The Energon Pub

MentalDragon wrote:
I guess my question is... If there isn't a B/S/T forum... where does all the Anti-Ebayers get their Transformers?

tfieds.com but you have to start over on feedback. It has its problems as well. Alot of the other tf sites have a buy sale trade forum as well.

I never used the forum, though I did check in on it now and then just to see if there was anything of interest.

What suprised me was the number of members i'd never heard of, most of them had less than a dozen posts.

So yeah, a minimum post requirement and how long they've been joined would encourage people to sign up and join in, become part of the community and get to know everyone else before they can start selling.

The way I see it, there are those who sign up just to sell and that's borderline leeching.

Adding Moderators won't make a difference. How are they going to know whether someone is a bad egg or not?

The other problem is for Ryan himself. If someone were to seriously get ripped off there's nothing stopping them from going after him for providing a place of trade with little to no protection. That alone is enough to justify keeping it closed.

No system is perfect and infaliable. There will always be asholes messing things up for good people. But that doesnt mean we should stop doing what we like to do.

You dont stop buying stuff for you're car because there are people who steal cars right? There need to be rules in place. Feedback should be a priority. maybe make it paypal only. Let paypal deal with bad transactions. And Ryan, you need a LEGAL disclaimer.

Toyotus Superion wrote:No system is perfect and infaliable. There will always be asholes messing things up for good people. But that doesnt mean we should stop doing what we like to do.

You dont stop buying stuff for you're car because there are people who steal cars right? There need to be rules in place. Feedback should be a priority. maybe make it paypal only. Let paypal deal with bad transactions. And Ryan, you need a LEGAL disclaimer.

I agree with you, but its ultimately the site owner's decision and should do what he feels comfortable with. Seeing your avatar reminded me of the fires. I hope all the tf fans in South California are safe.

Some of these suggestions sound really good, and I'm glad it's still a possibility in the future. Like everyone else, I'm sad to see it go, but I definitely understand.

Burn wrote:
Adding Moderators won't make a difference. How are they going to know whether someone is a bad egg or not?

actually it makes for a whole world of difference.

example, if Ryan draws up a stringent set of rules for a new Carbombya per the ideas and suggestions of the members here, the Mods would have to be most vigilant about enforcing this.

here in the Philippines we have a toy trading forum PinoyToyKolektors.com, whose mods are the most rabid bunch of Nazis i've ever seen. for example, newbies in the forum aren't allowed to PM, strict rules regarding bumping threads, autolock in case somebody breaks a rule or 2. but to their credit, it works to keep out scammers. so far we've yet to experience being scammed - the slight hint of a dirty deal and the mods deal with it ASAP.

another thing: if there is a blacklist of offenders, the mods could do an IP scan of every new member that enters here and if their IP address matches one of the blacklisted IPs, then it's automatic ban for them.

mod squads could also work with the mods of the other forums, sharing info on member statistics and whatnot, and trying to determine potential con artists.

no, i am not trying to push for a Dictatorial Mod style, but all i'm saying is that Mods can make a difference and even act as one of the deterrents against scammers.

ultimately, no system is perfect. ever. but with the good suggestions everyone posted here, it can still happen. Carbombya existed for years and i'm pretty sure there are a LOT of good trades over the bad ones, and lots of good feedback. let's look at this break as another way of pooling our thoughts and ideas into making the old system work better, or maybe even completely overhauling the system.

zemper wrote:

Burn wrote:
Adding Moderators won't make a difference. How are they going to know whether someone is a bad egg or not?

actually it makes for a whole world of difference.

example, if Ryan draws up a stringent set of rules for a new Carbombya per the ideas and suggestions of the members here, the Mods would have to be most vigilant about enforcing this.

here in the Philippines we have a toy trading forum PinoyToyKolektors.com, whose mods are the most rabid bunch of Nazis i've ever seen. for example, newbies in the forum aren't allowed to PM, strict rules regarding bumping threads, autolock in case somebody breaks a rule or 2. but to their credit, it works to keep out scammers. so far we've yet to experience being scammed - the slight hint of a dirty deal and the mods deal with it ASAP.

another thing: if there is a blacklist of offenders, the mods could do an IP scan of every new member that enters here and if their IP address matches one of the blacklisted IPs, then it's automatic ban for them.

mod squads could also work with the mods of the other forums, sharing info on member statistics and whatnot, and trying to determine potential con artists.

no, i am not trying to push for a Dictatorial Mod style, but all i'm saying is that Mods can make a difference and even act as one of the deterrents against scammers.

ultimately, no system is perfect. ever. but with the good suggestions everyone posted here, it can still happen. Carbombya existed for years and i'm pretty sure there are a LOT of good trades over the bad ones, and lots of good feedback. let's look at this break as another way of pooling our thoughts and ideas into making the old system work better, or maybe even completely overhauling the system.

Ive ran and modded a couple of forums myself, and the members never complained but they don't like strict mods as much as you think. I had to ban an entire University IP range b/c of a certain user- sucks for anyone that went to school there. I hated being the "bad guy" and left another mod in charge of discipline- I was more of the research and get to the bottom of things mod. Funny thing about PMs- most go into a Database file but cant be read from the mod dashboard. You have to download the file and open it yourself. Just FYI.

FracturedKoi wrote:On a lighter note, just think of all the crap the eBay folk put up with

Indeed so. But here's the point: they have people there whose job is to put up with all that crap. They're a multinational corporation, with tons (I daresay literally) of legal staff to deal with any litigations that may result.

Ryan's got Ryan: a bloke who just happens to run a TF fansite in his spare time (albeit one of, if not the, most successful). He's not:

a) a high-flying legal eagle,
b) a large team of dedicated staff, or indeed
c) getting paid for it.

There may be ways to improve security as regards to BSTs (although there are also probably always going to be ways round them ). The post/duration restriction definitely sound like a good start, but it's gonna take a lot more than that to truly guarantee a safe deal. But if there's a way to cover every angle, I'm pretty sure Ryan will find it... once the rest of his workload eases up.

zemper wrote:

Burn wrote:
Adding Moderators won't make a difference. How are they going to know whether someone is a bad egg or not?

actually it makes for a whole world of difference.

example, if Ryan draws up a stringent set of rules for a new Carbombya per the ideas and suggestions of the members here, the Mods would have to be most vigilant about enforcing this.

here in the Philippines we have a toy trading forum PinoyToyKolektors.com, whose mods are the most rabid bunch of Nazis i've ever seen. for example, newbies in the forum aren't allowed to PM, strict rules regarding bumping threads, autolock in case somebody breaks a rule or 2. but to their credit, it works to keep out scammers. so far we've yet to experience being scammed - the slight hint of a dirty deal and the mods deal with it ASAP.

another thing: if there is a blacklist of offenders, the mods could do an IP scan of every new member that enters here and if their IP address matches one of the blacklisted IPs, then it's automatic ban for them.

mod squads could also work with the mods of the other forums, sharing info on member statistics and whatnot, and trying to determine potential con artists.

no, i am not trying to push for a Dictatorial Mod style, but all i'm saying is that Mods can make a difference and even act as one of the deterrents against scammers.

ultimately, no system is perfect. ever. but with the good suggestions everyone posted here, it can still happen. Carbombya existed for years and i'm pretty sure there are a LOT of good trades over the bad ones, and lots of good feedback. let's look at this break as another way of pooling our thoughts and ideas into making the old system work better, or maybe even completely overhauling the system.

But how are they going to know a person is a con artist?

I've been here four years, have over 20000 posts, people trust me. Yet tomorrow I could turn around and scam someone.

How are Mods going to stop someone like me from doing that?

Make all the rules you want, have as many Mods as you want, at the end of the day though they're not mind readers, they cannot predict who will and will not be a con artist.

All i can say is that, I'm sad to see it go... stupid dumbasses that cheat people..... I had fun times.
bye carbombya.... I loved that name too

This is why disclaimers are a great thing. Other boards use them and they work quite well (otherwise they wouldn't have B/S/T forums either...)

"The dealings are between you and the other person(s). We here at Seibertron are not to be held responsible in any way, shape, or form. Any and all complaints will be logged, but ultimately it is up to the people dealing, to handle all aspects of it. By posting here or using this forum, you hereby acknowledge that you will abide by these rules and honor this agreement. Any misconduct in following this rule could lead to permanent banning. If you agree to this, please click here (enters forum) if not, please click here (returns you to Seibs front page)"

Wordy? Yes. To the point? Yes. Covers their behinds? Yes.

Autobot032 wrote:This is why disclaimers are a great thing. Other boards use them and they work quite well (otherwise they wouldn't have B/S/T forums either...)

"The dealings are between you and the other person(s). We here at Seibertron are not to be held responsible in any way, shape, or form. Any and all complaints will be logged, but ultimately it is up to the people dealing, to handle all aspects of it. By posting here or using this forum, you hereby acknowledge that you will abide by these rules and honor this agreement. Any misconduct in following this rule could lead to permanent banning. If you agree to this, please click here (enters forum) if not, please click here (returns you to Seibs front page)"

Wordy? Yes. To the point? Yes. Covers their behinds? Yes.

I think a nice "Trade at your own risk." in 20 pt font at the top of the forum would solve alot of problems. Then maybe have a wordier explanation right below that.

Legally, Ryan isn't obliged to do anythign at all ... if there's such a disclaimer. He can add things like "I will not go through database records" and "I cannot be held accountable" and things like that. Gotta damit I've never used Carbomya, but I was thinking on it.

But I can well understand not wanting to deal with complaints about soemthing you're doing, basically out of the goodnesss of your heart. It sucks to think you're sttached - even remotely - to someone ripping someone else off.

I just heard about it. Perosnally, I haven't really used it much, but in the last month or so I was in a car wreck that totaled my car, & I had to get a new one, when my finances were already stretched nearly to their limits. I was using Carbombya to sell off some of my extra TFs....stuff I just got to complete a set/line, but never really cared much for, & even though I wasn't getting much out of it, it was helping to get a few small things here & there I wasn't going to be able to afford to make things more comfortable untill I could sort my finances out. I was getting people fairly good deals...usually half of the figure's original retail price....& was trying my best to be a worthwhile seller. I would put my stuff up on ebay, but I've had bad experiences selling there before, usually in putting up stuff that didn't sell & still having to pay fees anyway, & honestly, I can't even think about that possibility right now.

......I just thought some of you bad eggs out there, the scammers & the gullible, would like to know how exactly you've screwed over more people than just the ones you made bad deals with....& thanks again.

& for the record...I completely understand Ryan....you shouldn't have to deal with this sh*t. Nobody should. But from a personal standpoint....I just wish you could have waited awhile longer.....but my problems are not yours, & I don't blame you.

Bummer.

I've accumulated a few TFs thinking I could later trade them if I don't want them. Oh well. No tragedy. I'll hold onto them until carbombya comes back.

Just an inquiry:

I have some TF auctions going up on eBay soon. I was wondering if it would still be acceptable to advertise them in Transformers General Discussion?

Seibertron wrote:

FracturedKoi wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

AlienQuiksilver wrote:I like the (X amount of months) membership requirement most of all.

Any decent post whore can get up to 100 rather quickly.

2 or 3 months of commitment, that's pretty solid.

Mate that with a post amount requirement, and those scalpers who know jack and **** about TF's would be revealed to those paying attention to their posts.

Thats exactly what i was thinking! Now if we can get someone to listen to us!

I agree totally. Also, it may be a good idea to do an age-limit as well. 18+ only. I'm not saying anything negative against out teen population, but, hopefully an adult can handle something in an adult fashion.

(now my rant) Killing off the bst forum is pretty heart-breaking. Moreso than seeing Jazz torn asunder, but I digress. I've never had any negative transactions on there, either buying or selling. It's a great place to tell the fan community about stuff you're wanting to sell to a good home, before breaking down and eBaying it.

Sad to see it go. Hope and a prayer it'll come back....

This is something I would like to implement at some point. An X number of posts requirement and a X number of months requirement I think would cut down on some of the crap. But then again ... I've heard that even some long time members have struggled to live up to their end of the bargain (there was a recent situation just last week involving a long time member) so I'm not sure what to do. It's frustrating, because I would like you guys to have it but you have to look at this thing from my perspective. What legal obligations do I have to protect the members on this site? Maybe I don't have any. I'd rather not have to find out the hard way though by getting dragged into some ludicrous situation that was completely out of my control.

I'm sure the Transtopia integration is of mch higher priority. However, just the hope of a new Carboya is good enough for me. I just do not like using ebay. NOTHING is ever as described. Unlike Carbomya, where I trade with people I know and always get pieces as described.

Hell, make the post requirements extrmely high. I'm sure most would be fine with that. And Mods who just deal with Carbomya would probably help a lot. One of the best trade forums online imo is anandtech's. They have stringent rules that are enforced big time. Their mods are on the ball 24/7 and do an amazing job of notifying the community of any threats AND reporting the IPs of scammers to the authorities.

Also, I do not believe Seibertron.com would have ny liability for a BST forum. It has been a cpl of years since I last took a law class, but I cannot think of how Seib.com could be held accountable. Any Lawyers here who can confirm?

Also, I personally could care less about self promoting Ebay auction ads. I actually make it a point to NOT deal with the people who make those posts as it is almost a sure way of finding overpriced stuff. I'm much more interested in the people selling and trading within the community to promote the community. Besides, I know how to use the search funtion on ebay, thanks a lot.

Bonger wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

FracturedKoi wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

AlienQuiksilver wrote:I like the (X amount of months) membership requirement most of all.

Any decent post whore can get up to 100 rather quickly.

2 or 3 months of commitment, that's pretty solid.

Mate that with a post amount requirement, and those scalpers who know jack and **** about TF's would be revealed to those paying attention to their posts.

Thats exactly what i was thinking! Now if we can get someone to listen to us!

I agree totally. Also, it may be a good idea to do an age-limit as well. 18+ only. I'm not saying anything negative against out teen population, but, hopefully an adult can handle something in an adult fashion.

(now my rant) Killing off the bst forum is pretty heart-breaking. Moreso than seeing Jazz torn asunder, but I digress. I've never had any negative transactions on there, either buying or selling. It's a great place to tell the fan community about stuff you're wanting to sell to a good home, before breaking down and eBaying it.

Sad to see it go. Hope and a prayer it'll come back....

This is something I would like to implement at some point. An X number of posts requirement and a X number of months requirement I think would cut down on some of the crap. But then again ... I've heard that even some long time members have struggled to live up to their end of the bargain (there was a recent situation just last week involving a long time member) so I'm not sure what to do. It's frustrating, because I would like you guys to have it but you have to look at this thing from my perspective. What legal obligations do I have to protect the members on this site? Maybe I don't have any. I'd rather not have to find out the hard way though by getting dragged into some ludicrous situation that was completely out of my control.

I'm sure the Transtopia integration is of mch higher priority. However, just the hope of a new Carboya is good enough for me. I just do not like using ebay. NOTHING is ever as described. Unlike Carbomya, where I trade with people I know and always get pieces as described.

Hell, make the post requirements extrmely high. I'm sure most would be fine with that. And Mods who just deal with Carbomya would probably help a lot. One of the best trade forums online imo is anandtech's. They have stringent rules that are enforced big time. Their mods are on the ball 24/7 and do an amazing job of notifying the community of any threats AND reporting the IPs of scammers to the authorities.

Also, I do not believe Seibertron.com would have ny liability for a BST forum. It has been a cpl of years since I last took a law class, but I cannot think of how Seib.com could be held accountable. Any Lawyers here who can confirm?

Also, I personally could care less about self promoting Ebay auction ads. I actually make it a point to NOT deal with the people who make those posts as it is almost a sure way of finding overpriced stuff. I'm much more interested in the people selling and trading within the community to promote the community. Besides, I know how to use the search funtion on ebay, thanks a lot.

Actually, Seibertron.com wouldnt be held liable for the transactions themselves, but could be forced to hand over IP addresses and other info deemed vital. Heck, they could force Ryan to sit in court for a couple days to provide some sort of testimony...it sucks, but it happens. I can ask my friend who is a lawyer in Miami, but Im pretty sure they can drag Ryan into court to provide info.

Xgamer wrote:

Bonger wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

FracturedKoi wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

AlienQuiksilver wrote:I like the (X amount of months) membership requirement most of all.

Any decent post whore can get up to 100 rather quickly.

2 or 3 months of commitment, that's pretty solid.

Mate that with a post amount requirement, and those scalpers who know jack and **** about TF's would be revealed to those paying attention to their posts.

Thats exactly what i was thinking! Now if we can get someone to listen to us!

I agree totally. Also, it may be a good idea to do an age-limit as well. 18+ only. I'm not saying anything negative against out teen population, but, hopefully an adult can handle something in an adult fashion.

(now my rant) Killing off the bst forum is pretty heart-breaking. Moreso than seeing Jazz torn asunder, but I digress. I've never had any negative transactions on there, either buying or selling. It's a great place to tell the fan community about stuff you're wanting to sell to a good home, before breaking down and eBaying it.

Sad to see it go. Hope and a prayer it'll come back....

This is something I would like to implement at some point. An X number of posts requirement and a X number of months requirement I think would cut down on some of the crap. But then again ... I've heard that even some long time members have struggled to live up to their end of the bargain (there was a recent situation just last week involving a long time member) so I'm not sure what to do. It's frustrating, because I would like you guys to have it but you have to look at this thing from my perspective. What legal obligations do I have to protect the members on this site? Maybe I don't have any. I'd rather not have to find out the hard way though by getting dragged into some ludicrous situation that was completely out of my control.

I'm sure the Transtopia integration is of mch higher priority. However, just the hope of a new Carboya is good enough for me. I just do not like using ebay. NOTHING is ever as described. Unlike Carbomya, where I trade with people I know and always get pieces as described.

Hell, make the post requirements extrmely high. I'm sure most would be fine with that. And Mods who just deal with Carbomya would probably help a lot. One of the best trade forums online imo is anandtech's. They have stringent rules that are enforced big time. Their mods are on the ball 24/7 and do an amazing job of notifying the community of any threats AND reporting the IPs of scammers to the authorities.

Also, I do not believe Seibertron.com would have ny liability for a BST forum. It has been a cpl of years since I last took a law class, but I cannot think of how Seib.com could be held accountable. Any Lawyers here who can confirm?

Also, I personally could care less about self promoting Ebay auction ads. I actually make it a point to NOT deal with the people who make those posts as it is almost a sure way of finding overpriced stuff. I'm much more interested in the people selling and trading within the community to promote the community. Besides, I know how to use the search funtion on ebay, thanks a lot.

Actually, Seibertron.com wouldnt be held liable for the transactions themselves, but could be forced to hand over IP addresses and other info deemed vital. Heck, they could force Ryan to sit in court for a couple days to provide some sort of testimony...it sucks, but it happens. I can ask my friend who is a lawyer in Miami, but Im pretty sure they can drag Ryan into court to provide info.

Meh, people are dumb. I go into every online transaction including Ebay expecting to get ripped off. So, one in a while when I get honest descriptions and items as described, I am always pleasantly surprised. However, in a case of loss, it is just a straight write off. I'm not about to spend the time and money to take someone to small claims for 20-30 bucks and a toy.

Bonger wrote:
Meh, people are dumb. I go into every online transaction including Ebay expecting to get ripped off. So, one in a while when I get honest descriptions and items as described, I am always pleasantly surprised. However, in a case of loss, it is just a straight write off. I'm not about to spend the time and money to take someone to small claims for 20-30 bucks and a toy.

I counter with MPs and lucky draws (even large lots of tfs). Those are worth small claims.

Xgamer wrote:

Bonger wrote:
Meh, people are dumb. I go into every online transaction including Ebay expecting to get ripped off. So, one in a while when I get honest descriptions and items as described, I am always pleasantly surprised. However, in a case of loss, it is just a straight write off. I'm not about to spend the time and money to take someone to small claims for 20-30 bucks and a toy.

I counter with MPs and lucky draws (even large lots of tfs). Those are worth small claims.

Ramrider wrote:

FracturedKoi wrote:On a lighter note, just think of all the crap the eBay folk put up with

Indeed so. But here's the point: they have people there whose job is to put up with all that crap. They're a multinational corporation, with tons (I daresay literally) of legal staff to deal with any litigations that may result.

Ryan's got Ryan: a bloke who just happens to run a TF fansite in his spare time (albeit one of, if not the, most successful). He's not:

a) a high-flying legal eagle,
b) a large team of dedicated staff, or indeed
c) getting paid for it.

There may be ways to improve security as regards to BSTs (although there are also probably always going to be ways round them ). The post/duration restriction definitely sound like a good start, but it's gonna take a lot more than that to truly guarantee a safe deal. But if there's a way to cover every angle, I'm pretty sure Ryan will find it... once the rest of his workload eases up.

Whoa whoa. Not getting paid for it? Evertime we post or log in or whatever, that gets logged on seibs servers im sure. Those numbers add up.

You think Ryan advertises for those toy websites on here for free? I dont freakin think so. They pay him for advertising space. And im sure its a large enough amount to cover seibs expenses and then alot more.

Ryan makes money off of us. It may not have been his intent from the start, but it is happening now. And I dont blame him. But I say if you're gonna make money off us visiting the site, give us what we want on the site.

Because we could all just as easily go somewhere else. We don't want to, but we could.

Toyotus Superion wrote:
Whoa whoa. Not getting paid for it? Evertime we post or log in or whatever, that gets logged on seibs servers im sure. Those numbers add up.

You think Ryan advertises for those toy websites on here for free? I dont freakin think so. They pay him for advertising space. And im sure its a large enough amount to cover seibs expenses and then alot more.

Ryan makes money off of us. It may not have been his intent from the start, but it is happening now. And I dont blame him. But I say if you're gonna make money off us visiting the site, give us what we want on the site.

Because we could all just as easily go somewhere else. We don't want to, but we could.

Google Adsense doesnt pay that much, and I doubt those private sellers do. We suck up alot of bandwidth, so he should be allowed to pay for it. I wish he would have click throughs to Amazon, Target, WM, etc. At least it will fund the site better.

Xgamer wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:
Whoa whoa. Not getting paid for it? Evertime we post or log in or whatever, that gets logged on seibs servers im sure. Those numbers add up.

You think Ryan advertises for those toy websites on here for free? I dont freakin think so. They pay him for advertising space. And im sure its a large enough amount to cover seibs expenses and then alot more.

Ryan makes money off of us. It may not have been his intent from the start, but it is happening now. And I dont blame him. But I say if you're gonna make money off us visiting the site, give us what we want on the site.

Because we could all just as easily go somewhere else. We don't want to, but we could.

Google Adsense doesnt pay that much, and I doubt those private sellers do. We suck up alot of bandwidth, so he should be allowed to pay for it. I wish he would have click throughs to Amazon, Target, WM, etc. At least it will fund the site better.

Yeah, the clickthroughs pay in the pennies as far as I recall and the I'm sure the toy stores aren't paying a heck of a lot. I'd bet best case scenario he would be financially beter off using the time he puts into the site on a second job or more time at his current. Just a hunch. I might be wicked off base.

Xgamer wrote:

Bonger wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

FracturedKoi wrote:

Toyotus Superion wrote:

AlienQuiksilver wrote:I like the (X amount of months) membership requirement most of all.

Any decent post whore can get up to 100 rather quickly.

2 or 3 months of commitment, that's pretty solid.

Mate that with a post amount requirement, and those scalpers who know jack and **** about TF's would be revealed to those paying attention to their posts.

Thats exactly what i was thinking! Now if we can get someone to listen to us!

I agree totally. Also, it may be a good idea to do an age-limit as well. 18+ only. I'm not saying anything negative against out teen population, but, hopefully an adult can handle something in an adult fashion.

(now my rant) Killing off the bst forum is pretty heart-breaking. Moreso than seeing Jazz torn asunder, but I digress. I've never had any negative transactions on there, either buying or selling. It's a great place to tell the fan community about stuff you're wanting to sell to a good home, before breaking down and eBaying it.

Sad to see it go. Hope and a prayer it'll come back....

This is something I would like to implement at some point. An X number of posts requirement and a X number of months requirement I think would cut down on some of the crap. But then again ... I've heard that even some long time members have struggled to live up to their end of the bargain (there was a recent situation just last week involving a long time member) so I'm not sure what to do. It's frustrating, because I would like you guys to have it but you have to look at this thing from my perspective. What legal obligations do I have to protect the members on this site? Maybe I don't have any. I'd rather not have to find out the hard way though by getting dragged into some ludicrous situation that was completely out of my control.

I'm sure the Transtopia integration is of mch higher priority. However, just the hope of a new Carboya is good enough for me. I just do not like using ebay. NOTHING is ever as described. Unlike Carbomya, where I trade with people I know and always get pieces as described.

Hell, make the post requirements extrmely high. I'm sure most would be fine with that. And Mods who just deal with Carbomya would probably help a lot. One of the best trade forums online imo is anandtech's. They have stringent rules that are enforced big time. Their mods are on the ball 24/7 and do an amazing job of notifying the community of any threats AND reporting the IPs of scammers to the authorities.

Also, I do not believe Seibertron.com would have ny liability for a BST forum. It has been a cpl of years since I last took a law class, but I cannot think of how Seib.com could be held accountable. Any Lawyers here who can confirm?

Also, I personally could care less about self promoting Ebay auction ads. I actually make it a point to NOT deal with the people who make those posts as it is almost a sure way of finding overpriced stuff. I'm much more interested in the people selling and trading within the community to promote the community. Besides, I know how to use the search funtion on ebay, thanks a lot.

Actually, Seibertron.com wouldnt be held liable for the transactions themselves, but could be forced to hand over IP addresses and other info deemed vital. Heck, they could force Ryan to sit in court for a couple days to provide some sort of testimony...it sucks, but it happens. I can ask my friend who is a lawyer in Miami, but Im pretty sure they can drag Ryan into court to provide info.

Yup, this is part of the problem. Because Ryan owns and operates Seibertron.com he could be forced to show up in court because of the dealings on Carbomya. Ryan maintains Seibertron.com as a spare time gig (but trust me- he puts all his time and energy into Seibertron.com, when he is not at his full time job).

To go to court, Ryan would have to take time off from his full time job. In addition, the servers are located in different places in the U.S., which means he may need to go to those jurisdictions. Unfortunately, it's not a simple drive to the local courthouse. Instead, he would need to purchase a plane ticket and fly across country. Those types of things would be an inconvience for Ryan and as a result- cause delays and set backs in launching other parts of the site.

Yup, it stinks that Carbomya is closed but it's not the end of the world. There are other options available.

Bonger wrote:I might be wicked off base.

Hehe. Wicked. MR.DEEDS'D FTW.

Tekka wrote:Just an inquiry:

I have some TF auctions going up on eBay soon. I was wondering if it would still be acceptable to advertise them in Transformers General Discussion?

EDIT: Don't follow my advice! Click here for more info: http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21663

*WHEW* Dodged that bullet...