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Cowboy Bebop wrote:

The radical and nearly implausible solution: Eliminate religion altogether. It does nothing but cause conflict as you can see in this thread and on a much larger scale. That's just my thoughts, I'm not completely advocating it.

Im the same. If there were no religion at all the world would be a more peaceful place.

The only way to eliminate religion is to educate people on the evidence. Not with violence or wishful thinking.

Elita One wrote:

Cowboy Bebop wrote:

The radical and nearly implausible solution: Eliminate religion altogether. It does nothing but cause conflict as you can see in this thread and on a much larger scale. That's just my thoughts, I'm not completely advocating it.

Im the same. If there were no religion at all the world would be a more peaceful place.

i dont think so, i think the world might be even more chaotic. i'm catholic, i think religion has helped civilization, not just christianity, but also islam and others. there are conflicts because of religion, but i think there would be way more conflicts and war without it, but thats just my opinion

megatron7 wrote:

Elita One wrote:

Cowboy Bebop wrote:

The radical and nearly implausible solution: Eliminate religion altogether. It does nothing but cause conflict as you can see in this thread and on a much larger scale. That's just my thoughts, I'm not completely advocating it.

Im the same. If there were no religion at all the world would be a more peaceful place.

i dont think so, i think the world might be even more chaotic. i'm catholic, i think religion has helped civilization, not just christianity, but also islam and others. there are conflicts because of religion, but i think there would be way more conflicts and war without it, but thats just my opinion

You're right. It's easy to blame religion, because wars are fought over it, so it must be causing them right?

Wrong. It is an easy reason for war. There would be wars no matter what.

The problem with religion isn't religion. It's humans.

Professor Smooth wrote:The only way to eliminate religion is to educate people on the evidence. Not with violence or wishful thinking.

Okay, Stalin. Are you always this quick to trample over the Bill of Rights? Oh wait, I bet you could go for ten years about the unconstitutionality of the PATRIOT Act but I'd bet a sawbuck or two you'd have absolutely no problem ripping up the Constitution to stamp out religion to bring about your beautiful world.

Because we all know every problem in the world would be solved by eliminating all religions, right?

And you're different than a Muslim how? You have a rigid set of beliefs that you are absolutely unwilling to concede under any circumstances (this meets the very definition of "radical" or "extremist" btw) and you basically advocate the forceful dismantling of all organized religion (violence obviously implied). I think you have more in common with radical Islamists than you think.

Maybe you should have entitled this thread, "Professor Smooth Must Be Stopped."

lkavadas wrote:

Professor Smooth wrote:The only way to eliminate religion is to educate people on the evidence. Not with violence or wishful thinking.

Okay, Stalin. Are you always this quick to trample over the Bill of Rights? Oh wait, I bet you could go for ten years about the unconstitutionality of the PATRIOT Act but I'd bet a sawbuck or two you'd have absolutely no problem ripping up the Constitution to stamp out religion to bring about your beautiful world.

Because we all know every problem in the world would be solved by eliminating all religions, right?

And you're different than a Muslim how? You have a rigid set of beliefs that you are absolutely unwilling to concede under any circumstances (this meets the very definition of "radical" or "extremist" btw) and you basically advocate the forceful dismantling of all organized religion (violence obviously implied). I think you have more in common with radical Islamists than you think.

Maybe you should have entitled this thread, "Professor Smooth Must Be Stopped."

Actually...I said that, Smooth was following that up with how to do it. And yes, if need be I would in order to achieve an end. Machiavelli ftw.

What, exactly, does the Bill of Rights or The Patriot Act have to do with me? The last time I checked, the laws of your country did not apply to people outside of it.

This seems to be a downward spiral into oblivion.

It's impossible to get rid of religion.

Everyone has the same basic need, to believe. Be it religion, science, or whatever. Everyone has to believe that there is an answer to whatever they are questioning. - Olde Drewish Saying

The child that thinks thunder is monsters fighting or the rainbow is the symbol that a deity will never flood the world again are one in the same. The fear of the unknown is humanized and given human characteristics. This is similar to when someone thinks their pet is one with the family and say, look at that face, he's thinking... The human mind likes to put puzzle pieces together, connect the dots if you will. Unfortunately, one persons dots makes a picture of the universe and another makes a picture of a strict belief system. To further question the belief system, you wreak the dots. Rational people can form new pictures, but a very few number can not and fear having their picture broken. Hence, the act of violence. This is the same for all religions.

Most religions have to go through changes when the society changes. As the society progresses, the religion progresses. There will always be the few who fear change and cause pain while it is in progress.

The middle East is currently going through this change. Unfortunately, we are witnessing/participating in it's destructive phase.

Technology progresses and knowledge progresses, eventually, the region/religion will progress. It sux but we have to wait it out.

If people wanted the war on terror/religion/Islam to end. Invest in infrastructure and technology. Image if every town have phone lines and electricity. Imagine if every town had the Internet. The ability to view other viewpoints and to form new ideas. It takes time, but change is in the air.

To HoosierDaddy and any other bible thumpers.

We can start a Christian hate thread if you like. There are plenty of arguments against it and will fill more pages than this thread has.

I don't feel that we need to start one. However, if you like, we can.

It is incorrect of us to use one religion to judge another. It's like adding with fictional numbers. It doesn't matter what the total is, if the numbers aren't real.

I would also like to point out that Islam isn't the problem. I say that because there are many places that practice and follow Islam.

For Example, Indonesia. My wife lived there for seven years when she was younger. A majority of the population practices Islam and act very different than their Middle Eastern counterparts. Indonesia is a tropical island and anybody who has ever lived on a tropical island, knows about "Island Time" or the it'll get done, when it get's done mentality. They are firm in their beliefs and they don't harm people.

There are extremists everywhere. The Bali Bombings in '02 were done by extremists, not the population. Like the 9/11 attacks were by extremists not the population as a whole.

That's where this is very dangerous ground. There are extremists that are very dangerous. However, they are the minority not the maj. Whereas this thread seems to be a hate thread directed to the religion as a whole. If Islam was as dangerous as this threads seems to be saying, then we would be at war with every country that practices Islam. That is not the case. We are at war with extremists, and as stated previously, there are extremists in every religion. Unfortunately, Islam is the current one under scrutiny. In the '90's it was the suicide gas dudes in Japan. In the '40's it was the reverse with the Holocaust. Then backtrack to all the weirdos who have killed for religion (there are A Lot and most has been done in the name of the Christain God).

It has always been the extremists that strike out at a society. There will always bee loose guns, people who cannot be counted on. We need to make it socially unacceptable and isolate the extremists.

This is the great contradiction. We, the USA, pride our selves on our individualism and the ability to stand alone. Yet, here we are fighting a loosing battle with the very element that makes us who we are.

My 'O my, the irony.