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I've always like the idea of transformers but I never found them very realistic. Assuming Robots could have intelligence and be alive and all that I just never thought of the transformations as very realistic until seeing the movie. The effects in the movie were so remarkable that it changed my outlook on the whole idea of transformers.

I see them as far more advanced than I had previously thought of them. I always seen them as clunky and bulky figures who lumbered around as huge clumsy robots and used the vehicle mode as a disguise, but more so as a form of traveling.

However after seeing the movie I see them as acrobatic and powerfull. I had never thought about them having physical shielding, which the movie suggests and that's why only certain weapons damage them and they don't get their paint jobs scratched up. Seeing them transforming and leaping around was incredible.

Scanning vehicles to gain their vehicle modes as opposed to needing to be totaly rebuilt in order to gain a new form was also a changing point in my TF universe. I can see how they're so versatile that they can assume different vehicle shapes should they want to. When Bumblebee changed to a newer vehicle and Frenzy assumed different shapes based on the mass he had left after being damaged. I can see the transformers actually being able to switch into different vehicles to continue to disguise themselves.

For instance a TF could escape from a scene and scan a new target then assume that shape after turning a corner or darting out of sight and switching to a new vehicle and hiding in a parking lot or changing to a different vehicle and speeding onto the highway to lose a persuer.

So my question is just as the title says, did the movie change anyone elses perception of the Transformers Universe? If so how did it do so?

adamantNEO wrote:So my question is just as the title says, did the movie change anyone elses perception of the Transformers Universe? If so how did it do so?

I didn't liked the movie much cos of the differences with G1. To answer your question I'll say NO.

It did on me.

I was used to having a perception that the Transformers are "rectangularistic", due to G1 appearances in the old 80's series.

But with this movie so good, with all the robots being more realistic in appearance, blended with their environments, and having emotional relations with humans (funny, sad, wise, disgusting, intimidating, etc), my views on the Transformers suddenly changed.

When I heard about the Transformers, I always position my mind for this Bay's masterpiece.

Once, I saw a Mitsubishi pick-up truck on the streets, and this was what I thought:
"How if this pick-up truck become Ironhide's brother?"

The effects killed my eyes if that counts.

It did for me. I heard about Bay's previous movies and kinda knew they weren't that great, but saw the movie. And damn it was awesome cept for the whole love crap but thats in movies all over nowadays.

Bots needed more action and less bench time. So glad it did not turn out like G1, annoying when people compare the movie to G1. Not even the same. Same names, different story, different universe, different characetistics and whole new approach.

But now for the action figures..well meh I wont get into it, not the correct forum for movie toy disussion.

The movie showed me that you could make Transformers look real and work well in a live action movie.

I've always like the idea of transformers but I never found them very realistic. Assuming Robots could have intelligence and be alive and all that I just never thought of the transformations as very realistic until seeing the movie. The effects in the movie were so remarkable that it changed my outlook on the whole idea of transformers. I see them as far more advanced than I had previously thought of them. I always seen them as clunky and bulky figures who lumbered around as huge clumsy robots and used the vehicle mode as a disguise, but more so as a form of traveling.

You thought a cartoon was unrealistic? Get outta here.

However after seeing the movie I see them as acrobatic and powerfull. I had never thought about them having physical shielding, which the movie suggests and that's why only certain weapons damage them and they don't get their paint jobs scratched up. Seeing them transforming and leaping around was incredible.

In the original cartoon and most series afterwards, shots kinda just bounced off them.

Scanning vehicles to gain their vehicle modes as opposed to needing to be totaly rebuilt in order to gain a new form was also a changing point in my TF universe. I can see how they're so versatile that they can assume different vehicle shapes should they want to. When Bumblebee changed to a newer vehicle and Frenzy assumed different shapes based on the mass he had left after being damaged. I can see the transformers actually being able to switch into different vehicles to continue to disguise themselves.

Umm, thats how TF's have always got their forms, by scanning. You think Bay came up with that?

For instance a TF could escape from a scene and scan a new target then assume that shape after turning a corner or darting out of sight and switching to a new vehicle and hiding in a parking lot or changing to a different vehicle and speeding onto the highway to lose a persuer.

Maybe a human persuer. But not another TF. Both BB and Barricade knew who each other were prior to transforming as well as Ironhide and Ratchet knew that Starscream was the F22 that the Air Force thought was their bird.

So my question is just as the title says, did the movie change anyone elses perception of the Transformers Universe? If so how did it do so?

It showed me that you can take something old and make it knew without having P. Diddy in charge of it

I would say that the movie was a definite plus for the world of Transformers. When Blackout made his first transformation in the film, I almost wet my pants. It was friggin' awesome to see Transformers come alive on the big screen. Did it change my view of Transformers? Yes, it definitely made me happy to see Transformers taken to 'summer blockbuster' level and, in doing so, succeeding quite well. My only disappointment was in Megatron's alt mode; if all of the other Transformers could quickly scan and take on a new more "Earth" like form, why didn't Megatron do the same?

First Gen wrote:You thought a cartoon was unrealistic? Get outta here.

I just meant that I never thought the transformations would be possible and it was the one thing that made the suspension of reality difficult for me and the movie changed that for me.

In the original cartoon and most series afterwards, shots kinda just bounced off them.

I haven't seen the cartoons or comics in years but I don't recall any of the TF being imune to human weapons... *shrug* I thought that was new to the movie, it was certainly something I hadn't noticed before.

Umm, thats how TF's have always got their forms, by scanning. You think Bay came up with that?

I didn't really give any thought to who came up with the idea.... in the original G1 cartoon from what I remember some sort of droid thing from the arc is what did the scanning not the individual Transformers. I knew the information was scanned off that area's vehicles or creatures or what have you. I just hadn't seen the actual characters do it themselves.

It showed me that you can take something old and make it knew without having P. Diddy in charge of it

Even if you hated the movie everyone should be thankfull for that! Speaking of P Diddy, why is he so mean to the Burger King guy? It's unreasonable for that man to have to get up at that hour to get P Diddy some fast food, and then P Diddy isn't even gratefull...

i used to only be into "organic" TFs like beast wars, until i saw the movie and really appreciated the whole robotic-transformation concept.

adamantNEO wrote:

First Gen wrote:You thought a cartoon was unrealistic? Get outta here.

I just meant that I never thought the transformations would be possible and it was the one thing that made the suspension of reality difficult for me and the movie changed that for me.

In the original cartoon and most series afterwards, shots kinda just bounced off them.

I haven't seen the cartoons or comics in years but I don't recall any of the TF being imune to human weapons... *shrug* I thought that was new to the movie, it was certainly something I hadn't noticed before.

Umm, thats how TF's have always got their forms, by scanning. You think Bay came up with that?

I didn't really give any thought to who came up with the idea.... in the original G1 cartoon from what I remember some sort of droid thing from the arc is what did the scanning not the individual Transformers. I knew the information was scanned off that area's vehicles or creatures or what have you. I just hadn't seen the actual characters do it themselves.

It showed me that you can take something old and make it knew without having P. Diddy in charge of it

Even if you hated the movie everyone should be thankfull for that! Speaking of P Diddy, why is he so mean to the Burger King guy? It's unreasonable for that man to have to get up at that hour to get P Diddy some fast food, and then P Diddy isn't even gratefull...

To me, the reason I love the TF's is because of the seperation from reality that it created. I mean, alien robots that are not AI but actual robotic/organic type beings with extreme intellect and technology way beyond that of man, thats wayyyyyy out there.

The movie brought a new light to an old twist thats both refreshing and awesome. A new lineage in TF's in both story and image.

And P Diddy is a a**hole. Dont believe the hype on MTV about him giving back and all that. Doesnt change his jerk status.

Plus his music blows.

First Gen wrote:The movie brought a new light to an old twist thats both refreshing and awesome. A new lineage in TF's in both story and image.

That's it exactly, I liked the TF before the movie but there were parts of the movie that absolutely altered my perception of the whole TF universe. That's not to say that some of the comics and cartoons didn't change my perceptions of them but the movie was (in my eyes) so different than the stuff I was acustomed to that it has altered my vision forever.

For instance something in the comics that changed my initial thoughts on the TF was an old comic set on cybertron. Some behemoth Decepticon was running the world, or a good portion of it, and the fight wasn't holding off the bad guys it was just surviving and hoping to carry on. This little yellow Bumblebee type character who I think transformed into a disc shaped thing was sneaking through the base desperate to escape and find the bit of info they were seeking. He was so frightened and horrified by what he seen inside this fortress it was so human.

Up to then I thought of the Transformers as these almost emotionless robots that weren't brave, it was simply their programing to fight. I never thought of them as being capable of fear and pain. This little yellow guy in the comic though came across as so terrified, and when he was injured they really showed his anguish and pain... I've never seen their fights as so dull since that comic.

I remember when the Predacons attacked Megatron in this swampy area in the comics and he gets his face ripped away. His face is such a perfect mixture of shock, pain, and horror that I realized he's not a mindless murdering powerhungry killing thing. He was just as capable as anyone else of reaching his limit emotionally. He was for lack of a better term "human" and he put his blaster on one screw at a time like everyone else.

Everyone was betraying him, everyone wanted his power, he thought Prime was alive... it was the first time I ever recall sympathizing with that character. The next time was in the animated movie when Unicron has his way with him. He's certainly the villain of the story but I was able to relate to him a bit more after that.

First Gen wrote:And P Diddy is a a**hole. Dont believe the hype on MTV about him giving back and all that. Doesnt change his jerk status.

Plus his music blows.

I don't want to turn this into an "I hate the P.Diddy" thread but I could go on for a long spell on how much this guy erks me. I understand liking a song and wanting to put your touch on it but you don't get to put out a whole album that's essentially cover songs of other good songs and then pretend you've done something genuinely artistic and original. YOU LEAVE THOSE SONGS ALONG P DIDDY, YOU LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!

The movie personally helped make everything seem a lot more realistic to me too and for the same reasons adamantNEO stated. I'm better able to see it in my mind's eye.

one thing changed. when Transformers comes on DVD... I'm gonna put slow motion on my dvd player in the transformers fight scenes. definitely.

The Unicron Singularity wrote:one thing changed. when Transformers comes on DVD... I'm gonna put slow motion on my dvd player in the transformers fight scenes. definitely.

that's why i'm getting it!

The movie made me more excited about Transformers, even made me go out and buy more G1 figs, weird eh? I think it was just the fact that another rendition of Transformers was coming out that I was actually excited about.

After Beast Wars and Beast Machines ended, I was pretty sad to see the next series' of TF toons come out, the movie brought me right back in, along with Beast Wars dvds (and a job to buy more toys)

And yes, seeing detailed transformations is defiantly key. I'd be happy with anything, but after seeing scenes such as Bumblebee transforming after Sector 7 vehicles show up, i wouldn't want it any other way. You can just see where everything goes, and it's very cool.

fanboy999 wrote:I would say that the movie was a definite plus for the world of Transformers. When Blackout made his first transformation in the film, I almost wet my pants. It was friggin' awesome to see Transformers come alive on the big screen. Did it change my view of Transformers? Yes, it definitely made me happy to see Transformers taken to 'summer blockbuster' level and, in doing so, succeeding quite well. My only disappointment was in Megatron's alt mode; if all of the other Transformers could quickly scan and take on a new more "Earth" like form, why didn't Megatron do the same?

Yeah I have to admit I was wondering the same thing about Megatron not scanning anything on Earth.

I guess he was freaking out about the All-Spark and taking over the galaxy (remember he did have that power hungry side to him heh) so he kept his jet form because it was fast and got him to where he needed to go.

I thought it was cool that they at least had has arm cannon form a few times when he shot Jazz and Prime

Edited for negativity.

Yours AK

Of course! After the movie, my whole view on life changed. Everything starting looking up and I wanted to live again, I smiled more, and I found myself with an uncontrollable craving for Mountain Dew.