beam or lift a car with only one hand. He was only fast enough to pass an express train. He couldn't fly, he could only make powerful leaps. He could only withstand bullets and smaller artillery.

Wrong. That Superman was Earth 2 Superman. And modern Superman is nowhere near as powerful as Earth 1 Superman.

you realize I am talking about the 1938 comics and not the current retcon right? when they were written there was no such thing as earth 2.

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Dream on Twitard. The Twilight vampires aren't killers. They're not strong for vampires and I could name dozens of real vampires that could take them down.

I don't acutally like twilight, the characters are over-powered and one dimensional, Blade though kind of flat is a much better character. that said objective analysis of their respective power levels means Blade gets lunch boxed.

If your whole argument is name calling, and " D'Hur twilight suks, Blade Kix ass" you lose

My arguement is that Twilight vampires are under-powered for vampires. Their level of strength, speed, endurance, etc. is lower than average vampires. And most elder vampires do inherit special skills and traits. Blade is immune to vampires detecting him, he's stronger and faster than Twilight vampires. My argument lies in fact, whereas yours lies in 'Hurr durr I've never read a comic book in my life so I'm speculating and saing the new flavor of the month is better.'

I will say it again, I do not like twilight. I don't particarly dislike it, on the whole I am rather indiffernt to it. But I have read the books and I know what their power level is. Blade just could not stand up to them because they are not Blade style vampires.

The danny ketch ghost rider, based on the penance stare, could but that is a mystical thing not physical.

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Read Earth 2 Superman's power set Sto. You'll see how he's wrong. Earth 2 Superman can fly. And he got stronger then he originally was. In the 1950s/1960s DC decided to bring back the original Superman and most of the original heroes and dub their Earth, Earth 2. The Flashes found each other and that's how it started. But Earth 2 Superman got stronger then he was originally. And he's the same character as he was in '38.

Those are all retcons done to the character to help explain the differences for us long time fans.

But "kjyl"'s not wrong with what he was saying.

The 1938 Superman, the original version of the character, as he was originally written, and the original concept was put together....that character was far weaker then earth 2 Superman.

Thew original version of the character could not fly, he was far weaker and he wasnt all that fast.

His powers were reflected in his description.

"Faster then a speeding bullet
More powerful then a locomotive
Able to leep tall buildings in a single bound"

The 38' concept of Superman was only faster then a bullet, wasnt much stronger then a train and could only jump real high.

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:To be honest I was thinking of old school supes before the power inflate.

So you're talking about Pre-Crisis Earth 1 Superman and Earth 2 Superman right? The guys that could push planets out of orbit and freeze oceans with their frost breath, etc.? .

No I was thinking about the 1930s origional. Superman's original powers mainly consisted of enhanced strength, speed, senses and durability. When introduced in 1938, he was considerably weaker than even the Modern Era Superman. Superman was only strong enough to lift a support beam or lift a car with only one hand. He was only fast enough to pass an express train. He couldn't fly, he could only make powerful leaps. He could only withstand bullets and smaller artillery.

Wrong. That Superman was Earth 2 Superman. And modern Superman is nowhere near as powerful as Earth 1 Superman.

you realize I am talking about the 1938 comics and not the current retcon right? when they were written there was no such thing as earth 2.

That "current retcon" you're talking about is about 50 years old. Earth 2 Superman is the same Superman as the original Superman. He got more powerful, but less powerful then Earth 1 Superman or Superboy Prime. You can't pick and choose continuity. Deal with it.

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:

kjyl wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Dream on Twitard. The Twilight vampires aren't killers. They're not strong for vampires and I could name dozens of real vampires that could take them down.

I don't acutally like twilight, the characters are over-powered and one dimensional, Blade though kind of flat is a much better character. that said objective analysis of their respective power levels means Blade gets lunch boxed.

If your whole argument is name calling, and " D'Hur twilight suks, Blade Kix ass" you lose

My arguement is that Twilight vampires are under-powered for vampires. Their level of strength, speed, endurance, etc. is lower than average vampires. And most elder vampires do inherit special skills and traits. Blade is immune to vampires detecting him, he's stronger and faster than Twilight vampires. My argument lies in fact, whereas yours lies in 'Hurr durr I've never read a comic book in my life so I'm speculating and saing the new flavor of the month is better.'

I will say it again, I do not like twilight. I don't particarly dislike it, on the whole I am rather indiffernt to it. But I have read the books and I know what their power level is. Blade just could not stand up to them because they are not Blade style vampires.

The danny ketch ghost rider, based on the penance stare, could but that is a mystical thing not physical.

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They're not killers. And they're nowhere near as powerful as the vampires that Blade fights. Blade is a killer. And he'll go out of his way to kill them or find a way to kill them. The vampires in Twilight don't feed off of humans. They drink animal blood. They're not hunters, they're not killers, they're soft.

Even if they were more powerful then the vampires Blade normally faces they are not ready for a serious fight to the death with a Dunpeal. And Dunpeal's are generally more powerful then normal vampires. Especially depending on who their sires were. Blade isn't a normal Dunpeal either. He's a special one that's immune to all the weaknesses of normal vampires, has all of their strengths, and is immune to the senses of other vampires. On top of this Blade has been killing vampires for decades upon decades.

Also Ghost Rider (either of them) would win without the Penance Stare. Ghost Rider (both of them) have Hulk level strength and endurance.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:Read Earth 2 Superman's power set Sto. You'll see how he's wrong. Earth 2 Superman can fly. And he got stronger then he originally was. In the 1950s/1960s DC decided to bring back the original Superman and most of the original heroes and dub their Earth, Earth 2. The Flashes found each other and that's how it started. But Earth 2 Superman got stronger then he was originally. And he's the same character as he was in '38.

Those are all retcons done to the character to help explain the differences for us long time fans.

But "kjyl"'s not wrong with what he was saying.

The 1938 Superman, the original version of the character, as he was originally written, and the original concept was put together....that character was far weaker then earth 2 Superman.

Thew original version of the character could not fly, he was far weaker and he wasnt all that fast.

His powers were reflected in his description.

"Faster then a speeding bullet
More powerful then a locomotive
Able to leep tall buildings in a single bound"

The 38' concept of Superman was only faster then a bullet, wasnt much stronger then a train and could only jump real high.

You don't get to pick and choose your continuity. '38 Superman is Earth 2 Superman. And the character has over 60 years of history.

Loki God Of Mischief wrote:
You don't get to pick and choose your continuity. '38 Superman is Earth 2 Superman. And the character has over 60 years of history.

Do you even read comics or know what your talking abvout???

Thats the very reason why they introduced the retcon in question and the concept of an earth 2 superman.

To pick and chose which stories were part of the continuity.

Simple fact is, no matter what they did in a retcon in the late 60's and have added to in the present day, the original concept of the character was much different then the character he became.

52 was fifty years ago?

the thing you are missing is that the twilight vampires are not marvel-verse vampires. Even though they are weaker then other T-vamps, they are still much stronger then their marvel counterparts. they do not have the weakness of marvel vampires. Even if Dunpeals are stronger then Marvel vamps, they are still weaker then the twilight vamps.

kjyl wrote:52 was fifty years ago?

52 wasnt the starting point of the retconb in question.

The retcon began in the 1960s with the introduction of the Silverage Flash [Barry Allan] and Green Lantern [Hal Jordan].

It was done to explain how the "then" Superman could be meating the Flash for the first time when in fact he already knew the original Flash.

It was also used to explain how Superman, Batman and others could still be in their 30's durring the 70's and 80's but there was still a SUPERMAN, BATMAN IN ww2.

well yeah, but there you have Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, final crisis, and then 52 which is the one that established the 1930 superman as earth 2 supes. not counting the reboots that is the last good continuity.

kjyl wrote:well yeah, but there you have Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, final crisis, and then 52 which is the one that established the 1930 superman as earth 2 supes. not counting the reboots that is the last good continuity.

Thats not all exactly correct.

The entire idea of Earth 2 from the 70's established the idea that the 38 Superman was the earth 2 Superman.

But it wasnt till 52 that they did a better job of explaining the power upgrade.But even with that, there are some differences between the 38 Superman and earth 2 Superman.

Also....52 came out before Final crisis.

Sto I've read the comics. The original intent was to bring back the original characters because they wanted to do crossovers with the current versions and to explain things just as you said. But it was such a success that they decided to make the original characters have their own separate alternate reality. At that point it became continuity. And that was over 50 years ago.