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I think this brings up an interesting point.
1) police supposedly said the toy gun didn't have the orange cap to distinguish it as a toy.
Ah, that orange cap... we TF fans are very familiar with this thing.
Is it really that important? Wouldn't criminals make their gun look like a toy? And wouldn't cops use more ways to decipher a threat than just an orange cap?

2) If someone said to me, you can have your realistic looking Meg, just don't flash it in front of the cops or walk with it in public or you can/deserve to get shot, do you still want a realistic looking Meg, I'd say sure, I'm responsible enough. I've had butterfly knives and switch blades for a long time now, I do understand that they are highly illegal in many places, but I've never gotten in trouble with it, same thing.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090511/ap_on_re_us/us_boy_shot

The police didn't 'supposedly' say the boy pointed the gun at them, the DID say he pointed the gun at them.

F' this kid! He's 15 years old and he points a gun (real or not) at the police? Suicide by Police...friggen idiot.

Natural sellection at its finest. Toy safety laws are in place to protect children not "legally defined minors" from potential accidents. A fifteen year old pointing a perceived weapon at an officer is no different than a thirty year old doing it. In this case, they're blaming the toy because it's easier to blame an object than the person who nearly died because they didn't think. He was doing it to scare people including the cops so they did what they thought they had to.

At least he didn't die. Last thing this jackass should be is a martyr.

Am I the only person that's glad that criminals haven't started putting orange tips on real guns yet?

years ago, when I was 12 and I first got my G1 Megatron (in 1984) I was outside. My friend had my Shackwave, and the ohter my Shockwave (yeah I had both). Well we were playing on my block back in Charlseton SC. I was running around with Megatron in gun mode micus the stock, silencer and scope.

I we were running pretending to shoot each other some cops on horseback were riding by when one cop stopped, and said "please tell me that gun is not real" very hesitantly. I showed him my G1 Megs and he thoought it was real. The first issue of G1 Megs was heavy becuase of the metal, but it had those big decepticon labels on the handle. The cop must of held it for at least a few minutes, then he said, "son please put that toy in the house because we might actually have pulled our guns." He wasn't acting like a jerk, he was talking very cool and quiet. He understood it was fake, but from his view it looked real.

He even explained his firearm to us...after that he became a friend, and the next time he saw me, I was playing qith my purple and gary Shockwaves only.

Some kids these days. My mom lives right between two Cul-de-sacs and as I was leaving her place about a month ago, I pull out of the driveway I see a kid (about 14-15 years old) walking down the street from one cul-de-sac wearing a camo collar-shirt/jacket, backpack, and what looked to be a rifle. It was enough to make me go around the block and back to my mom's house. I described the kid and she told me he was from the development above and usually walks down to the development below every day to play with his friends. Now the kid is a little off, and no threat, but I can't imagine the cops reacting much differently than me.

If I was a Cop, I'd probably do the exact same thing. They have a tough, stressful job, and what if it was a real gun?

When you're a cop and someone points a gun at you, you don't ask them to show it to you up close so you can determine if it's real or not; you just shoot.

Man, I'm glad I live in a country were police don't sport guns...

Mkall wrote:Am I the only person that's glad that criminals haven't started putting orange tips on real guns yet?

Now that you mention it, no, no you're not.

By the way, didn't they mention something almost exactly like this in Die Hard?

I hope the kid gets some mental help because I think he could use it.

When I heard this story I kinda thought about Dallas Winston in the movie The Outsiders.

Reality is much colder, though.

H0rdak wrote:Man, I'm glad I live in a country were police don't sport guns...

What?

Have you been to Etheria lately?

That kid was retarded and they didn't kill him anyway...He just learned a very very harsh lesson...Some idiots need that...

Counterpunch wrote:

H0rdak wrote:Man, I'm glad I live in a country were police don't sport guns...

What?

Have you been to Etheria lately?

Can't remember there actually being any cops on Etheria...

was the boy a moron? yes.
does he deserve to get shot? no, how do you know what he deserves? that's a cruel thing to say period.

the story doesn't add up to me.

police see kid being an idiot with a gun
they would have taken measures that would be noticeable to anyone
that the situation is now escalated.

the boy somehow missed this and ignored it and yet pointed the gun towards the police?????

wmpyr wrote:the story doesn't add up to me.

It does to everyone else.

wmpyr wrote:police see kid being an idiot with a gun
they would have taken measures that would be noticeable to anyone
that the situation is now escalated.

the boy somehow missed this and ignored it and yet pointed the gun towards the police?????

Read the news story. He had what appeared to be a gun, and was ordered to drop it. But he instead pointed it at the police. He pointed a realistic looking toy gun at the police. That is the dumbest thing you can possibly do.

Shadowman wrote:

wmpyr wrote:the story doesn't add up to me.

It does to everyone else.

wmpyr wrote:police see kid being an idiot with a gun
they would have taken measures that would be noticeable to anyone
that the situation is now escalated.

the boy somehow missed this and ignored it and yet pointed the gun towards the police?????

Read the news story. He had what appeared to be a gun, and was ordered to drop it. But he instead pointed it at the police. He pointed a realistic looking toy gun at the police. That is the dumbest thing you can possibly do.

wow that doesn't sound nice

wmpyr wrote:wow that doesn't sound nice

It isn't. When you're a cop, and someone has what appears to be a weapon, and you've told them to drop it, but they instead point it at you, I can guarantee you that no cop is going to say "Hey, can I see that to make sure it's fake?"

The kid got what he deserved if you ask me. Now if the kid was 5 then maybe we could call some stuf into question, but when he's 15 Darwin's theory should have eliminated him.

wmpyr wrote:was the boy a moron? yes.
does he deserve to get shot? no, how do you know what he deserves? that's a cruel thing to say period.

It's pretty clear. The moment that 15 year old turned the firearm on the officer, his life because less valuable than the cop. Make a judgement call, who should die...the man who's job it is to see to the safety and security of the public or a man with an unmasked desire to see harm befall others? The gun was real as far as anyone knew up until the very end of the incident.

wmpyr wrote:the story doesn't add up to me.

wmpyr wrote:police see kid being an idiot with a gun
they would have taken measures that would be noticeable to anyone
that the situation is now escalated.

the boy somehow missed this and ignored it and yet pointed the gun towards the police?????

Doesn't matter one bit. It doesn't matter what the 15 year old thought at all. Not one, single, bit...

The officer fired is gun in the interest of his own preservation against a real threat.

Anyone who has ever taken even a basic firearms safety course is told two things:

ONE: NEVER point it at something you don't intend to shoot.

TWO: Keep your finger out of the trigger well until it's time to shoot.

Sensible human beings operate by these rules. I've never pointed a gun at someone or some paper target I didn't intend to blow unnecessarily large holes in. Kid broke rules of common sense. Is that a harsh way of delivering the lesson, especially as he's not alive to be wiser for the experience? Sure, but guess what? Some things you do NOT mess around with.

I've had cops pull me over and when they run my license plate and my concealed-carry pops up, they do the whole 'kneel on the pavement with your hands behind your head' schtick. Silly, but I don't really blame them. Ups my street cred, yo.

As to putting something orange on my gun to make it look like a toy, that will never happen. Two reasons:

For serious gun owners who actually go to ranges and practice their aim, anything that will change the balance of the gun is a no-go. And painting it is a problem because barrels heat up and paints can flake or chip and interfere with the action.

For non-serious gun owners, ie, the idiots who buy chromed out D'Eagles and fire them sideways, they would rather die than have their substitute-penis mistaken for a toy.

HK, size doesn't matter: stopping power does.

hellkitty wrote:Anyone who has ever taken even a basic firearms safety course is told two things:

ONE: NEVER point it at something you don't intend to shoot.

TWO: Keep your finger out of the trigger well until it's time to shoot.

Sensible human beings operate by these rules. I've never pointed a gun at someone or some paper target I didn't intend to blow unnecessarily large holes in. Kid broke rules of common sense. Is that a harsh way of delivering the lesson, especially as he's not alive to be wiser for the experience? Sure, but guess what? Some things you do NOT mess around with.

I've had cops pull me over and when they run my license plate and my concealed-carry pops up, they do the whole 'kneel on the pavement with your hands behind your head' schtick. Silly, but I don't really blame them. Ups my street cred, yo.

As to putting something orange on my gun to make it look like a toy, that will never happen. Two reasons:

For serious gun owners who actually go to ranges and practice their aim, anything that will change the balance of the gun is a no-go. And painting it is a problem because barrels heat up and paints can flake or chip and interfere with the action.

For non-serious gun owners, ie, the idiots who buy chromed out D'Eagles and fire them sideways, they would rather die than have their substitute-penis mistaken for a toy.

HK, size doesn't matter: stopping power does.

::HK Levels up::

Good post.

While I would not say that anyone deserves to get shot, this kid had it coming. Police are usually pretty good at making their intentions known to people. ex- yelling orders more than once. If this kid didn't do what they told him to, they have every right to put him down.