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by **Source Grimlock** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:07 am

Shadowman wrote:No...well, yes, that's actually a possible method, but not the only one. It's something of a recurring theme that demons are not strictly evil, (Sparda, Trish, Dante, etc.) nor are humans strictly good. (Arkham, Arius, etc.) So a demon born from a rotting soul can only work by contradicting everything they've ever said regarded demonic morality. On the flip side, it's never explicitly stated how a traditional demon comes to be, though Mundus was born in the Demon World, and was not human to begin with.

So we are agreed that this can cause someone to be a demon.

Sanctus was evil, yes, but not strictly a demon. He, along with the rest of the Order of the Sword, were Ascended, basically human-demon hybrids, artificial versions of Dante and Vergil. And even then, that doesn't make one evil, since once Credo realized what was really going on, he decided to start fighting for the good guys.

We're also agreed that, Sanctus at least wasn't fully human.

Yes, of course, no one is denying that. But it also disproves Dante's "no killing humans" rule, which he only ever stated once, in the anime of all places.

See my above comment.

Well then it shouldn't have been brought up. It's not my fault people don't check their facts.

You're the one who brought up Sanctus and Arius.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:31 pm

Source Grimlock wrote:
Shadowman wrote:No...well, yes, that's actually a possible method, but not the only one. It's something of a recurring theme that demons are not strictly evil, (Sparda, Trish, Dante, etc.) nor are humans strictly good. (Arkham, Arius, etc.) So a demon born from a rotting soul can only work by contradicting everything they've ever said regarded demonic morality. On the flip side, it's never explicitly stated how a traditional demon comes to be, though Mundus was born in the Demon World, and was not human to begin with.

So we are agreed that this can cause someone to be a demon.

Yes, but it's not so simple as just letting your soul rot. Arkham required human sacrifice, and the Order of the Sword required the Ascension Ceremony. They had to put a lot of effort into that.

Source Grimlock wrote:
Sanctus was evil, yes, but not strictly a demon. He, along with the rest of the Order of the Sword, were Ascended, basically human-demon hybrids, artificial versions of Dante and Vergil. And even then, that doesn't make one evil, since once Credo realized what was really going on, he decided to start fighting for the good guys.

We're also agreed that, Sanctus at least wasn't fully human.

He was when Dante shot him, which is the point I was trying to make.

Source Grimlock wrote:
Well then it shouldn't have been brought up. It's not my fault people don't check their facts.

You're the one who brought up Sanctus and Arius.

Only in response to someone else saying Dante doesn't kill humans.