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News Credits: 2 · by **Nico** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:29 am

Uh, what the hell are those thing anyway. If i am right, HD DVD are just DVD whit better resolution on a big screen...
But what about Blue Ray? I thought it was a PS3 gimmick, kust like the Sega "Blast Processing"..

by **The Happy Locust** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:45 am

Nico wrote:Uh, what the hell are those thing anyway. If i am right, HD DVD are just DVD whit better resolution on a big screen...
But what about Blue Ray? I thought it was a PS3 gimmick, kust like the Sega "Blast Processing"..

2 words: Format war.

Basically, Toshiba and Sony both attempted to market the "next generation of DVD". So instead of having one successor to DVDs, we have 2.

The problem is that Toshiba and Sony are fighting for their product to be dominant but that hasn't happened just yet. Toshiba is pushing the HDDVD format while Sony is pushing Blu-ray.

As for the physical differences, both can show the same resolution (up to a 1080 res). The Blu-ray discs technically have more memory, but the HDDVD is designed for more interactive features and a generally lower price.

Personally, I support the HD-DVD format, but Blu-ray looks like it might take the win.

IN short, BluRay vs HDDVD is pretty much a replay of the Beta vs VHS battle.

News Credits: 10 · by **sniper_samurai** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:35 pm

The Happy Locust wrote:
Nico wrote:Uh, what the hell are those thing anyway. If i am right, HD DVD are just DVD whit better resolution on a big screen...
But what about Blue Ray? I thought it was a PS3 gimmick, kust like the Sega "Blast Processing"..

2 words: Format war.

Basically, Toshiba and Sony both attempted to market the "next generation of DVD". So instead of having one successor to DVDs, we have 2.

The problem is that Toshiba and Sony are fighting for their product to be dominant but that hasn't happened just yet. Toshiba is pushing the HDDVD format while Sony is pushing Blu-ray.

As for the physical differences, both can show the same resolution (up to a 1080 res). The Blu-ray discs technically have more memory, but the HDDVD is designed for more interactive features and a generally lower price.

Personally, I support the HD-DVD format, but Blu-ray looks like it might take the win.

IN short, BluRay vs HDDVD is pretty much a replay of the Beta vs VHS battle.

Yeah as the locust said there really isn't much difference between the formats and I would actually like both formats to survive, Blu-ray for storage due to its higher capacity and HD-DVD for films as two fingers up at the greedy movie houses that support Blu-Ray and thus region protect their content to bleed extra money out of other territories(i.e Europe which has the highest prices outside of Japan. WTF does M:I 3 cost €48/$72 on BD-rom and €10/$15 on dvd here), and to prevent you from getting content they don't want to sell you.

News Credits: 2 · by **Nico** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:48 pm

But tell me, beside money, what is the POINT of upgrading DvD? They seem pretty ok for me for at least..i dunno, 5 year or even more!

News Credits: 10 · by **sniper_samurai** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:01 pm

Nico wrote:But tell me, beside money, what is the POINT of upgrading DvD? They seem pretty ok for me for at least..i dunno, 5 year or even more!

The only point of upgrading is if you have a hd tv and as shown below the increase in resolution is immense. Now try and imagine watching a dvd on a 1080p set and a crap cable, I can tell you that its as fuzzy as hell(done using ps2 and composite cable) and makes vhs look HD on an sd tv.

News Credits: 38 · by **TheMuffin** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:18 pm

It truly is amazing what HD offers in the way of visuals. When recording my Xbox I have to switch over to S-Video SD from Component HD.

My eyes water at how grainy everything is.

High Definition is definitely the way to go when the prices start coming down some more. But I'm not worrying about it for another 5 years or so. My DVD collection is fine the way it is.

by **Grahf** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:35 am

I've only bought two games for my PS3 since launch day, so I pretty much use it as a Blue Ray player. I've noticed that some Blue Ray movies don't look much better than their regular DVDs, while others look amazing.

I have a 1080p HDTV so picture quality isn't an issue. For the extra amount that you have to pay for a Blue Ray disc, it doesn't seem like a lot of effort is being put into the conversion.

Even with prices of each format starting to drop, I would probably still wait and see which one would come out on top.
Once the full potential of a Blue Ray disc is utalized, my opinion is that they will win.

by **Xgamer** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:25 pm

Grahf wrote:I've only bought two games for my PS3 since launch day, so I pretty much use it as a Blue Ray player. I've noticed that some Blue Ray movies don't look much better than their regular DVDs, while others look amazing.

I have a 1080p HDTV so picture quality isn't an issue. For the extra amount that you have to pay for a Blue Ray disc, it doesn't seem like a lot of effort is being put into the conversion.

Even with prices of each format starting to drop, I would probably still wait and see which one would come out on top.
Once the full potential of a Blue Ray disc is utalized, my opinion is that they will win.

I have both formats at home. I enjoy anything in HD. I feel that the format war has kept prices low, which is great for consumers. The only problem I have with Sony winning the format war is the way they have "fixed" prices in the past over exclusive technology. I love Sony's product, but have never agreed with their business model.

by **Grahf** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:05 pm

Sony can be a pain in the ass, I was looking at it from a technical aspect. Within last year, player prices have dropped a lot, but the discs seem to hover around the same range. Whoever wins in the end though, some people will be left in the dark. Hell, I even have my Beta and MiniDiscs player still.

News Credits: 38 · by **TheMuffin** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:01 am

Ouch. Sounds like you need to stop being a quick adapter of technology. That's a lot of money wasted on tech that never took off.....Sony UMD....lol

by **SpacerAM2** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:37 am

Alot of people have too many regular dvds for them to be doing this. Do regular dvds work in these players? I'm not in a hurry in getting one right away. Especially that my dvd player is working fine so far.

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by **Grahf** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:47 pm

TheMuffin wrote:Ouch. Sounds like you need to stop being a quick adapter of technology. That's a lot of money wasted on tech that never took off.....Sony UMD....lol

At the time, I didn't have a CD burner, so I bought a Minidisc player. I still use it now, so I have no regrets about buying it. Our Beta was still in use until the early 90s. Again, no regrets. I do own a PSP, but I bought it to play games on it, not to watch movies. If I feel the urge, I can just put any DVD I own onto the card.

Once the games that I bought the PS3 for stop getting pushed back and are released, I'm sure it will get just as much use as my other systems. The fact that the PS3 plays Bluerays was only a bonus, it wasn't a deciding factor in the purchase.

I put a lot of thought into any purchse, I don't just buy them because they are new tech. I am satisfied with what I own, and still use most of it to this day.

by **The Happy Locust** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:05 pm

SpacerAM2 wrote:Alot of people have too many regular dvds for them to be doing this. Do regular dvds work in these players? I'm not in a hurry in getting one right away. Especially that my dvd player is working fine so far.

Yes. Anything that plays HDDVD or Blu-ray should be able to play DVDs and CDs. Backwards compatibility is part of the marketing campaign to entice people to buy the new systems.
If you don't think backwards compatibility is important, look at the wii, PS3, and Xbox 360.

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News Credits: 1 · by **tech348** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:03 pm

The Happy Locust wrote:
SpacerAM2 wrote:Alot of people have too many regular dvds for them to be doing this. Do regular dvds work in these players? I'm not in a hurry in getting one right away. Especially that my dvd player is working fine so far.

Yes. Anything that plays HDDVD or Blu-ray should be able to play DVDs and CDs. Backwards compatibility is part of the marketing campaign to entice people to buy the new systems.
If you don't think backwards compatibility is important, look at the wii, PS3, and Xbox 360.

Don't forget if you play a regular dvd in either of these players it will upconvert the dvd. What I mean is if the dvd puts out 480p it will play it at 720p or 1080i, it really is a difference. I have a Toshiba HD-A30 1080p hd player which plays on a Panasonic TH-50700U and the picture is great. Both on regular dvds and hd.

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by **Xgamer** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:50 pm

tech348 wrote:
The Happy Locust wrote:
SpacerAM2 wrote:Alot of people have too many regular dvds for them to be doing this. Do regular dvds work in these players? I'm not in a hurry in getting one right away. Especially that my dvd player is working fine so far.

Yes. Anything that plays HDDVD or Blu-ray should be able to play DVDs and CDs. Backwards compatibility is part of the marketing campaign to entice people to buy the new systems.
If you don't think backwards compatibility is important, look at the wii, PS3, and Xbox 360.

Don't forget if you play a regular dvd in either of these players it will upconvert the dvd. What I mean is if the dvd puts out 480p it will play it at 720p or 1080i, it really is a difference. I have a Toshiba HD-A30 1080p hd player which plays on a Panasonic TH-50700U and the picture is great. Both on regular dvds and hd.

As Autobot032 says:
_________________
I believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour. If you do too, copy and paste this into your signature.

NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.

The only way you can upconvert is through a HDMI connection....this is due to DVD copyright protection, which requires HDCP handshaking.

News Credits: 1 · by **tech348** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:33 am

Xgamer wrote:
tech348 wrote:
The Happy Locust wrote:
SpacerAM2 wrote:Alot of people have too many regular dvds for them to be doing this. Do regular dvds work in these players? I'm not in a hurry in getting one right away. Especially that my dvd player is working fine so far.

Yes. Anything that plays HDDVD or Blu-ray should be able to play DVDs and CDs. Backwards compatibility is part of the marketing campaign to entice people to buy the new systems.
If you don't think backwards compatibility is important, look at the wii, PS3, and Xbox 360.

Don't forget if you play a regular dvd in either of these players it will upconvert the dvd. What I mean is if the dvd puts out 480p it will play it at 720p or 1080i, it really is a difference. I have a Toshiba HD-A30 1080p hd player which plays on a Panasonic TH-50700U and the picture is great. Both on regular dvds and hd.

As Autobot032 says:
_________________
I believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour. If you do too, copy and paste this into your signature.

NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.

The only way you can upconvert is through a HDMI connection....this is due to DVD copyright protection, which requires HDCP handshaking.

I forgot to mention that thankyou.

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