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Nightwatcher wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:And real men who don't want to compile everything use Windows.

I've used Mac. I couldn't really DO anything, because I couldn't FIND anything.

Seriously, where was it all? We used it in my Literature Through Films class, and no one could find the button to make the font bigger or smaller in whatever-the-hell word proccessor it used. It took us about an hour to find it!

Having used both Windows and Mac, I much prefer Windows.

I haven't really tried UNIX, though. XP is working well enough that I don't really have to switch to anything else.

Keep in mind it takes a long while to learn any new system. Think back to the first time you used a PC. Hard wasn't it?

Windows didn't. It came pretty naturally.

Maybe because my dad introduced me to computers when I was a year old.

Dark Zarak wrote:And real men who don't want to compile everything use Windows.

That's like saying "And real men who drive motorcycles drive scooters."

Real programs used shared memory and not threads.

I think I just started a real men anecdotal thread. I also don't know if I spelled anecdotal right.

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Getting used to Vista isn't the problem.

The problem is, it's not allowing me to use the programs I need to use in order to graduate this June.

Reformatting the hard drive we already tried, and getting a new hard drive is out of the question, since I don't feel like having my parents go through and get some more stuff.

The thing that really irks me is Autodesk charging people for the vista fix. Microsoft when asked how to go about switching from Vista back to XP until Vista becomes more compatible giving you a "Why would you want to do that?" answer and not helping in any way.

It just pisses me off, that I get this computer to make doing 3d modeling and all the other stuff go a lot easier when it comes to rendering, and I get jerked around by the companies and really not be allowed to do what I need/want to do.

This is why I hate Vista. I'm not even bothering loading up the other programs I need like Adobe Premiere, Corel, After Effects and everything else as I don't want to go through the trouble of figuring out what works and what isn't.

So I'm going back to XP until Microsoft does something to make Vista worth using for anything other than Web-surfing.

Actually, I'd like to learn Windows and Mac. It's just apples and oranges.

Honestly, I just like Windows because it's all I know. I have a feeling I'll be staying with it, because PC's do so much more of the things I like in a computer.

I work for my university's IT dept. We're trying to learn Vista from the end user view...in some cases, we love it...and then we hate it...ALOT...

Burn wrote:.....Bring it on ya XP luvin Firefox fanboys! .....

Alright, fistycuffs from 3 paces, in the carpark at high noon

Yeah I'm not really liking Vista at the moment, they just puffed up the look and flung in a few new bits, that and you need a computer with specks so advanced that they haven't found a computer so far that will run it smoothly
Weren't they saying you need at least 2GB ram to run vista and anything else you might want to use smoothly

I'm keeping XP till my computer falls apart, its really not worth going to vista at the moment.

I did try running Linux on my computer a while ago, but i just couldn't get the wireless to work, the OS was great (I was using Ubuntu release 6.06 -"Dapper Drake"), but really without a working wireless (all the net an printers go through it) it was useless, but if i could find a way to get it all working, i would switch to Linux, no second thoughts bout it.

Dual core 2.8gHz processors
2gb ram
256mb video card
160gb hard drive.

Handles Vista just nicely.
And it was all thanks to insurance so I paid next to nothing for it. hehehehe

Senor Hugo wrote:Getting used to Vista isn't the problem.

The problem is, it's not allowing me to use the programs I need to use in order to graduate this June.

Reformatting the hard drive we already tried, and getting a new hard drive is out of the question, since I don't feel like having my parents go through and get some more stuff.

The thing that really irks me is Autodesk charging people for the vista fix. Microsoft when asked how to go about switching from Vista back to XP until Vista becomes more compatible giving you a "Why would you want to do that?" answer and not helping in any way.

It just pisses me off, that I get this computer to make doing 3d modeling and all the other stuff go a lot easier when it comes to rendering, and I get jerked around by the companies and really not be allowed to do what I need/want to do.

This is why I hate Vista. I'm not even bothering loading up the other programs I need like Adobe Premiere, Corel, After Effects and everything else as I don't want to go through the trouble of figuring out what works and what isn't.

So I'm going back to XP until Microsoft does something to make Vista worth using for anything other than Web-surfing.

I'm honestly not surprised at Autodesk charging for a patch. After all they're the ones who created the sin to CAD knwon as AutoCAD. They make stupid decisions on a constant basis. It wouldn't surprise me though if Adobe came out with an update here soon for Vista. Free I can't say.

Nightwatcher wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:Getting used to Vista isn't the problem.

The problem is, it's not allowing me to use the programs I need to use in order to graduate this June.

Reformatting the hard drive we already tried, and getting a new hard drive is out of the question, since I don't feel like having my parents go through and get some more stuff.

The thing that really irks me is Autodesk charging people for the vista fix. Microsoft when asked how to go about switching from Vista back to XP until Vista becomes more compatible giving you a "Why would you want to do that?" answer and not helping in any way.

It just pisses me off, that I get this computer to make doing 3d modeling and all the other stuff go a lot easier when it comes to rendering, and I get jerked around by the companies and really not be allowed to do what I need/want to do.

This is why I hate Vista. I'm not even bothering loading up the other programs I need like Adobe Premiere, Corel, After Effects and everything else as I don't want to go through the trouble of figuring out what works and what isn't.

So I'm going back to XP until Microsoft does something to make Vista worth using for anything other than Web-surfing.

I'm honestly not surprised at Autodesk charging for a patch. After all they're the ones who created the sin to CAD knwon as AutoCAD. They make stupid decisions on a constant basis. It wouldn't surprise me though if Adobe came out with an update here soon for Vista. Free I can't say.

Yes autocad is a sin against everything that I do(especially when it comes to perspective views, eg isometric).
I'm so fed up with autocad that for drafting I use solidworks to model it in 3d then use the draft function in that to make cad files.

And Rhino is a sin against 3d modelling[nurbs, no backediting and poor model outline importing from autocad(it can't import circles properly)ftl]. Again solidworks comes to the rescue with its ability to save the renders as rhino files(pulled my ass through quite a few modelling projects that we were supposed to use rhino for that way)

Anyway i've been thinking about upgrading to vista for awhile but in the end decided to stick with xp either until it breaks, DX10 is the only way to play current pc games or SP1 does a major patch up.

Rhino is decent... If you want little to no accuracy in anything you do. Which is sad because that's all I have to work with at home. Solidworks I love and hate. One bad curve and there goes your model.

Senor Hugo wrote:It's as simple as that. With the new computer came Vista. I tried installing XP when the computer came, but got a "fatal error" every time we booted from the CD. So we figured best bet was to stick with Vista for now.

Was it an original OEM disc or retai disc? Or one that was burned? If it was burned this is not Vista's fault, and if it is an original, it is probably a bios setting. Again, not Vista's fault.

Now, Vista hadn't been so bad, until a couple days ago. Autodesk 3ds Max 9 won't run on the computer. Autodesk is putting out a fix you can buy, which royally pisses me off as I need that program for school purposes. Microsoft is no help on that end.

Not Vista's fault, blame Autodesk for charging to make their software compatible.

Now today, I find out that I have 27 days to activate Vista or else Windows will stop working. "No problem" I think, I'll just grab the cd the computer came with and slap in the activation key. Well turns out, the Vista that came with the computer is only a trial version anyway, and I need to buy the full software.

This is Vista's fault that you bought a computer with a trial version?

....it gets better.

Now my downloads folder for Bitcomet is being shown as empty, when there are several folders and files in the sucker. I can see the files through the media player, but apparently can't access or see them through the regular folder.

Maybe Vista is smart enough to know that your torrent files are likely illegal and it is just screwing with you. Wouldn't that be fun.

Man I hate Vista, I hate Microsoft, and I hope the people who worked on Vista and spawned this devil software, die of cancer and rot in a special level of hell.

I really hate Vista.

In summation, you have a technical problem with the wiring from your chair to your keyboard. Not Vista's fault. Vista might not be perfect, but the least you could do is accuse it of something that it is actually to blame for.

Pokey the Clown wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:It's as simple as that. With the new computer came Vista. I tried installing XP when the computer came, but got a "fatal error" every time we booted from the CD. So we figured best bet was to stick with Vista for now.

Was it an original OEM disc or retai disc? Or one that was burned? If it was burned this is not Vista's fault, and if it is an original, it is probably a bios setting. Again, not Vista's fault.

Yes, I know. It is a BIOS setting that I do in fact need to change in order to get the XP disc to work right. Which I wasn't able to find out from Microsoft as their responses have been "why would you want to install XP when you have Vista." I had to go to HP and find out.

Pokey the Clown wrote:

Now, Vista hadn't been so bad, until a couple days ago. Autodesk 3ds Max 9 won't run on the computer. Autodesk is putting out a fix you can buy, which royally pisses me off as I need that program for school purposes. Microsoft is no help on that end.

Not Vista's fault, blame Autodesk for charging to make their software compatible.

And yet it is Vista that made 3ds Max incompatible in the first place, so by Vista making 3ds Max incompatible, I will now have to purchase from Autodesk the enhancement patch to get the thing to work.

Pokey the Clown wrote:

Now today, I find out that I have 27 days to activate Vista or else Windows will stop working. "No problem" I think, I'll just grab the cd the computer came with and slap in the activation key. Well turns out, the Vista that came with the computer is only a trial version anyway, and I need to buy the full software.

This is Vista's fault that you bought a computer with a trial version?

It's Best Buy's fault for not including the serial key to Windows Vista. I get a flashy new computer, with everything I need, and then Vista turns out to be a trial version. Thats bullshit and everyone knows it.

Pokey the Clown wrote:

....it gets better.

Now my downloads folder for Bitcomet is being shown as empty, when there are several folders and files in the sucker. I can see the files through the media player, but apparently can't access or see them through the regular folder.

Maybe Vista is smart enough to know that your torrent files are likely illegal and it is just screwing with you. Wouldn't that be fun.

Unfortunately Vista isn't that smart. As there are other files and folders I can't access through the Computer>Documents>whatever thing. My Bitcomet downloads folder is just the thing I access more often than not.

Pokey the Clown wrote:

Man I hate Vista, I hate Microsoft, and I hope the people who worked on Vista and spawned this devil software, die of cancer and rot in a special level of hell.

I really hate Vista.

In summation, you have a technical problem with the wiring from your chair to your keyboard. Not Vista's fault. Vista might not be perfect, but the least you could do is accuse it of something that it is actually to blame for.

Oh, I am blaming it for something it is to blame for. Not being compatible. How hard is it to make a computer work with programs that the previous OS worked fine with? Not that hard.

I got a new computer to make doing my work easier. Now since I can't run the programs on this new computer, due to Vista, I have to spend more time at school working on my project. More time at school means more time driving, which means more gas spent, which means less money in my pocket, which means less food in my belly. Which means I get to survive on friggin' chicken ramen for weeks on end, and as much as I love ramen, I want some damned meat.

Anyway, I'm starting to rant.

This topic was put together so I could vent my frustrations at the closest source of my troubles. This being Windows Vista, since I can't stroll over to Bill Gates house and plant a huge chocolate fudge dragon on his yard for releasing a product that is substandard so far, I choose to vent my rage on Vista.

Microsoft didn't make your motherboard, therefore the BIOS setting has nothing to do with them.

Vista is NOT XP, nor is it a simply modified version of XP, as was XP from Win2K. It is decidedly NOT Microsoft's fault that your program doesn't work with theirs. It is YOUR responsibility to check compatibility before you switch operating systems.

It is not Best Buy's fault that you didn't know what you are buying. Stop blaming everyone else because you are ignorant.

MAYBE you have a real problem with your folders, but considering how off-base you are with everything else, I highly doubt it.

And Vista is definitely not to blame for you being forced to survive on Ramen. The source of you troubles is you, not Vista. Take responsibility instead of putting blame.


p.s. - No, I do not work for Microsoft. Vista is not perfect, but is is far better than the people who attempt to use it and fail miserably.

Pokey the Clown wrote:Microsoft didn't make your motherboard, therefore the BIOS setting has nothing to do with them.

Vista is NOT XP, nor is it a simply modified version of XP, as was XP from Win2K. It is decidedly NOT Microsoft's fault that your program doesn't work with theirs. It is YOUR responsibility to check compatibility before you switch operating systems.

It is not Best Buy's fault that you didn't know what you are buying. Stop blaming everyone else because you are ignorant.

MAYBE you have a real problem with your folders, but considering how off-base you are with everything else, I highly doubt it.

And Vista is definitely not to blame for you being forced to survive on Ramen. The source of you troubles is you, not Vista. Take responsibility instead of putting blame.


p.s. - No, I do not work for Microsoft. Vista is not perfect, but is is far better than the people who attempt to use it and fail miserably.

Ok, you know what. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for being human. I'm sorry for getting angry at poopy software.

I'm sorry I'm not as well versed in the ways of computers as you Mr.High-and-mighty.

I'm sorry that you're ignorant to the full details on how this computer trouble came about.
I'm sorry that you assume things.

I'm sorry that you're apparent joy seems to come from making fun of others who are having trouble.

I'm sorry that I'm so "off-base" with a new operating system that so far, to me, has no advantages other than web surfing.

I'm sorry for having opinions.

I'm also sorry for venting on this forum.

I'm also sorry for you thinking that to call someone ignorant, when all they are doing is venting and hoping someone will offer some kind of helpful advice, is not a good idea. It makes them more angry than they were previously, so they're prone to saying something that would get them in trouble, like this.

Go **** yourself.

Now, I'm sorry that I have to ask this. But could a mod lock this thread before things spiral out of control, like I know they will if I keep receiving personal attacks of this nature.

sorry to hear about your computer probs Hugo. I think it is pretty poor business for Autodesk to have to charge for a "fix" in order for their product to work on a new operating system. Just out of curiosity, how much are they asking so their software works on vista?

I'm not going to lock it. I am however going to tell Pokey to cut out the constant hammering on you.

People have problems and need to vent. I'll keep your posts in mind if you ever decide to do the same.

The fact that Best Buy sold a computer with an OS installed and didn't provide a serial key is just plain wrong. I didn't think such things were allowed anyway?

As for programs not working. I cannot use DivX player, I cannot use Quicktime for streaming, I cannot use iTunes if I wanted to.

There are a bunch of programs out there that are incompatible with Vista. That's no one's fault, it's just playing catch up with a new O/S.

I don't agree that you should need to pay for a patch, most software providers are putting out patches to make their software compatible with Vista at no charge. To me this is just a cash grab.

I do however stand by my claim that Vista IS a good o/s. It just needs to be given time for developers to get on board with the right software. (Though the big downside IS the computer specs you need to run the damn thing, that's going to be a killer for a lot of people)

I'm straining my memory here, but wasn't this a lot like when XP came out?

The main reason I'm waiting is so program developers can get compatibility issues sorted out, well that and I'm waiting till the price of a computer that can smoothly run Vista comes down a lot, though that won't really take that long, but i want to get a really beefed up computer, and I'm not willing to pay more than NZ$1500 for a laptop

Nightwatcher wrote:I beg you folks not to turn this into a Mac vs. PC flame thread.

I've tried Vista. And I dislike it. Especially the new IE. I'll keep using XP as long as it works.

Yeah, i've been using Vista Premium. It's a long road ahead let me tell you. I don't hate it..I had FAR worse experiences when XP was first released and windows 98.

Still, I spent a small fortune on an a new office set up for my buisness and I don't like dealing with some of the problems that is has. This includes explorer, still rough around the edges. I think a large part is it just seems foreign from what i'm used to.

Well I pretty much solved my problem with Vista. While I still hate the OS so far. Me and my friends were able to make my computer a dual-boot system.

So I have XP Pro on one partition, and Vista on the other, allowing me to keep Vista till it gets better, and having XP so I can get my work done.

So every other day I get a message tells me I am low on disk space and I free up files from God knows where(til I have at least 200 Mb).
Is installing Vista a good idea?
At least it has stopped seizing up and telling me it was to begin "Dump of physical memory", whatever that means.

Vista has a very odd way of managing free space.

I'm trying to keep 20gb free on my drive, it dipped below that on the weekend, so I backed up and deleted some stuff but it didn't make much of a difference.

Next morning I booted up, and suddenly was back over 20gb.

It took Microsoft 3+ years to get XP working (SP2), I think I'll wait a while on Vista.

Hugo, buy a program called Wipe Drive (http://www.wipedrive.com/)

The Department Of Defense not only uses it, but certified it as being an excellent data eliminator.

It will completely wipe your drive back to factory settings, completely 100% clean, like it came out of a factory shipped carton brand new.

I use it when I format, to make sure there are no problems when I do my 6-12 month reinstallation of ME, or XP (depending on which computer I'm formatting, I have two, and they're old old beasts.)

It'll rip Vista off of there, no problem.

Now...the XP with the BIOS problem is insurmountable. You're going to need to borrow a friend's disc (OEM) and install it with that, but by using your Key, it will be legalized and you will have done nothing wrong. (The disc isn't important really, it's the actual Key that determines legality and what not. Although burned discs aren't legal, etc.)

Don't panic though, there's always a work around of some sort.

And thank you, no Vista for me. I didn't like what I experienced on a store display, and I'm fine with XP. (It works, it's relatively stable, and it's quite adaptable to older programs, etc.)

And if it's not too late, I'd be taking the computer back to Best Buy or raising hell and getting that key. It shouldn't be legal for them to sell you a computer with a trial version.

And unlike Pokey's psychic mind, not all of us are able to tell what's what with Best Buy. They've been known to use really underhanded and despicable tactics in the past (such as installing a new Hard Drive, saying the old one had failed reformatting, and then selling said used Hard Drive with the previous owner's information still intact to another person...)

You had no idea that it was a Vista trial, and I'm damn sure the fellas at Best Buy were less than forthcoming about it during their sales pitch, cuz let's face it. "**** the customer, that's my pizza and beer money tonight!"

I hope things go better for you.

DISCHARGE wrote:So every other day I get a message tells me I am low on disk space and I free up files from God knows where(til I have at least 200 Mb).
Is installing Vista a good idea?
At least it has stopped seizing up and telling me it was to begin "Dump of physical memory", whatever that means.

It really depends on the specs on your computer, but if you can't keep your hard drive over 200mB, you probably don't have a nice enough computer.