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Superman vs Goku. Now we've had this fight I dont know how many times, but with all the new people joining I want to know the newbies think. And for all of you new guys the general consensus on seibertron for all the fights we've had here is that Superman wins, but I want to know what the new guys think. Just watch the fanboy rants or incur the wrath of the facts.

Supes flys into the sun becoming godly, Goku becomes Suoer Saiyan 5 after pushing himself past SS4's limits and they end up destroying each other in one big final strike after a grueling 10 day match.

Winner: I dunno...Freeza and Lex, their enemies are now dead.

Dynamax wrote:Supes flys into the sun becoming godly, Goku becomes Suoer Saiyan 5 after pushing himself past SS4's limits and they end up destroying each other in one big final strike after a grueling 10 day match.

Winner: I dunno...Freeza and Lex, their enemies are now dead.

Id think it cause another Amalgam

Probably Goku, since during the Freeza Saga he was shown to be able to augment his already gigantic power with that of all the life within his sphere of influence, provided he only took enough that didn't kill them, which seemed to be solar systems wide. Considering he's grown to magnanimous levels beyond that stage, I'd say supes would be litterally by facing the power of the whole universe, a loss.

However, he only fights people he sees as direct threats to the fate of this universe and the beings in it, which he has an intrinsic love of, the same as Superman. Thus, the fight would only occur if one of the two had gone insane.

DesalationReborn wrote:Probably Goku, since during the Freeza Saga he was shown to be able to augment his already gigantic power with that of all the life within his sphere of influence, provided he only took enough that didn't kill them, which seemed to be solar systems wide. Considering he's grown to magnanimous levels beyond that stage, I'd say supes would be litterally by facing the power of the whole universe, a loss.

However, he only fights people he sees as direct threats to the fate of this universe and the beings in it, which he has an intrinsic love of, the same as Superman. Thus, the fight would only occur if one of the two had gone insane.

Well the same goes for supes, he has been able to push planets across galaxies in a matter of weeks, punch planets in half, dive into the center of the sun, hold a pocket black hole in his hand to contain it from getting out of control and the list goes on. The problem is in the DB universe blowing up a planet shows tremendous power but in the DC universe it happens all the time and those people arent even considered the strongest.

If it is regular Superman (not turned evil by bad mojo Kryptonite), then Goku wins since the goody-to-shoes Superman would withhold his powers down.

if any of Goku's powers are in the slightest bit magical, Superman is toast.

1st i'ld like to ban Sunrunner for his apocolypical postings

2nd considering Predaprince is the newest member to reply i think i'll toss in a little opinion too

Batman is believed a match for S-man for some reason. His deductive reasoning and fighting ability being his greatest two assests, followed marginally by his wealth and resources there of. It is believed a LanternCorp member couldn't be de-ringed by a Kryptonian, see other thread, though Batman has done just that. Krylin should pwn Batman, thus Goku must pose some credible threat to the greatest son of Krypton.

Gohan defied a blackhole near the age of 5. It might be a stretch but... Goku Should be able to do the same... about S-man holding a blackhole and the nature of blackholes...

With gravity so great as to take in all light, and dealing with the effects of time dilation, neither combatant should be dealing with blackholes especially if one of them happens to have powers that are sun based... but Goku can teleport

Fast forward a good decade and you have Goku facing off with a magical being who should technically be a match for the S-man. Fast forward another decade and he's now so fanwanked that he beats/trains the reincarnated magical being who should still tchnically be a match for the S-man. 0nly then he is chibified by more fanwankery until he becomes the new guardian of the dragonballs, by magically absorbing them into his body, thus a magical being himself.

100 years later he monetarily returns to earth. I don't think this magical Goku would loose to Superman.

Have "Billy Batson" raised by Batman and then give the pure hearted brat Thor's hammer for good measure... and see S-man take him, then i'ld say he could take Goku.

Sheba wrote:if any of Goku's powers are in the slightest bit magical, Superman is toast.

yes because even uncle knows "Magic must defeat magic"

Sun Runner wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:Probably Goku, since during the Freeza Saga he was shown to be able to augment his already gigantic power with that of all the life within his sphere of influence, provided he only took enough that didn't kill them, which seemed to be solar systems wide. Considering he's grown to magnanimous levels beyond that stage, I'd say supes would be litterally by facing the power of the whole universe, a loss.

However, he only fights people he sees as direct threats to the fate of this universe and the beings in it, which he has an intrinsic love of, the same as Superman. Thus, the fight would only occur if one of the two had gone insane.

Well the same goes for supes, he has been able to pushplanets across galaxies in a matter of weeks, punch planets in half, dive into the center of the sun, hold a pocket black hole in his hand to contain it from getting out of control and the list goes on. The problem is in the DB universe blowing up a planet shows tremendous power but in the DC universe it happens all the time and those people arent even considered the strongest.

Goku really never needs, nor wants to interfere with the natural functions of the universe, meaning planets, but it should be noted Freeza, whom is now considered pathetic in power in the DBZ world, destroyed planet Vegeta, the planet of the brutal Sayan warriors, with a single attack in his weakest form.

And Goku defeated him in a form which he has passed by leaps and bounds.

For interest:

Wikipedia Artical \"Son Goku\" wrote:In the 133rd edition (September 2002) of Wizard Magazine, a hypothetical Superman vs. Goku match up was published. Goku won the fight quite easily, needing to just tap into the first Super Saiyan level to defeat Superman.

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:Probably Goku, since during the Freeza Saga he was shown to be able to augment his already gigantic power with that of all the life within his sphere of influence, provided he only took enough that didn't kill them, which seemed to be solar systems wide. Considering he's grown to magnanimous levels beyond that stage, I'd say supes would be litterally by facing the power of the whole universe, a loss.

However, he only fights people he sees as direct threats to the fate of this universe and the beings in it, which he has an intrinsic love of, the same as Superman. Thus, the fight would only occur if one of the two had gone insane.

Well the same goes for supes, he has been able to pushplanets across galaxies in a matter of weeks, punch planets in half, dive into the center of the sun, hold a pocket black hole in his hand to contain it from getting out of control and the list goes on. The problem is in the DB universe blowing up a planet shows tremendous power but in the DC universe it happens all the time and those people arent even considered the strongest.

Goku really never needs, nor wants to interfere with the natural functions of the universe, meaning planets, but it should be noted Freeza, whom is now considered pathetic in power in the DBZ world, destroyed planet Vegeta, the planet of the brutal Sayan warriors, with a single attack in his weakest form.

And Goku defeated him in a form which he has passed by leaps and bounds.

For interest:

Wikipedia Artical \"Son Goku\" wrote:In the 133rd edition (September 2002) of Wizard Magazine, a hypothetical Superman vs. Goku match up was published. Goku won the fight quite easily, needing to just tap into the first Super Saiyan level to defeat Superman.

Wizard is not a source on comic knowledge, they are a marketing corporation it's their duty to sell products not comic book information. They based their fights on opinions not facts. Two vital points to the case.
1.They first had supermans lifting capacity at 50 tons, Superman in the DC universe is in the 100 power league (meaning he can go no less than 100 tons as a max lifting weight) Heck in the All star series Supes could lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand without breaking a sweat. Granted he was exposed to alot of solar enegry.
2. they had them fight in space, Goku cant breathe in space

another account to Wizard not being a credible source is they had a Thor vs Superman battle. They had Thor wining, but even Marvel comics contacted Wizard and told them to retract the fight because even they believed Superman could beat Thor as was proven in Marvel vs DC(now here is the thing since Thor's magic, Thor uses magically enhanced elements not spells like Dr Strange. If it were a spell it would affect Superman but enhanced energy would do the damage but wouldn't harm superman as much as any other energy).

Also DBZ power fluctuates as much as Superman's strength through out time. Now yes I know when Vegeta was heading to earth he blew up a planet along the way but there is a flaw, to why he didn't just blow up earth when Kakarot refused to join them instead of fighting him. It's probably safe to assume Toriyama revamped Vegeta when he got to earth because we never see that kind of strength from Vegeta ever again, otherwise alot of the DBZ fights would have been alot shorter. From then any world destroying attacks were special attacks not relation to the persons power level. If their power levels were in relation to special attacks then they would be able to level planets easily, but they don't. Also we have to take into account the difference between power level between show and manga. Now in the Show, Buu supposedly was strong enough to destroy a galaxy (which is actually quite common in the DC universe, Pre-Crisis Superman sneezed once with enough force to destroy a galaxy, and Darkseid does it for fun), in the manga Buu's power was enough to destroy 700 planets, but not a galaxy. And superman has survived a collapsing galaxy before so i dont think alot of Goku's could even phase superman.

whoever wins this, becomes suicidal due to the ranting of fanboys.

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:Probably Goku, since during the Freeza Saga he was shown to be able to augment his already gigantic power with that of all the life within his sphere of influence, provided he only took enough that didn't kill them, which seemed to be solar systems wide. Considering he's grown to magnanimous levels beyond that stage, I'd say supes would be litterally by facing the power of the whole universe, a loss.

However, he only fights people he sees as direct threats to the fate of this universe and the beings in it, which he has an intrinsic love of, the same as Superman. Thus, the fight would only occur if one of the two had gone insane.

Well the same goes for supes, he has been able to pushplanets across galaxies in a matter of weeks, punch planets in half, dive into the center of the sun, hold a pocket black hole in his hand to contain it from getting out of control and the list goes on. The problem is in the DB universe blowing up a planet shows tremendous power but in the DC universe it happens all the time and those people arent even considered the strongest.

Goku really never needs, nor wants to interfere with the natural functions of the universe, meaning planets, but it should be noted Freeza, whom is now considered pathetic in power in the DBZ world, destroyed planet Vegeta, the planet of the brutal Sayan warriors, with a single attack in his weakest form.

And Goku defeated him in a form which he has passed by leaps and bounds.

For interest:

Wikipedia Artical \"Son Goku\" wrote:In the 133rd edition (September 2002) of Wizard Magazine, a hypothetical Superman vs. Goku match up was published. Goku won the fight quite easily, needing to just tap into the first Super Saiyan level to defeat Superman.

Wizard is not a source on comic knowledge, they are a marketing corporation it's their duty to sell products not comic book information. They based their fights on opinions not facts. Two vital points to the case.
1.They first had supermans lifting capacity at 50 tons, Superman in the DC universe is in the 100 power league (meaning he can go no less than 100 tons as a max lifting weight) Heck in the All star series Supes could lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand without breaking a sweat. Granted he was exposed to alot of solar enegry.
2. they had them fight in space, Goku cant breathe in space

another account to Wizard not being a credible source is they had a Thor vs Superman battle. They had Thor wining, but even Marvel comics contacted Wizard and told them to retract the fight because even they believed Superman could beat Thor as was proven in Marvel vs DC(now here is the thing since Thor's magic, Thor uses magically enhanced elements not spells like Dr Strange. If it were a spell it would affect Superman but enhanced energy would do the damage but wouldn't harm superman as much as any other energy).

Also DBZ power fluctuates as much as Superman's strength through out time. Now yes I know when Vegeta was heading to earth he blew up a planet along the way but there is a flaw, to why he didn't just blow up earth when Kakarot refused to join them instead of fighting him. It's probably safe to assume Toriyama revamped Vegeta when he got to earth because we never see that kind of strength from Vegeta ever again, otherwise alot of the DBZ fights would have been alot shorter. From then any world destroying attacks were special attacks not relation to the persons power level. If their power levels were in relation to special attacks then they would be able to level planets easily, but they don't. Also we have to take into account the difference between power level between show and manga. Now in the Show, Buu supposedly was strong enough to destroy a galaxy (which is actually quite common in the DC universe, Pre-Crisis Superman sneezed once with enough force to destroy a galaxy, and Darkseid does it for fun), in the manga Buu's power was enough to destroy 700 planets, but not a galaxy. And superman has survived a collapsing galaxy before so i dont think alot of Goku's could even phase superman.

As I said, the Wizard's thing is "for interest"...

And I could have sworn I saw Goku breath in space once-- even Batman can do that.

And, if you haven't noticed, DBZ villans are usually cinematic and like to watch the suffering of their victims (and not having anything left to gloat about conquering when they're done). Because of stupidity like that, it's usually explained though casual narration why they don't destroy one planet from another, from being "planet merchants" like the Sayans, to building a gallatic empire like Freeza, from being a bounty for an eccentric exhibition with Goku like Cell, or Buu and Baby, who don't really care as long as they get to watch stuff die.

Now, specifically, which Superman are we talking about? There's only one Goku (abiet divided between show and magna) I know of. I'm personally assuming the usual, everyday Superman, because stuff like Superman Prime is just redcullous-- I can't think of anyone outside those manipulating space and time like the Celestrials who can beat him.

According to the website below (which only has up to the Cell Saga, with Buu, Baby, and Dragon Sagas left out), I've created some measure of Goku's strength...

Assuming Goku weighs 200 lbs…

After gravity training power level (at 500 times gravity)=180,000; feels normal at 100,000 lbs.

Regular Super Saiyan Goku in the Cell Saga’s power level= 120,000,000; feels normal at (projected) 66,666,666 lbs., or 33,333 tons.

http://www.dbzgtlegacy.com/powerlevels.shtml

Now, considering his powers increase exponentially, anywhere up to more than 300 times his power level to nowhere less than 10 times, it's not a stretch to say this is only a fraction of what he can do by the end of GT, factoring in 3 new Super Saiyan levels, sans Golden Azuru. Kao Ken can also multiply his powers, and his power level (and his experience with the upper Kai's) allows him to augment his strength will all life in the universe. And the above is stated what he feels normal at--not even lifting a finger. With beings like Superman Prime he's probably screwed, but with his martial arts training, techniques like the 'Solar Flare', chi-based energy blasts, and a whole bunch of other DBZ goodies, he's probably good enough to give the average Superman a run for his money.

Strength: Superman by a huge margin. Current Superman's strength is vast he can shatter reality with his fists, contain black holes and with help stop the Earth spiraling into the sun.

Since the previous poster mentioned GT, in that show Goku in SS4 struggled with weights in the thousands of tons.

Combat speed: Superman's reflexes are on par with his travel speed. He's crossed entire galaxies in minutes. Goku is still below light speed outside of IT.

Invulnerability: Superman. In a recent comic Superman took a blast with the power of 50 Super Nova's while in an extremly weakened state. He didn't have a scratch on him.

Also Goku doesn't have that much martial arts training, all his masters focussed on increasing his strength and Ki techniques. Superman has actually has had more martial arts taught to him than Goku has. They're equal skill wise.

As for the Solar flare working on Superman. He flies through suns, what do you think?

if any of Goku's powers are in the slightest bit magical, Superman is toast.

Indeed, Superman's never met anyone who uses magic before and beat them. Except Thor, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, Etrigan, Silver Banshee, Baal etc

Before we hype up GT Goku, lets remember things that have almost killed Goku in GT:

A flag pole
Having his limbs frozen.

Not exactly fanwanked now.

yes because even uncle knows "Magic must defeat magic"

Superman had better stop beating magical opponents then.

Just for fun of it.

Superman wins. Yes, it is that simple.

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:Probably Goku, since during the Freeza Saga he was shown to be able to augment his already gigantic power with that of all the life within his sphere of influence, provided he only took enough that didn't kill them, which seemed to be solar systems wide. Considering he's grown to magnanimous levels beyond that stage, I'd say supes would be litterally by facing the power of the whole universe, a loss.

However, he only fights people he sees as direct threats to the fate of this universe and the beings in it, which he has an intrinsic love of, the same as Superman. Thus, the fight would only occur if one of the two had gone insane.

Well the same goes for supes, he has been able to pushplanets across galaxies in a matter of weeks, punch planets in half, dive into the center of the sun, hold a pocket black hole in his hand to contain it from getting out of control and the list goes on. The problem is in the DB universe blowing up a planet shows tremendous power but in the DC universe it happens all the time and those people arent even considered the strongest.

Goku really never needs, nor wants to interfere with the natural functions of the universe, meaning planets, but it should be noted Freeza, whom is now considered pathetic in power in the DBZ world, destroyed planet Vegeta, the planet of the brutal Sayan warriors, with a single attack in his weakest form.

And Goku defeated him in a form which he has passed by leaps and bounds.

For interest:

Wikipedia Artical \"Son Goku\" wrote:In the 133rd edition (September 2002) of Wizard Magazine, a hypothetical Superman vs. Goku match up was published. Goku won the fight quite easily, needing to just tap into the first Super Saiyan level to defeat Superman.

Wizard is not a source on comic knowledge, they are a marketing corporation it's their duty to sell products not comic book information. They based their fights on opinions not facts. Two vital points to the case.
1.They first had supermans lifting capacity at 50 tons, Superman in the DC universe is in the 100 power league (meaning he can go no less than 100 tons as a max lifting weight) Heck in the All star series Supes could lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand without breaking a sweat. Granted he was exposed to alot of solar enegry.
2. they had them fight in space, Goku cant breathe in space

another account to Wizard not being a credible source is they had a Thor vs Superman battle. They had Thor wining, but even Marvel comics contacted Wizard and told them to retract the fight because even they believed Superman could beat Thor as was proven in Marvel vs DC(now here is the thing since Thor's magic, Thor uses magically enhanced elements not spells like Dr Strange. If it were a spell it would affect Superman but enhanced energy would do the damage but wouldn't harm superman as much as any other energy).

Also DBZ power fluctuates as much as Superman's strength through out time. Now yes I know when Vegeta was heading to earth he blew up a planet along the way but there is a flaw, to why he didn't just blow up earth when Kakarot refused to join them instead of fighting him. It's probably safe to assume Toriyama revamped Vegeta when he got to earth because we never see that kind of strength from Vegeta ever again, otherwise alot of the DBZ fights would have been alot shorter. From then any world destroying attacks were special attacks not relation to the persons power level. If their power levels were in relation to special attacks then they would be able to level planets easily, but they don't. Also we have to take into account the difference between power level between show and manga. Now in the Show, Buu supposedly was strong enough to destroy a galaxy (which is actually quite common in the DC universe, Pre-Crisis Superman sneezed once with enough force to destroy a galaxy, and Darkseid does it for fun), in the manga Buu's power was enough to destroy 700 planets, but not a galaxy. And superman has survived a collapsing galaxy before so i dont think alot of Goku's could even phase superman.

As I said, the Wizard's thing is "for interest"...

And I could have sworn I saw Goku breath in space once-- even Batman can do that.

And, if you haven't noticed, DBZ villans are usually cinematic and like to watch the suffering of their victims (and not having anything left to gloat about conquering when they're done). Because of stupidity like that, it's usually explained though casual narration why they don't destroy one planet from another, from being "planet merchants" like the Sayans, to building a gallatic empire like Freeza, from being a bounty for an eccentric exhibition with Goku like Cell, or Buu and Baby, who don't really care as long as they get to watch stuff die.

Now, specifically, which Superman are we talking about? There's only one Goku (abiet divided between show and magna) I know of. I'm personally assuming the usual, everyday Superman, because stuff like Superman Prime is just redcullous-- I can't think of anyone outside those manipulating space and time like the Celestrials who can beat him.

According to the website below (which only has up to the Cell Saga, with Buu, Baby, and Dragon Sagas left out), I've created some measure of Goku's strength...

Assuming Goku weighs 200 lbs…

After gravity training power level (at 500 times gravity)=180,000; feels normal at 100,000 lbs.

Regular Super Saiyan Goku in the Cell Saga’s power level= 120,000,000; feels normal at (projected) 66,666,666 lbs., or 33,333 tons.

http://www.dbzgtlegacy.com/powerlevels.shtml

Now, considering his powers increase exponentially, anywhere up to more than 300 times his power level to nowhere less than 10 times, it's not a stretch to say this is only a fraction of what he can do by the end of GT, factoring in 3 new Super Saiyan levels, sans Golden Azuru. Kao Ken can also multiply his powers, and his power level (and his experience with the upper Kai's) allows him to augment his strength will all life in the universe. And the above is stated what he feels normal at--not even lifting a finger. With beings like Superman Prime he's probably screwed, but with his martial arts training, techniques like the 'Solar Flare', chi-based energy blasts, and a whole bunch of other DBZ goodies, he's probably good enough to give the average Superman a run for his money.

Well thats not entirely accurate since there is Manga Goku and Anime Goku and they both have different powere levels. Also Goku's strength fluctuates like Supermans, while in his normal form, he did train and 500 times earths gravity, he still needed Picclo's help to lift up that bus of children during the cell saga and he struggled at 40 tons (though it may be 160 since it may have been 40 for each weight) as his first form when he fought in the Kai Tournament though according to your strength he should be able to lift it easily in his first form. I dont know really which superman to choose because it's hard to make one thats even with Goku, Superman is either to overpowered or underpowered never really equal.

Also things that supes can kinda negate
He has trained in martial arts, he studied with Batman and he had to learn Horo-Kanu a Kryptonian martial art when he fought Fiona a person who had mastered it.
Ki blasts well, since superman has flown into suns, been blasted by the many energy manipulators and laser weapons in DC i think he could cope with another form of energy.
Instant transmission when you move at the speed of light time slows down, and due to supes super senses (even being able to sense displacement in molecules in the air and in one case read the life energy given off by living beings) i think Supes could sense goku long enough to get out of the way since even if goku gets the Kamehameha off at point blank range supes could dodge it since he moves faster than the kamehameha attack.
Solar flare, well supes has gazed into the sun after all the times he visits it i dont know if would do anything. As for taking beatings well, he's fought Imperiex, Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Doomsday, General Zod,and Mongul who all have incredible strength and speed some of which he fought for weeks on end and even depowered he can still take a beating from guys like Metallo and the Leech so i guess supes can take it.

Too much letters. Brain hurts from attempt at reading.

All ill say is
1. Cool pic
2. Goku wins cause superman is overrated.

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

The Avatar of Man wrote:

Sun Runner wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:Probably Goku, since during the Freeza Saga he was shown to be able to augment his already gigantic power with that of all the life within his sphere of influence, provided he only took enough that didn't kill them, which seemed to be solar systems wide. Considering he's grown to magnanimous levels beyond that stage, I'd say supes would be litterally by facing the power of the whole universe, a loss.

However, he only fights people he sees as direct threats to the fate of this universe and the beings in it, which he has an intrinsic love of, the same as Superman. Thus, the fight would only occur if one of the two had gone insane.

Well the same goes for supes, he has been able to pushplanets across galaxies in a matter of weeks, punch planets in half, dive into the center of the sun, hold a pocket black hole in his hand to contain it from getting out of control and the list goes on. The problem is in the DB universe blowing up a planet shows tremendous power but in the DC universe it happens all the time and those people arent even considered the strongest.

Goku really never needs, nor wants to interfere with the natural functions of the universe, meaning planets, but it should be noted Freeza, whom is now considered pathetic in power in the DBZ world, destroyed planet Vegeta, the planet of the brutal Sayan warriors, with a single attack in his weakest form.

And Goku defeated him in a form which he has passed by leaps and bounds.

For interest:

Wikipedia Artical \"Son Goku\" wrote:In the 133rd edition (September 2002) of Wizard Magazine, a hypothetical Superman vs. Goku match up was published. Goku won the fight quite easily, needing to just tap into the first Super Saiyan level to defeat Superman.

Wizard is not a source on comic knowledge, they are a marketing corporation it's their duty to sell products not comic book information. They based their fights on opinions not facts. Two vital points to the case.
1.They first had supermans lifting capacity at 50 tons, Superman in the DC universe is in the 100 power league (meaning he can go no less than 100 tons as a max lifting weight) Heck in the All star series Supes could lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand without breaking a sweat. Granted he was exposed to alot of solar enegry.
2. they had them fight in space, Goku cant breathe in space

another account to Wizard not being a credible source is they had a Thor vs Superman battle. They had Thor wining, but even Marvel comics contacted Wizard and told them to retract the fight because even they believed Superman could beat Thor as was proven in Marvel vs DC(now here is the thing since Thor's magic, Thor uses magically enhanced elements not spells like Dr Strange. If it were a spell it would affect Superman but enhanced energy would do the damage but wouldn't harm superman as much as any other energy).

Also DBZ power fluctuates as much as Superman's strength through out time. Now yes I know when Vegeta was heading to earth he blew up a planet along the way but there is a flaw, to why he didn't just blow up earth when Kakarot refused to join them instead of fighting him. It's probably safe to assume Toriyama revamped Vegeta when he got to earth because we never see that kind of strength from Vegeta ever again, otherwise alot of the DBZ fights would have been alot shorter. From then any world destroying attacks were special attacks not relation to the persons power level. If their power levels were in relation to special attacks then they would be able to level planets easily, but they don't. Also we have to take into account the difference between power level between show and manga. Now in the Show, Buu supposedly was strong enough to destroy a galaxy (which is actually quite common in the DC universe, Pre-Crisis Superman sneezed once with enough force to destroy a galaxy, and Darkseid does it for fun), in the manga Buu's power was enough to destroy 700 planets, but not a galaxy. And superman has survived a collapsing galaxy before so i dont think alot of Goku's could even phase superman.

As I said, the Wizard's thing is "for interest"...

And I could have sworn I saw Goku breath in space once-- even Batman can do that.

And, if you haven't noticed, DBZ villans are usually cinematic and like to watch the suffering of their victims (and not having anything left to gloat about conquering when they're done). Because of stupidity like that, it's usually explained though casual narration why they don't destroy one planet from another, from being "planet merchants" like the Sayans, to building a gallatic empire like Freeza, from being a bounty for an eccentric exhibition with Goku like Cell, or Buu and Baby, who don't really care as long as they get to watch stuff die.

Now, specifically, which Superman are we talking about? There's only one Goku (abiet divided between show and magna) I know of. I'm personally assuming the usual, everyday Superman, because stuff like Superman Prime is just redcullous-- I can't think of anyone outside those manipulating space and time like the Celestrials who can beat him.

According to the website below (which only has up to the Cell Saga, with Buu, Baby, and Dragon Sagas left out), I've created some measure of Goku's strength...

Assuming Goku weighs 200 lbs…

After gravity training power level (at 500 times gravity)=180,000; feels normal at 100,000 lbs.

Regular Super Saiyan Goku in the Cell Saga’s power level= 120,000,000; feels normal at (projected) 66,666,666 lbs., or 33,333 tons.

http://www.dbzgtlegacy.com/powerlevels.shtml

Now, considering his powers increase exponentially, anywhere up to more than 300 times his power level to nowhere less than 10 times, it's not a stretch to say this is only a fraction of what he can do by the end of GT, factoring in 3 new Super Saiyan levels, sans Golden Azuru. Kao Ken can also multiply his powers, and his power level (and his experience with the upper Kai's) allows him to augment his strength will all life in the universe. And the above is stated what he feels normal at--not even lifting a finger. With beings like Superman Prime he's probably screwed, but with his martial arts training, techniques like the 'Solar Flare', chi-based energy blasts, and a whole bunch of other DBZ goodies, he's probably good enough to give the average Superman a run for his money.

Well thats not entirely accurate since there is Manga Goku and Anime Goku and they both have different powere levels. Also Goku's strength fluctuates like Supermans, while in his normal form, he did train and 500 times earths gravity, he still needed Picclo's help to lift up that bus of children during the cell saga and he struggled at 40 tons (though it may be 160 since it may have been 40 for each weight) as his first form when he fought in the Kai Tournament though according to your strength he should be able to lift it easily in his first form. I dont know really which superman to choose because it's hard to make one thats even with Goku, Superman is either to overpowered or underpowered never really equal.

Also things that supes can kinda negate
He has trained in martial arts, he studied with Batman and he had to learn Horo-Kanu a Kryptonian martial art when he fought Fiona a person who had mastered it.
Ki blasts well, since superman has flown into suns, been blasted by the many energy manipulators and laser weapons in DC i think he could cope with another form of energy.
Instant transmission when you move at the speed of light time slows down, and due to supes super senses (even being able to sense displacement in molecules in the air and in one case read the life energy given off by living beings) i think Supes could sense goku long enough to get out of the way since even if goku gets the Kamehameha off at point blank range supes could dodge it since he moves faster than the kamehameha attack.
Solar flare, well supes has gazed into the sun after all the times he visits it i dont know if would do anything. As for taking beatings well, he's fought Imperiex, Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Doomsday, General Zod,and Mongul who all have incredible strength and speed some of which he fought for weeks on end and even depowered he can still take a beating from guys like Metallo and the Leech so i guess supes can take it.

If they're lifting it without touching the ground, like the city in GT, all I can use to justify it rationally, besides the writers suck, is that flight by Ki is severly inaccurate and inneficient (since it's just shooting endery out of your feet) and requires intense concentration to actually move anything other than yourself.

Due to the fluctuating stats, I think this might come down to a popularity contest, unless a "standard" Superman and Goku can be met.

The Kao-Ken, Spirit-Power (Spirit-Bomb style power-up), and the Dragon Fist, along with teleportation and swats with his razor-sharp hair, seem to be the most effective weapons Goku has. Maybe some more abscure energy perjection techniques like the Destructo Disk (cuts on a molecular level) can be done on they fly, but it seems this is mostly going to be a brawl, which is luckilly where Sayans usually prosper.

Standard weapons? He hasn't used them in a while, but the shape-shifting Power Pole and Flying Nimbus I would consider "magical," though pretty weak at that.

If they're lifting it without touching the ground, like the city in GT, all I can use to justify it rationally, besides the writers suck, is that flight by Ki is severly inaccurate and inneficient (since it's just shooting endery out of your feet) and requires intense concentration to actually move anything other than yourself.

It was more a street than a City. They were using there legs as far as I remember.

Unless he has has some feats in Superman's ball park he's not competing with him. Evidence from the show suggests Goku is at a much lower level.

The Kao-Ken, Spirit-Power (Spirit-Bomb style power-up), and the Dragon Fist, along with teleportation and swats with his razor-sharp hair, seem to be the most effective weapons Goku has. Maybe some more abscure energy perjection techniques like the Destructo Disk (cuts on a molecular level) can be done on they fly, but it seems this is mostly going to be a brawl, which is luckilly where Sayans usually prosper.

The Spirit power is a non canon attack from the movies and takes too long to charge. There's no way at all Superman is loosing to Goku in a fist fight. Superman wouldn't even feel Goku's blows.

Due to the fluctuating stats, I think this might come down to a popularity contest, unless a "standard" Superman and Goku can be met.

The standard Superman would be the current post crisis Superman. Standard Goku would the Anime or Manga vesion, take your pick Superman over powers both of them.

Here's the best I could get on Post-Crisis Superman:

As Superman, he did heroic deeds in grand fashion. His body's way of metabolizing solar energy made him well-equipped for the task. He was strong enough to lift the weight of the Great Pyramid (bot not enough to juggle planets), able to move at supersonic speed (but nowhere near the speed of light), and could easily fly carrying anything he could lift. His living cells generated a sort of energy field which rendered his flesh (and close fitting garments like most of his costume) invulnerable to all but the most forceful blasts. He could hold his breath for perhaps two hours of moderate activity, and could survive the vacuum of space as well as the pressure of the ocean floor. He could cause matter to heat and burn. (Called "heat vision" because his eyes glowed as he did it.) His vision extended far beyond the normal range of visible light, enabling him to see heat trails and through solid object other than lead. His hearing allowed him to hear sounds too quiet for humans to hear, as well as those outside of the normal human audible frequency range. His senses were limited by the nature of light and sound. For instance, he can't hear anything in space, because sound doesn't travel in a vacuum. If someone yells at him from a thousand miles away, he might hear it, but it'll take more than an hour for the sound to reach his ears.

http://web.cetlink.net/~farrier/suppc.html

Depending one which Goku we choose, I think the fight could very well be even-matched.

EDIT:

Wikipedia article \"Son Goku\" on the absorbing of Spirit energy wrote:Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb)

Perhaps Goku's most powerful attack, the Genki Dama draws energy from all life and places it in a deadly ki ball. Goku uses this against many of his more powerful opponents. The downside is that he is quite vulnerable during its lengthy creation time. He can only perform this technique out of Super Saiyan. When he attempted to use it against Android 13, as a Super Saiyan, he absorbed its energy instead of throwing it, though it still fueled him to victory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_Goku_(Dragon_Ball)

And sorry-- it's "Fist of the Worlds"-- haven't paid attention to DB in a while.

We don't even need this battle; the enormous posts within this thread already threaten all life as we know it.

That description is vastly out of date. Looking at the page it only goes up to 1993. Superman has got vastly more powerful since then.

He's strong enough to move moons on his own and Planets with the help of a similar powered friend or two. He's exceeded Light speed numerous times. He also no longer needs to breath and can remain in space indefinitely.

Superman's senses have been built up to physics defying levels again. Once Lois got shot in the middle east and Superman heard this and caught her before she fell. He also has heard people screaming on other planets. Also he has super intelligence again.

Also of note his heat vision is hotter than the core of the hottest star. By a lot.

Inferno Prime wrote:That description is vastly out of date. Looking at the page it only goes up to 1993. Superman has got vastly more powerful since then.

He's strong enough to move moons on his own and Planets with the help of a similar powered friend or two. He's exceeded Light speed numerous times. He also no longer needs to breath and can remain in space indefinitely.

Superman's senses have been built up to physics defying levels again. Once Lois got shot in the middle east and Superman heard this and caught her before she fell. He also has heard people screaming on other planets. Also he has super intelligence again.

Also of note his heat vision is hotter than the core of the hottest star. By a lot.

Sounds like DC made Superman pretty lame

Spawn anyone?

Goku!!!!

He is much powerful than Superman

Spirit bomb wont work on Superman, he isnt evil just a dick.
also like i said before only magic spells work on superman, Bludgening magic items dont work on Superman, He stopped Thor's hammer with his hand for crying out loud. only cutting or piercing magically enhanced weapons work on him