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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby kjyl » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:04 pm

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Jeep? wrote:Failing that, if it's his own personal connection to the force which allows him to be manipulated, he'd once again be able to manipulate his own bloodstream to destroy said midichlorians. Either way, it's moot, as all radiation is electromagnetic. With one pulse of gamma waves, Magneto would be able to kill anything living around him. Anything. Including your argument.


Is mags really this powerful now in the comics? if so he really took a leap into mary-suedom. and when did he start being able to generate other types of radiation?


For about 15-20 years or so. You did read the post I made where it said that he can manipulate gravity right? And that it's hinted that he controls the elemental energies that make up all matter? Also stop using buzzwords like Mary-Sue incorrectly. It makes you sounds stupid and renders your argument null. For the record Mary Sue is a fanfiction term. It originated in a Star Trek fan fiction. The new character (if you don't see her name coming I don't know what's wrong with you...) Mary Sue quickly became the most beloved member of the crew. She was better at everything then everyone else, and saved the day by dying heroicly. All the main characters mourned her. It was a parody of poopy fanfiction characters being inserted into fanfics and being better than everyone else.

Magneto is a canon character and the primary antagonist to an entire team of heroes he routinely fights by himself (Yes, he has had teams he lead in the past and present. No, he didn't always use them.), so he needs to be powerful to be a believable threat to the X-Men.



sorry, I have been using mary-sue a little sloppily. but still, that is power creep on par with super-ventrilaquism. If you cannot be a credible threat with out having complete control of matter and energy into the subatomic level, and the strongist will ever, that is just sloppy writing.

but I still hold with my first position. Mags wins unless yoda can mind trick him. so 70/30 split in magnetos favor
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Jeep? » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:29 pm

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Jeep? wrote:Also, the force stems from blood-borne bacteria. Blood. Like, laced with iron. Iron that Magento can manipulate. The second Yoda starts trying to force-push the strongest-willed individual in all of Marvel continuity, he's going to find himself very short on blood - and, thusly, midichlorians.


First off, midi-chlorians are not restricted to blood. They're present in "all living cells." Likewise, and this is important, midi-chlorians aren't the Force, but having a high midi-chlorian count can allow someone to manipulate the Force. That's the misconception that makes the "m-word" so unpopular, a lot of people took what Qui-Gon said to mean midi-chlorians WERE the Force, but they only allow one to make use of it.

Second, who says there's metal in Yoda's blood? He's not human, and barely anything is known about his species.


More types of living cell makes it far more likely that some part of Yoda's chemical makeup is a metallic element. You forget that only about twenty-five of the 117 known elements aren't metallic. Anyway, you completely missed the point that, being in complete control of his own biochemical makeup, Magneto could easily flush out or destroy any midichlorians in his own system, rendering himself immune to the force - bringing the fight down to one of fisticuffs for Yoda.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Shadowman » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:44 pm

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Jeep? wrote:Also, the force stems from blood-borne bacteria. Blood. Like, laced with iron. Iron that Magento can manipulate. The second Yoda starts trying to force-push the strongest-willed individual in all of Marvel continuity, he's going to find himself very short on blood - and, thusly, midichlorians.


First off, midi-chlorians are not restricted to blood. They're present in "all living cells." Likewise, and this is important, midi-chlorians aren't the Force, but having a high midi-chlorian count can allow someone to manipulate the Force. That's the misconception that makes the "m-word" so unpopular, a lot of people took what Qui-Gon said to mean midi-chlorians WERE the Force, but they only allow one to make use of it.

Second, who says there's metal in Yoda's blood? He's not human, and barely anything is known about his species.


More types of living cell makes it far more likely that some part of Yoda's chemical makeup is a metallic element. You forget that only about twenty-five of the 117 known elements aren't metallic. Anyway, you completely missed the point that, being in complete control of his own biochemical makeup, Magneto could easily flush out or destroy any midichlorians in his own system, rendering himself immune to the force - bringing the fight down to one of fisticuffs for Yoda.


That's of course assuming midi-chlorians are made of metal. I would venture a guess and say "No."

But I have to call shenanigans on the whole "he can also control non-magnetic, non-metal substances" thing. He can create and control electromagnetic fields and--Correct me if I'm wrong here--living organisms aren't effected by that. Much like how the human brain, which IS technically an electrical device (Bioelectrical anyway), doesn't suddenly turn off in the wake of an EMP, or why having a higher-than-average amount of iron in your blood doesn't suddenly cause a metal detector at the airport to go off.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Dead Metal » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:20 pm

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Magneto uses his powers to turn the metal of Yoda's light-saber into a blade that slashes trough Yoda from the side of his belt.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Jeep? » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:46 pm

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Jeep? wrote:Also, the force stems from blood-borne bacteria. Blood. Like, laced with iron. Iron that Magento can manipulate. The second Yoda starts trying to force-push the strongest-willed individual in all of Marvel continuity, he's going to find himself very short on blood - and, thusly, midichlorians.


First off, midi-chlorians are not restricted to blood. They're present in "all living cells." Likewise, and this is important, midi-chlorians aren't the Force, but having a high midi-chlorian count can allow someone to manipulate the Force. That's the misconception that makes the "m-word" so unpopular, a lot of people took what Qui-Gon said to mean midi-chlorians WERE the Force, but they only allow one to make use of it.

Second, who says there's metal in Yoda's blood? He's not human, and barely anything is known about his species.


More types of living cell makes it far more likely that some part of Yoda's chemical makeup is a metallic element. You forget that only about twenty-five of the 117 known elements aren't metallic. Anyway, you completely missed the point that, being in complete control of his own biochemical makeup, Magneto could easily flush out or destroy any midichlorians in his own system, rendering himself immune to the force - bringing the fight down to one of fisticuffs for Yoda.


That's of course assuming midi-chlorians are made of metal. I would venture a guess and say "No."

But I have to call shenanigans on the whole "he can also control non-magnetic, non-metal substances" thing. He can create and control electromagnetic fields and--Correct me if I'm wrong here--living organisms aren't effected by that. Much like how the human brain, which IS technically an electrical device (Bioelectrical anyway), doesn't suddenly turn off in the wake of an EMP, or why having a higher-than-average amount of iron in your blood doesn't suddenly cause a metal detector at the airport to go off.


He's not controlling non-metals. It's already been shown that he can manipulate the elemental metal in organic compounds, such as the iron in haemoglobin, or feasibly the calcium in bones, the zinc in nerve tissue, etc, etc. Metal detectors don't trigger off of chemically-bonded metal, but Magento has already used his abilities to manipulate just that. And midichlorians could be made entirely out of fairy farts, for if Magneto can control the remainder of his biochemical makeup to flush them from his body (think osmosis or simply forcing them out like a splinter in a finger), that's all he needs to do.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:02 pm

In Fatal Attractions Magneto didn't just rip out the Adamantium from Wolverine's body. He ripped out the skeleton it was bonded to as well. And the Adamantium looked 'fluid' when he ripped it out. Meaning that the bone it was bonded to was as well. How do I know the skeleton came out too? Go read Fatal Attractions. Jean clearly states that she can't help anymore because she has to telekenetically hold Jim's body together while he heals. He wouldn't have needed his body held together if he still had a skeleton.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Shadowman » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:26 pm

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Loki God Of Mischief wrote:In Fatal Attractions Magneto didn't just rip out the Adamantium from Wolverine's body. He ripped out the skeleton it was bonded to as well. And the Adamantium looked 'fluid' when he ripped it out. Meaning that the bone it was bonded to was as well. How do I know the skeleton came out too? Go read Fatal Attractions. Jean clearly states that she can't help anymore because she has to telekenetically hold Jim's body together while he heals. He wouldn't have needed his body held together if he still had a skeleton.


Did it say he no longer had a skeleton? The removal process could have just caused serious damage to his skeletal structure, as well as his muscles, skin, etc., to the point where he may very well have fallen apart. Just because he was in danger of falling apart by moving too much doesn't mean he doesn't have a skeleton.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby kjyl » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:33 pm

yeah except, for the fact that that in no way proves his skeleton was ripped out, the massive wounds could have been caused by the fact that he just had all the adamantium ripped from his body, if i remember correctly, it almost killed him getting it put in, and they were being careful. Having it all ripped out at once with no care if he survived, that is a big wound reguardless of where the bones go.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:45 pm

Yeah and they've shown Wolverine swimming before too. And that would be impossible in real life. I should have mentioned the fact that following Fatal Attractions Wolverine lost his healing factor because it went through so much shock from Fatal Attractions that it was overloaded. He begin healing and aging at a normal human pace. That didn't happen when he got the implants. Within hours of the surgery he awoke, butchered the team there, and escaped. That implies that his healing factor was active at the time. So getting it ripped out wouldn't have overloaded his healing factor. But getting it ripped out and having to regrow an entire skeleton would. It's simple logic based on past evidence and cause and effect.

Granted the metal probably helped Magneto rip out Jim's skeleton with the metal, but there's calcium in bones and just enough other minerals that Magneto can probably manipulate.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Predaprince » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:52 pm

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If there is enough metal in the body for Magneto to manipulate, then why did Mystique have to inject the iron into his guard for him to escape?
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Jeep? » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:55 pm

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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby kjyl » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:43 pm

we really dont know how long the implant proccess took, and there is massive difference between a careful surgical procedure and ripping something out of someone.

or to put it another way, putting a new hip on grandma does not cause the same amount of dammage as then ripping it out.


and if mags is that powerful why isn't he running the joint?
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Shadowman » Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:15 pm

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kjyl wrote:and if mags is that powerful why isn't he running the joint?


That's what I was thinking. If he's really this absurdly powerful, then why is House of M an alternate reality? If he's really capable of all that, why hasn't he taken over?
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Jeep? » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:46 am

In a universe filled with nigh-omnipotent entities, you're wondering why one powerful mutant isn't boss? Please.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Loki God Of Mischief » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:58 am

Magneto ruled Genosha in the comics until it was destroyed by a radical human terrorist. And before that he established a colony for mutants on an asteroid. A self sufficient colony grafted into an asteroid. Asteroid M alone should tell you that someone like Magneto is more then a match for Yoda. He designed and built a colony into an asteroid by himself. And there are other villains and heroes that are as strong or stronger then Magneto. He's happy being left the hell alone to rule the mutants who choose to follow him and live under his rule. He's similar to Dr. Doom except that Doom wants it all and Magneto is content with having a country or a colony of his own.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:31 am

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kjyl wrote:if yoda mind control powers work through mag's helmet, then it really depends on who gets the first shot. If not then magneto.


Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak minded.

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I agree the mind trick wouldnt work but I dont think the helmit would have anything to do with it.
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I'm sorry but thats not exactly correct.

magneto only removed the animatium from Wolverines body not his entire skeleton.

And yes Jean had to help him, because antimatium is also what was holding the bones together.

Predaprince wrote:If there is enough metal in the body for Magneto to manipulate, then why did Mystique have to inject the iron into his guard for him to escape?


The movie version of the character isint as powerful as the comic version.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby Predaprince » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:55 am

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Wait a minute, first your main point of this thread is that Magneto can control the metals in any creature and now you turn around and say that there are entities that are more powerful than him. There seems to be a paradox here as if what you originally tried to point out is true and Magneto can control the metals inside any creature than he would be capable of defeating both Sinister and Apocalypse and everyone else.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:07 am

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Predaprince wrote:Wait a minute, first your main point of this thread is that Magneto can control the metals in any creature and now you turn around and say that there are entities that are more powerful than him. There seems to be a paradox here as if what you originally tried to point out is true and Magneto can control the metals inside any creature than he would be capable of defeating both Sinister and Apocalypse and everyone else.


Well no....En Sabah Nur [AKA Apocalypse] and Nathan Essex [AKA Sinister] both have total control over the molecular structure of their bodies and can alter them at will.

Such an ability, I'm sure ,would negate Magnetos ability to control body metals.
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Re: magneto vs yoda

Postby snavej » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:01 pm

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If Yoda strikes quickly, he can deflect some metal missiles from Magneto and then kill him with some non-metal missiles. If Magneto makes a shield, Yoda can shoot around it. We've seen that Yoda has some precognition, mind-reading and quick reflexes so he should be able to beat Magneto.
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