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I'm definitely not interested in this.

So does this MP Snarl come with a really big pair of moon boots for MP Grimlock to wear in robot mode.

This is getting ridiculous. I don't need the other Four Dinobots bigger than Grimlock.

The only way I'd buy this MP Snarl is if it cost around $90. This might actually cost around $180.

Agamemnon wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote: Wow that is huge !

Why, thank you! Oh, you meant the Dino-bot. I quite agree! There almost needs to be a new Grimlock to scale well with these. Yikes!

And all I can really think is

What dino-bot ?

Autobot Genocide wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote: Wow that is huge !

Why, thank you! Oh, you meant the Dino-bot. I quite agree! There almost needs to be a new Grimlock to scale well with these. Yikes!

And all I can really think is

What dino-bot ?

I've seen bigger.

But seriously, this thing is awesome, and a full set of Dinobots by these guys would look stunning on a shelf.

So are we going to see another company show up with an MP Sludge?

I'm still going to wait for FT to release theirs next year, because for some strange reason, I really like my Transformers to have feet

So now we have MP scale figures that are the size of Cabbage Patch kids dolls. What's next ? An Omega Supreme the size of a small child just so it scales with MP-10 ??? This is why Im sticking with classics scale...

daimchoc wrote:

Such a big bot but they couldn't give you more shoulder articulation.

Rated X wrote:So now we have MP scale figures that are the size of Cabbage Patch kids dolls. What's next ? An Omega Supreme the size of a small child just so it scales with MP-10 ??? This is why Im sticking with classics scale...

Your living in the past. The older Classics Generations scale is now not nonexistant. Titan Metroplex & the Two 30th leader sized Generations toys have forever increased & changed the scale.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:So now we have MP scale figures that are the size of Cabbage Patch kids dolls. What's next ? An Omega Supreme the size of a small child just so it scales with MP-10 ??? This is why Im sticking with classics scale...

Your living in the past. The older Classics Generations scale is now not nonexistant. Titan Metroplex & the Two 30th leader sized Generations toys have forever increased & changed the scale.

You prefer 1980s G1 toy scale, but im living in the past ? Actually by cartoon standards, hasbros new leader class jetfire is in line with more traditional classics scale. Metroplex is an exception because he would have to be two stories tall to be true classics scale. So making him in G1 toy scale for legends figures made sense for the character. But I never caught on to the barbie doll sized MP scale. I always asked myself, what was the point of making them bigger other than to justify a higher price ? Just about every MP figure COULD have been classics scale and still be crowned with the title masterpiece. What does "masterpiece" mean anyways ? Does it mean big ? Does it mean highly detailed ? Or does it mean both ? I think igear was on to something when they downsized MP prime to scale with classics figures. If they had done the same with the seekers and megatron, things might be different today. A figure doesnt need to be huge to be a "masterpiece". It just needs to be awesome.

Rated X wrote: You prefer 1980s G1 toy scale, but im living in the past ?

I never said this. I want everything newer to be in a competing scale with the AEC,Movie verse,TFA,TFP-BH.

Im curious what your proof is that hasbro reserves stronger plastic for larger figures ? Granted a larger size means more room to work with when adding details, but I believe igear faith leader proved MP molds CAN be made in a smaller scale. The whole idea that something must be big to be crowned the term "masterpiece" is pure opinion. Big figures are cool for a kid to play with, but kind of unrealistic to build a cartoon accurate cast of characters. So exactly how big would an MP Omega Supreme be in comparison to MP-10 ? How about an MP Metroplex ? Its getting to the point where bigger is getting stupid. If the smallest characters keep getting bigger, then where does that leave the biggest characters in terms of scale ? Classics was the last realistic scale to collect a cartoon accurate cast of almost ALL G1 characters. Anything bigger is is nothing more than a coffee table centerpiece.

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Your living in the past. The older Classics Generations scale is now not nonexistant. Titan Metroplex & the Two 30th leader sized Generations toys have forever increased & changed the scale.

You prefer 1980s G1 toy scale, but im living in the past ?

BURN!!!

Rated X wrote:Just about every MP figure COULD have been classics scale and still be crowned with the title masterpiece. What does "masterpiece" mean anyways ? Does it mean big ? Does it mean highly detailed ? Or does it mean both ? I think igear was on to something when they downsized MP prime to scale with classics figures. If they had done the same with the seekers and megatron, things might be different today. A figure doesnt need to be huge to be a "masterpiece". It just needs to be awesome.

I disagree. Generations figures (as that is truly what the line/style has become, what with Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, IDW, etc. designs & characters making their way into the mix) are modern updates to classic characters. Call it neo, or whatever you like. The Masterpiece figures aren't homages - they are meant to be the definitive versions of those original characters.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:The bigger toys are superior,while the smaller toys are inferior. The bigger toys use stronger plastic,more parts pieces,higher sculpt,more complex transformation,higher budget. it requires more time to create the bigger scale TF toys.

The only difference in plastic I've personally observed (or noticed) is between Takara and Hasbro, not between Classics and MP, or big and small.

Rated X wrote:The whole idea that something must be big to be crowned the term "masterpiece" is pure opinion. Big figures are cool for a kid to play with, but kind of unrealistic to build a cartoon accurate cast of characters. So exactly how big would an MP Omega Supreme be in comparison to MP-10 ? How about an MP Metroplex ? Its getting to the point where bigger is getting stupid. If the smallest characters keep getting bigger, then where does that leave the biggest characters in terms of scale ?

It's not about what's "big," it's about what HasTak decided would be the official scale for the Masterpiece line. To get the level of detail and accuracy they wanted, and apparently in conjunction with MP-09, they decided that MP-10 would be about 9-inches tall, and that the scale for the rest of the characters would revolve around that base size. Does that preclude the possibility of an MP-sized Omega Supreme or Metroplex? Probably. But from what I understand, the intention of the relaunch was to make the assemblage of the '84 Ark crew a real possibility, and this scale in no way hinders that.

On your riff about shrinking down figures: sure, iGear could reduce a 12-inch MP-01 to an 8-inch Faith Leader, but that toy suffered from thin plastic, and they assembled it quite crappily. Sure, it served, but I don't think you can argue it was an amazing feat. They sure as hell couldn't do it for Megatron. I highly doubt that iGear would be able to shrink 9-inch MP-10 down to a 6-inch version, with all its gimmicks and complexity.

Rated X wrote:Classics was the last realistic scale to collect a cartoon accurate cast of almost ALL G1 characters. Anything bigger is is nothing more than a coffee table centerpiece.

Classics is NOT cartoon accurate.

And Masterpiece figures are collector's pieces... that's practically the definition of a coffee table centerpiece.

Rated X wrote:Im curious what your proof is that hasbro reserves stronger plastic for larger figures ?

Are you serious? The bigger scale TF toys use thicker plastic than the smaller scale TF toys. so by default the plastic used is stronger.

Rated X wrote:Granted a larger size means more room to work with when adding details, but I believe igear faith leader proved MP molds CAN be made in a smaller scale. The whole idea that something must be big to be crowned the term "masterpiece" is pure opinion. Big figures are cool for a kid to play with, but kind of unrealistic to build a cartoon accurate cast of characters. So exactly how big would an MP Omega Supreme be in comparison to MP-10 ? How about an MP Metroplex ? Its getting to the point where bigger is getting stupid. If the smallest characters keep getting bigger, then where does that leave the biggest characters in terms of scale ? Classics was the last realistic scale to collect a cartoon accurate cast of almost ALL G1 characters. Anything bigger is is nothing more than a coffee table centerpiece.

Your Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder with your TF toys is not healthy.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:Im curious what your proof is that hasbro reserves stronger plastic for larger figures ?

Are you serious? The bigger scale TF toys use thicker plastic than the smaller scale TF toys. so by default the plastic used is stronger.

No, that means you're simply using more plastic.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:Granted a larger size means more room to work with when adding details, but I believe igear faith leader proved MP molds CAN be made in a smaller scale. The whole idea that something must be big to be crowned the term "masterpiece" is pure opinion. Big figures are cool for a kid to play with, but kind of unrealistic to build a cartoon accurate cast of characters. So exactly how big would an MP Omega Supreme be in comparison to MP-10 ? How about an MP Metroplex ? Its getting to the point where bigger is getting stupid. If the smallest characters keep getting bigger, then where does that leave the biggest characters in terms of scale ? Classics was the last realistic scale to collect a cartoon accurate cast of almost ALL G1 characters. Anything bigger is is nothing more than a coffee table centerpiece.

Your Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder with your TF toys is not healthy.

Neither is yours.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:Im curious what your proof is that hasbro reserves stronger plastic for larger figures ?

Are you serious? The bigger scale TF toys use thicker plastic than the smaller scale TF toys. so by default the plastic used is stronger.

Granted a larger size means more room to work with when adding details, but I believe igear faith leader proved MP molds CAN be made in a smaller scale. The whole idea that something must be big to be crowned the term "masterpiece" is pure opinion. Big figures are cool for a kid to play with, but kind of unrealistic to build a cartoon accurate cast of characters. So exactly how big would an MP Omega Supreme be in comparison to MP-10 ? How about an MP Metroplex ? Its getting to the point where bigger is getting stupid. If the smallest characters keep getting bigger, then where does that leave the biggest characters in terms of scale ? Classics was the last realistic scale to collect a cartoon accurate cast of almost ALL G1 characters. Anything bigger is is nothing more than a coffee table centerpiece.

Your Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder with your TF toys is not healthy.[/quote]
Rather than take an easy potshot at you, ill give you a chance to explain exactly what kind of Compulsive disorder I have ? So Im not a big fan of huge figures just for the sake of being huge...does that make me weird ? I associate that size with dolls. I dont mind a huge combiner or baseformer, but a regular character ? Not my thing...

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Your living in the past. The older Classics Generations scale is now not nonexistant. Titan Metroplex & the Two 30th leader sized Generations toys have forever increased & changed the scale.

You prefer 1980s G1 toy scale, but im living in the past ?

BURN!!!

I already explained in other threads. That I like everything newer to be in a competing scale with the AEC,Movie verse,TFA,TFP-BH.

megatronus wrote: I disagree. Generations figures (as that is truly what the line/style has become, what with Beast Wars, Unicron Trilogy, IDW, etc. designs & characters making their way into the mix) are modern updates to classic characters. Call it neo, or whatever you like. The Masterpiece figures aren't homages - they are meant to be the definitive versions of those original characters.

It's not about what's "big," it's about what HasTak decided would be the official scale for the Masterpiece line. To get the level of detail and accuracy they wanted, and apparently in conjunction with MP-09, they decided that MP-10 would be about 9-inches tall, and that the scale for the rest of the characters would revolve around that base size. Does that preclude the possibility of an MP-sized Omega Supreme or Metroplex? Probably. But from what I understand, the intention of the relaunch was to make the assemblage of the '84 Ark crew a real possibility, and this scale in no way hinders that.

On your riff about shrinking down figures: sure, iGear could reduce a 12-inch MP-01 to an 8-inch Faith Leader, but that toy suffered from thin plastic, and they assembled it quite crappily. Sure, it served, but I don't think you can argue it was an amazing feat. They sure as hell couldn't do it for Megatron. I highly doubt that iGear would be able to shrink 9-inch MP-10 down to a 6-inch version, with all its gimmicks and complexity.

I agree with most of the points you made here. As I share similar points of view regarding all of this.

Rated X wrote: ill give you a chance to explain exactly what kind of Compulsive disorder I have ? So Im not a big fan of huge figures just for the sake of being huge...does that make me weird ? I associate that size with dolls. I dont mind a huge combiner or baseformer, but a regular character ? Not my thing...

You have this unhealthy obsession with the Classics Generations toy line. You've put the Classics line on such a high Pedestal & treat it as it's the most superior TF line in existance. You seem to think every newer 3rd party TF toys or MP TF toy needs to be designed to be catered to the needs of classics scale toys on your display shelves.

While most including myself have pointed out to you the 1980's toys or cartoon scale was all over the place & can't be used as a bible for newer classics or 3rd party toys. You seem to be overly obsessed with wanting newer classics,MP & 3rd party toys to match the 1980's cartoon scale. There seems to be no flexibilty here for you.

Things escalate badly with your replies. When you get overly frustrated & bent out of shape. When newer 3rd party or HasTak toys are not being made to conform to classics toys on your display shelves. You seem to get carried away more than others here. Often times your banter comes off as OCD as it's repeating the same points over & over.

I could care less what you collect & how you collect. This is not the issue most including myself have with you. it's how you deliberately try to ruin threads with your over the top rude comments that you know will make most argue with you & fight with others.

I dunno why this thread is about scale all of a sudden. Actually, this MP is meant to have cartoon scale with MP-10 and it seems to do the job nicely. Although MPs are too big for me (I just don't have the space), among other concerns.

I kinda prefer Classics as well, but that is neither here nor there for this thread. Collecting MPs is as valid as collecting classics. There's no need to divide the fandom into "sides."

So this Snarl looks much larger than Fanstoys Slag? looks like it.. hm... interesting. So Fanstoys Slag is not really cartoon accurate?

mooncake623 wrote:So this Snarl looks much larger than Fanstoys Slag? looks like it.. hm... interesting. So Fanstoys Slag is not really cartoon accurate?

Bear in mind, int he cartoon Grimlock is over a head taller than Prime, so MP Grimlock is not really cartoon accurate. FT Slag is nearly accurate to Grimlock (although slightly too large; it comes with parts to prop Grimmy up).

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:So this Snarl looks much larger than Fanstoys Slag? looks like it.. hm... interesting. So Fanstoys Slag is not really cartoon accurate?

Bear in mind, int he cartoon Grimlock is over a head taller than Prime, so MP Grimlock is not really cartoon accurate. FT Slag is nearly accurate to Grimlock (although slightly too large; it comes with parts to prop Grimmy up).

yea but I'm guessing this means no mix matching bwt has/tak grimlock, FT Slag, with GP Snarl, and BF Swoop lol
(not that I plan to do this to begin with)

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I dunno why this thread is about scale all of a sudden. Actually, this MP is meant to have cartoon scale with MP-10 and it seems to do the job nicely. Although MPs are too big for me (I just don't have the space), among other concerns.

I kinda prefer Classics as well, but that is neither here nor there for this thread. Collecting MPs is as valid as collecting classics. There's no need to divide the fandom into "sides."

I think scale is valid topic for the 3P Dinobots. With several companies jumping in the dino arena and the $$$ pot is big when you consider that most collectors are going to want all 4 (5 if they are going to purchase Grimlock). $1000+ for all 5.

Collectors are most likely going to stay with one company for uniform size and style. Not too many people want a Snarl towering over Grimlock, which could happen with mix and matching.

I think the dino size debate is similar to the 3P Devastator size debate - with folks feeling strongly about one or the other.

mooncake623 wrote:So this Snarl looks much larger than Fanstoys Slag? looks like it.. hm... interesting. So Fanstoys Slag is not really cartoon accurate?

Depends on which cartoon episode or comic you are reading.

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:Im curious what your proof is that hasbro reserves stronger plastic for larger figures ?

Are you serious? The bigger scale TF toys use thicker plastic than the smaller scale TF toys. so by default the plastic used is stronger.

No, that means you're simply using more plastic.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Rated X wrote:Granted a larger size means more room to work with when adding details, but I believe igear faith leader proved MP molds CAN be made in a smaller scale. The whole idea that something must be big to be crowned the term "masterpiece" is pure opinion. Big figures are cool for a kid to play with, but kind of unrealistic to build a cartoon accurate cast of characters. So exactly how big would an MP Omega Supreme be in comparison to MP-10 ? How about an MP Metroplex ? Its getting to the point where bigger is getting stupid. If the smallest characters keep getting bigger, then where does that leave the biggest characters in terms of scale ? Classics was the last realistic scale to collect a cartoon accurate cast of almost ALL G1 characters. Anything bigger is is nothing more than a coffee table centerpiece.

Your Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder with your TF toys is not healthy.

Neither is yours.

The thicker plastic on most of HasTaks leader sized & Supreme sized TF toys is stronger. because it use more layers of plastic. than the thinner less layered plastic used on most of HasTaks legends,commanders & deluxe sized TF toys. It is much harder to try to break a piece of plastic on a HasTak leader scale or supreme scale TF toy piece of plastic compared to a smaller scale TF toy plastic. It's just much easier to break a piece of plastic on a legends,commanders or deluxe sized TF compared to a much bigger TF toys plastic.

Trust me,I have less OCD TF issues than most online fans do. The older I get the less I care & the less I buy. The more I get rid of. If I am not playing with something,I'd rather sell it off & make someone else enjoy it more than I can.

I have a few display shelves,I mix & match different TF toy lines on the same shelf. I don't have extreme OCD issues with my TF display shelves. I don't get overly frustrated or bent out of shape when HasTak or 3rd paties don't make newer TF toys to be catered towards my display shelves scale or designs.

I don't set any over the top OCD strict rules for myself in this hobby. That I must follow. Often times I will throw out the rules book,wing it & have no rules.

I set the bar really low for newer HasTak toys,movies,cartoons & comics. This way I won't get overly disappointed.

I try to budget my money wisely. I'm not prepared to spend thousands per year on this hobby,no matter how much money I make at work. I realize they are just pieces of plastic. I realize,Life is short & I have more impotrant things to buy besides toys.

When posting on forums,less is always more. Just because TF toys or whatever don't go your way this doesn't give you the excuse or right to troll the forums with fits of rage & overly obnoxious rude comments. Runnning in & out of threads on all the forums wasting my day venting about TF stuff or whatever not going my way isn't something I care to partake in. Trying to force others & insult them for not buying stuff I like is something I'll never do.