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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:OptimusN1701 wrote:Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Nothing good comes from a Tramp war. either side stays at an impass, usually somewhere around the ultimate guide & MTMTE #8, & those stubborn enough to try to argue with him end up feeling like they died a little inside.Liege Evilmus wrote:Aw dam, I missed another TRAMP war![]()
Now that its over a feel great. Congrats gentlemen, it appears we have wonat least for now.
'Today the guns are silent. A great tragedy has ended... we have known the bitterness of defeat and the exultation of triumph, and from both we have learned there can be no going back. We must move forward to preserve in peace what we've won in war.' "
OptimusN1701 wrote:Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Nothing good comes from a Tramp war. either side stays at an impass, usually somewhere around the ultimate guide & MTMTE #8, & those stubborn enough to try to argue with him end up feeling like they died a little inside.Liege Evilmus wrote:Aw dam, I missed another TRAMP war :sad:
Now that its over a feel great. Congrats gentlemen, it appears we have won :DANCE: at least for now.
With all of this fighting going I just remembered that I really didnt get to put my spin on the whole TF realities in so here goes
G1 cartoon (minus rebirth, I throw it to the wayside) > BW (with marvel concepts added in, like Primus) then I also throw out BM considering it to be synonymous with something else BM stands for :-P
G1 Japanese
G1 Marvel comics > G2 comics
Armada > Energon (Cybertron is way too inconsistent with the other two for my taste)
RID
Dreamwave
Dreamwave sub continuities i.e. Armada/Energn book G.I. Joe
Devil's due
IDW
As far as Universe, Cyber-Kun's explanation takes the words right out of my mouth
Tramp wrote:No Damolisher, HolY Scripture is the Bible. Ask your local priest or preacher what that means. It's the difference between a god, and "God". between a lord and "The Lord". "Holy Sripture" is The Holy Bible.
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OptimusN1701 wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:OptimusN1701 wrote:Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Nothing good comes from a Tramp war. either side stays at an impass, usually somewhere around the ultimate guide & MTMTE #8, & those stubborn enough to try to argue with him end up feeling like they died a little inside.Liege Evilmus wrote:Aw dam, I missed another TRAMP war![]()
Now that its over a feel great. Congrats gentlemen, it appears we have wonat least for now.
'Today the guns are silent. A great tragedy has ended... we have known the bitterness of defeat and the exultation of triumph, and from both we have learned there can be no going back. We must move forward to preserve in peace what we've won in war.' "
Very poetic where is that from?
PrimeNumber wrote:As for the difference between god and God, the lowercase god denotes a "false" or "lesser important" divine being ... while a capitol G means the one you believe in.
PrimeNumber wrote:Tramp wrote:No Damolisher, HolY Scripture is the Bible. Ask your local priest or preacher what that means. It's the difference between a god, and "God". between a lord and "The Lord". "Holy Sripture" is The Holy Bible.
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Tramp,
As an ordained minister and a man holding a Doctorate of Divinity, you are completely wrong. Holy Scripture doesn't have to be the Bible, it is any religious text - it's the same with Sacred Scripture, it is used to denote a texts religious revelation from a God or God(s).
As for the difference between god and God, the lowercase god denotes a "false" or "lesser important" divine being ... while a capitol G means the one you believe in.
And, as for Lord, the word is always capitalized if it is a title, even if it is not referring to the Judea-Christian G-d. In face, if you were referencing G-d, it would be LORD, not Lord. Because Lord is used as a religious title in Paganism, and Dark Lord (also capitalized) is a title for the concept of Satan.
But back to Holy Scripture, the Transformers universe has a set of texts/videos/etc which are the basis of its "religion" ... so yes, we could say that the G1 Cartoon/Beast Wars/Beast Machines is one set of Holy Scripture for the Transformers. Just because something else or someone else writes something in that universe does not make it a part of scripture.
You use the Bible to your defense, but there are hundreds of thousands of books written about Jesus, not just the 4 Gospels, but some people do not take them as "cannon" (my church includes the Gnostic Gospels), but they met the criteria you set forth, so why are they not included?
Or better yet, why isn't the Book of Mormon cannon to all Christians? I mean, a lot of people believe it and is stated as fact ... so why isn't it "Jesus Cannon."
MTMTE is not cannon because it wasn't written by the authors/creators of the specific universes. I can write a book about Jesus, people could follow it and I could say it is a fact, but that doesn't make it so.
Now, I may not be the authority on Transformers here (but I like to think I know some things), but I'll be damned if you chose to argue religion with me.
I think it was more of the fact that he did it in excess. & as someone else pointed out earlier, if someone proved him wrong, he'd just twist things around to make him seem right again. You should have seen his thread about what soundwave should be in TF2. Soundwave had to be a CD player, & the biggest big-ass boombox possible...he couldn't be anything else because then he wouldn't be Soundwave. He had to himself sneak into whatever place he needed to, undetected, as a big-ass boombox. His minions couldn't do any of the spy work for themselves, yet he still needed them. he couldn't be a military comm truck sitting outside while his minions snuck in & did the spy work themselves, because a truck outside would stick out like a sore thumb. & he had to be a music player, because that's where the name "Sound" comes from...couldn't be possibly referring to radar & sonar capabities, or sound-based weaponry....it had to be for music.Unicron's Head wrote:Ok, I didn't read every single page of this thread and maybe I should have, nor am I intimately familiar with board posting etiquete or the Tramp war previously mentioned (this is my first time reading any of Tramp's posts...at least I think), but...what did I miss here? This guy-Tramp-is banned for discussing and arguing with everyone's opinions? Does that mean if I disagree with someone else, anyone else on here, and hold to my opinions, I'm going to get booted if it's not in the majority? Was he following you around and harassing you or what? That I could TOTALLY understand but I've gotta be missing something here, because it seems like he just kept going on and on (and I will admit, at great and steadfast length) about whatever the hell it was he felt was yay and nay in Transformers. Whether he had his head up his end or was way off base, why did he get booted off the whole realm of wonderfulness that is thee Seibertron? That seems, I don't know, extreme. Makes me want to think twice before trying to point out what I feel might be truth to some other random member. Please, I don't seek to pick apart or insult or point any fingers, I just don't get it. This must've been an ongoing issue or something.
OptimusN1701 wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:OptimusN1701 wrote:Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Nothing good comes from a Tramp war. either side stays at an impass, usually somewhere around the ultimate guide & MTMTE #8, & those stubborn enough to try to argue with him end up feeling like they died a little inside.Liege Evilmus wrote:Aw dam, I missed another TRAMP war![]()
Now that its over a feel great. Congrats gentlemen, it appears we have wonat least for now.
'Today the guns are silent. A great tragedy has ended... we have known the bitterness of defeat and the exultation of triumph, and from both we have learned there can be no going back. We must move forward to preserve in peace what we've won in war.' "
Very poetic where is that from?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
PrimeNumber wrote:Tramp wrote:No Damolisher, HolY Scripture is the Bible. Ask your local priest or preacher what that means. It's the difference between a god, and "God". between a lord and "The Lord". "Holy Sripture" is The Holy Bible.
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Tramp,
As an ordained minister and a man holding a Doctorate of Divinity, you are completely wrong. Holy Scripture doesn't have to be the Bible, it is any religious text - it's the same with Sacred Scripture, it is used to denote a texts religious revelation from a God or God(s).
As for the difference between god and God, the lowercase god denotes a "false" or "lesser important" divine being ... while a capitol G means the one you believe in.
And, as for Lord, the word is always capitalized if it is a title, even if it is not referring to the Judea-Christian G-d. In face, if you were referencing G-d, it would be LORD, not Lord. Because Lord is used as a religious title in Paganism, and Dark Lord (also capitalized) is a title for the concept of Satan.
But back to Holy Scripture, the Transformers universe has a set of texts/videos/etc which are the basis of its "religion" ... so yes, we could say that the G1 Cartoon/Beast Wars/Beast Machines is one set of Holy Scripture for the Transformers. Just because something else or someone else writes something in that universe does not make it a part of scripture.
You use the Bible to your defense, but there are hundreds of thousands of books written about Jesus, not just the 4 Gospels, but some people do not take them as "cannon" (my church includes the Gnostic Gospels), but they met the criteria you set forth, so why are they not included?
Or better yet, why isn't the Book of Mormon cannon to all Christians? I mean, a lot of people believe it and is stated as fact ... so why isn't it "Jesus Cannon."
MTMTE is not cannon because it wasn't written by the authors/creators of the specific universes. I can write a book about Jesus, people could follow it and I could say it is a fact, but that doesn't make it so.
Now, I may not be the authority on Transformers here (but I like to think I know some things), but I'll be damned if you chose to argue religion with me.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:PrimeNumber wrote:Tramp wrote:No Damolisher, HolY Scripture is the Bible. Ask your local priest or preacher what that means. It's the difference between a god, and "God". between a lord and "The Lord". "Holy Sripture" is The Holy Bible.
.
Tramp,
As an ordained minister and a man holding a Doctorate of Divinity, you are completely wrong. Holy Scripture doesn't have to be the Bible, it is any religious text - it's the same with Sacred Scripture, it is used to denote a texts religious revelation from a God or God(s).
As for the difference between god and God, the lowercase god denotes a "false" or "lesser important" divine being ... while a capitol G means the one you believe in.
And, as for Lord, the word is always capitalized if it is a title, even if it is not referring to the Judea-Christian G-d. In face, if you were referencing G-d, it would be LORD, not Lord. Because Lord is used as a religious title in Paganism, and Dark Lord (also capitalized) is a title for the concept of Satan.
But back to Holy Scripture, the Transformers universe has a set of texts/videos/etc which are the basis of its "religion" ... so yes, we could say that the G1 Cartoon/Beast Wars/Beast Machines is one set of Holy Scripture for the Transformers. Just because something else or someone else writes something in that universe does not make it a part of scripture.
You use the Bible to your defense, but there are hundreds of thousands of books written about Jesus, not just the 4 Gospels, but some people do not take them as "cannon" (my church includes the Gnostic Gospels), but they met the criteria you set forth, so why are they not included?
Or better yet, why isn't the Book of Mormon cannon to all Christians? I mean, a lot of people believe it and is stated as fact ... so why isn't it "Jesus Cannon."
MTMTE is not cannon because it wasn't written by the authors/creators of the specific universes. I can write a book about Jesus, people could follow it and I could say it is a fact, but that doesn't make it so.
Now, I may not be the authority on Transformers here (but I like to think I know some things), but I'll be damned if you chose to argue religion with me.
Where were you when we needed you in the battle agaisnt Tramp
OptimusN1701 wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:PrimeNumber wrote:Tramp wrote:No Damolisher, HolY Scripture is the Bible. Ask your local priest or preacher what that means. It's the difference between a god, and "God". between a lord and "The Lord". "Holy Sripture" is The Holy Bible.
.
Tramp,
As an ordained minister and a man holding a Doctorate of Divinity, you are completely wrong. Holy Scripture doesn't have to be the Bible, it is any religious text - it's the same with Sacred Scripture, it is used to denote a texts religious revelation from a God or God(s).
As for the difference between god and God, the lowercase god denotes a "false" or "lesser important" divine being ... while a capitol G means the one you believe in.
And, as for Lord, the word is always capitalized if it is a title, even if it is not referring to the Judea-Christian G-d. In face, if you were referencing G-d, it would be LORD, not Lord. Because Lord is used as a religious title in Paganism, and Dark Lord (also capitalized) is a title for the concept of Satan.
But back to Holy Scripture, the Transformers universe has a set of texts/videos/etc which are the basis of its "religion" ... so yes, we could say that the G1 Cartoon/Beast Wars/Beast Machines is one set of Holy Scripture for the Transformers. Just because something else or someone else writes something in that universe does not make it a part of scripture.
You use the Bible to your defense, but there are hundreds of thousands of books written about Jesus, not just the 4 Gospels, but some people do not take them as "cannon" (my church includes the Gnostic Gospels), but they met the criteria you set forth, so why are they not included?
Or better yet, why isn't the Book of Mormon cannon to all Christians? I mean, a lot of people believe it and is stated as fact ... so why isn't it "Jesus Cannon."
MTMTE is not cannon because it wasn't written by the authors/creators of the specific universes. I can write a book about Jesus, people could follow it and I could say it is a fact, but that doesn't make it so.
Now, I may not be the authority on Transformers here (but I like to think I know some things), but I'll be damned if you chose to argue religion with me.
Where were you when we needed you in the battle agaisnt Tramp
I think its better that we didnt drag a man of the cloth into that battle
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Cyber-Kun wrote:Damn, if I knew people were going to quote me, I wish I spelled that paragraph better...
OptimusN1701 wrote:Cyber-Kun wrote:Damn, if I knew people were going to quote me, I wish I spelled that paragraph better...
It is not the spelling of the words that matters, but the meaning they carry that is important
PrimeNumber wrote:Sorry I entered late, I was on vacation - everyone needs a break every now and again. If I had known this was a Tramp battle, I would have come sooner ... he has irritated me since he first argued that all the Transformer universes are connected. But, as long as I can do my part, I'm here.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:PrimeNumber wrote:Sorry I entered late, I was on vacation - everyone needs a break every now and again. If I had known this was a Tramp battle, I would have come sooner ... he has irritated me since he first argued that all the Transformer universes are connected. But, as long as I can do my part, I'm here.
Its good your here...we need all the warriors we can get in this war........but a vacation from Seibertron, shame on you
PrimeNumber wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:PrimeNumber wrote:Sorry I entered late, I was on vacation - everyone needs a break every now and again. If I had known this was a Tramp battle, I would have come sooner ... he has irritated me since he first argued that all the Transformer universes are connected. But, as long as I can do my part, I'm here.
Its good your here...we need all the warriors we can get in this war........but a vacation from Seibertron, shame on you
LOL, I know know the errors of my ways.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
PrimeNumber wrote:Sorry I entered late, I was on vacation - everyone needs a break every now and again. If I had known this was a Tramp battle, I would have come sooner ... he has irritated me since he first argued that all the Transformer universes are connected. But, as long as I can do my part, I'm here.
Damolisher wrote: I want to see Hot Rod and Arcee doing it!.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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