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News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:25 am

It’s someone from Transformers lore that’s for sure. I don’t think it’s a new creation. Being a new character this far in would seem kind of bland.

Things from fiction that I could see as the Grand Architect is maybe something like Devil Z or hell how about the Vok?! No one has touched them since 3H they were energy beings that were architects in their own way.

News Credits: 650 · by **ScottyP** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:26 am

Counterpunch wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Optimus Prime13th wrote:Anyone else starting to think this "Grand architect" is really just a revived Pharma.

I dont think so. The grand architect is on a higher level than Tyrest and Pharma was below Tyrest so it would be a huge step up for him.

Well, tentacle people pulled him through the gate, so...

Maybe he saw something there and learned something that stepped him up?

Or maybe he's a puppet of that entity?

With Pharma being a doctor and the whole Mederi planet thing being Cybertopia, I think it's a decent theory.

I'm only like 50 pages into Eugenesis but it already has Quints ready to throw some brains into Cybertronian bodies. I'm gonna guess Pharma's body, some Quintesson leader's mind.

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:38 am

I’m not putting too much in the tentacles. Those tentacles were drawn the same way as the ones that were attacking Rodimus and Cyclonus in death of Optimus Prime.

News Credits: 3 · by **MrBlack** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:39 am

ScottyP wrote:
Counterpunch wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Optimus Prime13th wrote:Anyone else starting to think this "Grand architect" is really just a revived Pharma.

I dont think so. The grand architect is on a higher level than Tyrest and Pharma was below Tyrest so it would be a huge step up for him.

Well, tentacle people pulled him through the gate, so...

Maybe he saw something there and learned something that stepped him up?

Or maybe he's a puppet of that entity?

With Pharma being a doctor and the whole Mederi planet thing being Cybertopia, I think it's a decent theory.
I'm only like 50 pages into Eugenesis but it already has Quints ready to throw some brains into Cybertronian bodies. I'm gonna guess Pharma's body, some Quintesson leader's mind.

"The Grand Architect" is a pretty Quintesson sounding name.

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:40 am

That being said however Simon Furman always intended the Magnificence to be a Quintesson artifact. Never made it into the stories but with the Magnificance and omega guardians returning and the Quints not being in books lately perhaps James is finally bringing back one of Furman lost ideas.

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:22 am

One thing that has been on my mind is the Necro world. The big theory is Cybertron was made from that mold but I think that mold was made from Cybertron. Cybertron is natural and those planets Skids saw in Remain in light were made from that mold.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:26 am

I don't know, I'd feel a bit deflated if it turned out to be a quint, never been a big fan of them and I'm glad they've been no shows. This thing they are supposed to be up against though, I wonder if Roberts is going to have it be a monster straight out of lovecraft...unless he really screwed with people and had unicron eat all the cast so prime and the others had to fight their corrupted bodies in the main unicron series

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:54 am

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't know, I'd feel a bit deflated if it turned out to be a quint, never been a big fan of them and I'm glad they've been no shows. This thing they are supposed to be up against though, I wonder if Roberts is going to have it be a monster straight out of lovecraft...unless he really screwed with people and had unicron eat all the cast so prime and the others had to fight their corrupted bodies in the main unicron series

You just solved it. Roberts is brining back the elder gods from infestation 2!

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:05 pm

Ya know if Shockwave hadn’t made his return in OP there’d probably be a lot of speculation on him. Especially with the line “on hand or two?”

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:08 pm

Hah it still could be Shockwave :-P

all barber would have to do is push Shockwave into a portal/singularity again on the unicron series!

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:17 pm

Randomhero wrote:The grand architect has been around for at least 500 years because he was hiring black smiths around the galaxy.

Au ****, I know who it is then, it's Shockwave. Like that it ties into the Unicron story.

Does anyone here think Lost Light will still be able to be enjoyed as its own title for the next months or do we have to pick up Unicron and Optimus Prime for things to make sense going forward?

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:34 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Randomhero wrote:The grand architect has been around for at least 500 years because he was hiring black smiths around the galaxy.

Au ****, I know who it is then, it's Shockwave. Like that it ties into the Unicron story.

Does anyone here think Lost Light will still be able to be enjoyed as its own title for the next months or do we have to pick up Unicron and Optimus Prime for things to make sense going forward?

The fact that he's been pretty busy in Op tells me I don't think it's him I'm sure Roberts is keeping his stuff seperate from the rest of Idw.

I feel like it's Quintisons involved but not necessarily the grand architect themselves.

Also I'm pretty sure it was said the Lost Light wasn't going to be involved with Unicron in any way during it's run.

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:45 pm

Deadput wrote:Also I'm pretty sure it was said the Lost Light wasn't going to be involved with Unicron in any way during it's run.

That reading order checklist in Unicron 1 says otherwise

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:48 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Randomhero wrote:The grand architect has been around for at least 500 years because he was hiring black smiths around the galaxy.

Au ****, I know who it is then, it's Shockwave. Like that it ties into the Unicron story.

Does anyone here think Lost Light will still be able to be enjoyed as its own title for the next months or do we have to pick up Unicron and Optimus Prime for things to make sense going forward?

This isn’t part of Unicron. This is James story he created year and years ago. Like I mentioned over the weekend John barber did an interview with Moonbase 2 and John revealed that they both were planning on ending their series coincidently at the same time. John called James and told “I think Im at good spot to conclude my run in about a year” and James said he was planning out Lost alight and figured he had a little over a year left too and would wrap up the series and take time away.

Also Shockwave wasnt running around 500 years ago. He was in deep stasis on earth under a volcano and I wouldn’t put money it’s the other Shockwave since he’s been busy staying away from cybertronian for the most part as onyx prime.

Like I said this is James story he wrote from the beginning. He admitted that while changes here and there have happened this is the conclusion he created 7 years ago and unicron was not something they were planning till last year.

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:55 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Deadput wrote:Also I'm pretty sure it was said the Lost Light wasn't going to be involved with Unicron in any way during it's run.

That reading order checklist in Unicron 1 says otherwise

That check list is just a check list to the end of the runs and promote them going bi weekly

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:31 pm

Randomhero wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Deadput wrote:Also I'm pretty sure it was said the Lost Light wasn't going to be involved with Unicron in any way during it's run.

That reading order checklist in Unicron 1 says otherwise

That check list is just a check list to the end of the runs and promote them going bi weekly

Ok thaks, it really confused me (as you can see)

News Credits: 42 · by **TF-fan kev777** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:21 pm

Hmmm, with the apparent ripping of the fabric of time and space, I'm thinking somehow Autobot Megatron may show up.

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:31 pm

Deadput wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Randomhero wrote:The grand architect has been around for at least 500 years because he was hiring black smiths around the galaxy.

Au ****, I know who it is then, it's Shockwave. Like that it ties into the Unicron story.

Does anyone here think Lost Light will still be able to be enjoyed as its own title for the next months or do we have to pick up Unicron and Optimus Prime for things to make sense going forward?

The fact that he's been pretty busy in Op tells me I don't think it's him I'm sure Roberts is keeping his stuff seperate from the rest of Idw.

I feel like it's Quintisons involved but not necessarily the grand architect themselves.

Also I'm pretty sure it was said the Lost Light wasn't going to be involved with Unicron in any way during it's run.

James has not been part of any of the interviews that are dealing with the big finale with unicron. The only thing he’s got is I think creative input. He and Scott do get thanks for creative insight in the credits.

News Credits: 1 · by **AlphaBass** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:32 pm

Why couldn't it be Shockwave? Isn't LL running 3 weeks behind OP, given what happened on DoTL?

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:14 pm

AlphaBass wrote:Why couldn't it be Shockwave? Isn't LL running 3 weeks behind OP, given what happened on DoTL?

Optimus Prime is now like a year and half after #50 of TF. Lost Light is like what? Maybe a month or two? Just shut your brain off with trying to figure out if these two comics intersect.

That’s always been a problem since day one. Rid spanned maybe three months until dark Cybertron while MTMTE had the balls to say from issue one to dark Cybertron spanned 18 months.

RID #7-23 is like 2 days. Ironhide and the dinobots leave at dawn and literally return the next night with surperion to battle the Decepticons. That series was so condensed while MTMTE would jump months between issues.

News Credits: 1 · by **AlphaBass** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:42 pm

Yeah, I don't think it's Shockwave, given the two lines barely cross.

Elder Gods give me MK flashbacks. And let's not even consider Springer.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:51 pm

GUYS GUYS I FIGURED IT OUT: all the answers are in Heart of Darkness.

by **Ms. Trebuchette** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:23 pm

Va'al wrote:GUYS GUYS I FIGURED IT OUT: all the answers are in Heart of Darkness.

Not....sure...if....you're....serious...or....not....

Also, I've started wondering if it's Thunderwing (Thunderwing was a pretender as a toy, and we never see Thunderwing "conscious" again after he covered himself with his pretender shell in Stormbringer.)

Other, other answer is 5 time-displaced Shockwaves in a costume together cosplaying as a Quintesson!

News Credits: 3 · by **Randomhero** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:27 pm

Grindcore. He survived sideswipes beating in revelations. Him and scourge are back baby!

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:27 pm

Ms. Trebuchette wrote:
Va'al wrote:GUYS GUYS I FIGURED IT OUT: all the answers are in Heart of Darkness.

Not....sure...if....you're....serious...or....not....

Also, I've started wondering if it's Thunderwing (Thunderwing was a pretender as a toy, and we never see Thunderwing "conscious" again after he covered himself with his pretender shell in Stormbringer.)

Other, other answer is 5 time-displaced Shockwaves in a costume together cosplaying as a Quintesson!

Given that I have read this issue last Friday, I can assure you I am totally mcgoatilly serious. :saint: