The Energon Pub

Counterpunch wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:You know, I'm really not warming up to the Hasbro ML's. I guess it's the lack of sculpting detail in places, and the lack of the comic book.

This wave looks decent, Rachael looks good. But Cyclops and Cap, the heads look screwy, same with Colossus.

The Brood sculpt just looks all sorts of "WTF."

I'm not sure why you'd think Cyclops and Colossus look odd; I can understand Cap though.

Cap is a 'First Appearance' figure, meaning he's sculpted stylistically in order to replicate how the character's first comics drew him. (In this instance, poorly...)

What is wrong with the Brood Queen? Best I can tell, she looks a lot like her comic counterpart.

For Cyclops, his head isn't proportioned right, with his giant friggin' neck muscles, his head should either be slightly larger or the muscles should be smaller.

Like this Cyclops bust.


You compare that to the Cyclops figure, you can see the figure is all sorts of screwy. As for Colossus, I guess it's that they added hella-lot of detail to the figure, makes the figure look like Tim Robbins in a tin-foil suit.

As for the Brood queen, maybe it's just the pose and the angle of the shot that screams more "ooga booga scooby and shaggy" and less "I'm the ferocious queen of an alien spiecies that will kill the crap out of you and your planet."

TheMuffin wrote:Blasphemy! You can never have enough Iron Man in your collection.

I can. Two, and one of them came with the Mandarin. Though I'd still accept that War Machine Variant if I could find it.

For Cyclops, his head isn't proportioned right, with his giant friggin' neck muscles, his head should either be slightly larger or the muscles should be smaller.

See, I thought the last Cyclops was more misproportioned than this one appears to be. But maybe that was just due to the giant yellow boots.

I've read complaints on HML figures on other sites, what no one ever complained about Marvel figures until Hasbro starting making?!

Counterpunch wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:Not a comic expert, so who's the wierd robot girl?

Her name is Danger.

Basically, the X-Men's Danger Room becomes sentient after gathering data for years and years and years.

Xavier notices this as his power picks up on the newfound life, however, he does nothing about it. He tells no one.

So the program evolves and grows on its own, learning to hate Xavier and how to fight the X-Men over and over.

Eventually, it breaks out, kills some kids, and becomes one of the newer more legitimate threats to the X-Men.

(It also results in Cyclops telling Xavier to get the F out of their lives as they can no longer trust him and begin to wonder about just how much he has hidden from them.) <-My fav part...

I wish the Hasbro figures came with comics, cause that sounds absolutely awsome. And it's doubtful that they'd mess up and include an issue that had very little to do with the figure.

Since this is talk about Marvel Legends, what are some figures that had poor comic choices? That isn't to say the issues they came with were bad, just poor choices for people who didn't know who the character was. Brown suit Wolverine had a poor comic choice I think. Good issue, but it was more Psylocke oriented.

Cable came with a Caliban-centric ish, and they could have chosen a better ish to flesh out the character.

Man-Thing came with a Ultimate Marvel Team-up where he appeared a whole three or so pages, and didn't even mention his empath nature.

Finally, from what I can remember, War Machine came with a very poor choice for a pack-in comic. It was probably the War-Machine armor's first appearance, but James Rhodes wasn't even in the suit!

Oh yeah, anyone still collect the five inch Marvel figures? I have a bunch from when I was a kid, and I'm thinking I might hunt for those at yard sales and such, cause there were quite a few characters who probably won't get Legends. Plus, there were some good looking(though poorly articulated) figures in the five inch size too.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:Not a comic expert, so who's the wierd robot girl?

Her name is Danger.

Basically, the X-Men's Danger Room becomes sentient after gathering data for years and years and years.

Xavier notices this as his power picks up on the newfound life, however, he does nothing about it. He tells no one.

So the program evolves and grows on its own, learning to hate Xavier and how to fight the X-Men over and over.

Eventually, it breaks out, kills some kids, and becomes one of the newer more legitimate threats to the X-Men.

(It also results in Cyclops telling Xavier to get the F out of their lives as they can no longer trust him and begin to wonder about just how much he has hidden from them.) <-My fav part...

I wish the Hasbro figures came with comics, cause that sounds absolutely awsome.

I can give you that run of Asonishing X-Men if you want...


Side note: I really do not see what the fuss is with the lack of a comic in Marvel Legends. I'm buying the figure, isn't everyone else too? Side Side note: It was ToyBiz who decided to stop the comic inclusion, not Hasbro.

Orihime Lover wrote:I've read complaints on HML figures on other sites, what no one ever complained about Marvel figures until Hasbro starting making?!

I remember submitting a number of complaints to Toywiz. That first Spider-man/Sinister Six box set was a trainwreck.

Senor Hugo wrote:For Cyclops, his head isn't proportioned right, with his giant friggin' neck muscles, his head should either be slightly larger or the muscles should be smaller.

Cyclops needs giant friggin' neck muscles. His "optic beam" can exert great amounts of force on targets - it's not a laser - and when you exert force, there is always an equal and opposite reaction.

I've seen the math done - if a normal human projected a beam of force from his face comparable to what Cyclops has done on several occasions, his head would accelerate backwards at like 900km/h2.

Counterpunch wrote:Side note: I really do not see what the fuss is with the lack of a comic in Marvel Legends. I'm buying the figure, isn't everyone else too? Side Side note: It was ToyBiz who decided to stop the comic inclusion, not Hasbro.

I see the comic as kind of a fortune cookie. You buy a Chinese meal for the food itself, and then you get a fortune cookie as a bonus for something more to crunch on and as a little bit of fun with the fortune and all. That's why I liked the comics, cause they gave me a chance to see the character in action, with speaking parts, and what kind of emotions they have. It's like the bio on the back of the box, only a lot more fleshed out.

Another thing is that Marvel has been producing comics for almost 50 years, and have made thousands of issues by now. Even the most dilligent Marvel fan would have a hard time keeping track of every character or issue and event that's happend over that amount of time, or even having the issue. What Legends did was allow newbies to get a feel for the character when they bought it, and some Legends have been pretty obscure and not exactly mainstream, like Man-Thing, Deathlok, Iron Fist, etc., so it also gave those characters some attention. Finally, some of the issues included in the Legends were color reprints of issues that can go for a lot of money, and it gives fans a chance to read up on classic adventures without shelling out tons of money. Essentials are for that too, and are great, but those are in black and white. Same deal, but it's nice to see things in color.

Duke of Luns wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Side note: I really do not see what the fuss is with the lack of a comic in Marvel Legends. I'm buying the figure, isn't everyone else too? Side Side note: It was ToyBiz who decided to stop the comic inclusion, not Hasbro.

I see the comic as kind of a fortune cookie. You buy a Chinese meal for the food itself, and then you get a fortune cookie as a bonus for something more to crunch on and as a little bit of fun with the fortune and all. That's why I liked the comics, cause they gave me a chance to see the character in action, with speaking parts, and what kind of emotions they have. It's like the bio on the back of the box, only a lot more fleshed out.

Another thing is that Marvel has been producing comics for almost 50 years, and have made thousands of issues by now. Even the most dilligent Marvel fan would have a hard time keeping track of every character or issue and event that's happend over that amount of time, or even having the issue. What Legends did was allow newbies to get a feel for the character when they bought it, and some Legends have been pretty obscure and not exactly mainstream, like Man-Thing, Deathlok, Iron Fist, etc., so it also gave those characters some attention. Finally, some of the issues included in the Legends were color reprints of issues that can go for a lot of money, and it gives fans a chance to read up on classic adventures without shelling out tons of money. Essentials are for that too, and are great, but those are in black and white. Same deal, but it's nice to see things in color.

So...You don't want a whole run of Astonishing X-Men volumes 1 through 3 bound up in a nice little zip file for your viewing pleasure?

Counterpunch wrote:I can give you that run of Asonishing X-Men if you want...

Counterpunch wrote:

Duke of Luns wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Side note: I really do not see what the fuss is with the lack of a comic in Marvel Legends. I'm buying the figure, isn't everyone else too? Side Side note: It was ToyBiz who decided to stop the comic inclusion, not Hasbro.

I see the comic as kind of a fortune cookie. You buy a Chinese meal for the food itself, and then you get a fortune cookie as a bonus for something more to crunch on and as a little bit of fun with the fortune and all. That's why I liked the comics, cause they gave me a chance to see the character in action, with speaking parts, and what kind of emotions they have. It's like the bio on the back of the box, only a lot more fleshed out.

Another thing is that Marvel has been producing comics for almost 50 years, and have made thousands of issues by now. Even the most dilligent Marvel fan would have a hard time keeping track of every character or issue and event that's happend over that amount of time, or even having the issue. What Legends did was allow newbies to get a feel for the character when they bought it, and some Legends have been pretty obscure and not exactly mainstream, like Man-Thing, Deathlok, Iron Fist, etc., so it also gave those characters some attention. Finally, some of the issues included in the Legends were color reprints of issues that can go for a lot of money, and it gives fans a chance to read up on classic adventures without shelling out tons of money. Essentials are for that too, and are great, but those are in black and white. Same deal, but it's nice to see things in color.

So...You don't want a whole run of Astonishing X-Men volumes 1 through 3 bound up in a nice little zip file for your viewing pleasure?

Counterpunch wrote:I can give you that run of Asonishing X-Men if you want...

No thank you. I prefer having the actual issue in hand, and I'm sure I'll be able to get the back issues someday for cheap. What issues does the Danger run entail? I've read Astonishing X-men 1-6, and a couple of the more recent issues.

And for the sake of it....Where's my Darkhawk figure Hasbro!! That is one Legend I'm SURE to buy. And is he in Civil War anywhere? My bro and I got a good chunk of Civil War issues, mostly through cheap comic lots, but we haven't gotten any in a few months. He was mentioned in the Civil War files, so it's possible he appears.

Counterpunch wrote:So...You don't want a whole run of Astonishing X-Men volumes 1 through 3 bound up in a nice little zip file for your viewing pleasure?

Counterpunch wrote:I can give you that run of Asonishing X-Men if you want...

Were you ever able to acquire everything you were looking for in the original Deadpool Series?

Caelus wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:For Cyclops, his head isn't proportioned right, with his giant friggin' neck muscles, his head should either be slightly larger or the muscles should be smaller.

Cyclops needs giant friggin' neck muscles. His "optic beam" can exert great amounts of force on targets - it's not a laser - and when you exert force, there is always an equal and opposite reaction.

I've seen the math done - if a normal human projected a beam of force from his face comparable to what Cyclops has done on several occasions, his head would accelerate backwards at like 900km/h2.

Good thing Cyclops isn't a normal human, instead a mutant whos DNA gave him the ability to fire optic blasts. Not to mention, as we've seen on several occassions the body of a mutant conforms to their mutant power. Angel's bone structure is light and hollow like a birds to allow him to fly.

So I wouldn't be surprised that Cyclop's body is built to withstand the recoil force from his own blasts.

Senor Hugo wrote:

Caelus wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:For Cyclops, his head isn't proportioned right, with his giant friggin' neck muscles, his head should either be slightly larger or the muscles should be smaller.

Cyclops needs giant friggin' neck muscles. His "optic beam" can exert great amounts of force on targets - it's not a laser - and when you exert force, there is always an equal and opposite reaction.

I've seen the math done - if a normal human projected a beam of force from his face comparable to what Cyclops has done on several occasions, his head would accelerate backwards at like 900km/h2.

Good thing Cyclops isn't a normal human, instead a mutant whos DNA gave him the ability to fire optic blasts. Not to mention, as we've seen on several occassions the body of a mutant conforms to their mutant power. Angel's bone structure is light and hollow like a birds to allow him to fly.

So I wouldn't be surprised that Cyclop's body is built to withstand the recoil force from his own blasts.

Then again, Cyclops has banged Jean, Jean clone (Madelyn), and Emma Frost.

I'm pretty sure he can do anything.

[quote="Counterpunch"

Then again, Cyclops has banged Jean, Jean clone (Madelyn), and Emma Frost.[/quote]


cyclops====badass

ionacus wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:
Then again, Cyclops has banged Jean, Jean clone (Madelyn), and Emma Frost.

cyclops====badass

Word-up.

Talk about Legendary...

Duke of Luns wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:Side note: I really do not see what the fuss is with the lack of a comic in Marvel Legends. I'm buying the figure, isn't everyone else too? Side Side note: It was ToyBiz who decided to stop the comic inclusion, not Hasbro.

I see the comic as kind of a fortune cookie. You buy a Chinese meal for the food itself, and then you get a fortune cookie as a bonus for something more to crunch on and as a little bit of fun with the fortune and all. That's why I liked the comics, cause they gave me a chance to see the character in action, with speaking parts, and what kind of emotions they have. It's like the bio on the back of the box, only a lot more fleshed out.

Another thing is that Marvel has been producing comics for almost 50 years, and have made thousands of issues by now. Even the most dilligent Marvel fan would have a hard time keeping track of every character or issue and event that's happend over that amount of time, or even having the issue. What Legends did was allow newbies to get a feel for the character when they bought it, and some Legends have been pretty obscure and not exactly mainstream, like Man-Thing, Deathlok, Iron Fist, etc., so it also gave those characters some attention. Finally, some of the issues included in the Legends were color reprints of issues that can go for a lot of money, and it gives fans a chance to read up on classic adventures without shelling out tons of money. Essentials are for that too, and are great, but those are in black and white. Same deal, but it's nice to see things in color.

Duke pretty much sums up how I feel about the comics. I don't buy a lot of comics anymore, but I do like an occasional trade paperback / graphic novel or one-off comic. I used to have tons of GI Joe and Spider-Man comics. Too bad those are all gone. At least I managed to get a Web of Spider-Man #1 for $8 a few months back... which is how much I paid for my first copy over ten years ago.

As for Toy Biz figures, they do sometimes have a "cheap" feel to them. But I haven't had many problems with the figures I've bought (ML, SM, XMC), aesthetic or physical. I do have an X2 Nightcrawler with a broken shoulder that is in dire need of repair. I just wish it had happened when the figures were still on the pegs, as I could have bought a replacement.

I got myself a mohawk variant Storm from Series 8.

I've seen less of these in my life than the much vaunted Dark Phoenix.

Well, I got her for $35, which is an alright price I assume after seeing what she goes for regularly on eBay.

Funny, the first thing I did after opening her was to remove her cape and have myself that early 80's version of her. (Like from the comic that came with the Cyclops figure, where the two of them fight for leadership of the X-men)

For Spike: RE: X3 Jean no longer looks like the guy from X-Files

She's actually...pretty?

Counterpunch wrote:For Spike: RE: X3 Jean no longer looks like the guy from X-Files

She's actually...pretty?

Whoa, why the hell does Wolverine look like Abe Lincoln there?

"Four score and seven years ago, I was the best there is as what I do, bub."

Senor Hugo wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:For Spike: RE: X3 Jean no longer looks like the guy from X-Files

She's actually...pretty?

Whoa, why the hell does Wolverine look like Abe Lincoln there?

"Four score and seven years ago, I was the best there is as what I do, bub."

It's Ultimate Wolverine...::wank::::Wank;; Of every ML that has been done, I could do without the Ultimate versions.

Counterpunch wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:For Spike: RE: X3 Jean no longer looks like the guy from X-Files

She's actually...pretty?

Whoa, why the hell does Wolverine look like Abe Lincoln there?

"Four score and seven years ago, I was the best there is as what I do, bub."

It's Ultimate Wolverine...::wank::::Wank;; Of every ML that has been done, I could do without the Ultimate versions.

True, although there are a few badass Ultimate versions that should get a toy, like Thor, and Ultimate Hulk with raging boner action and Betty Ross terrified figure.

Though I will get Ultimate Nightcrawler when/if I can find it.

Yeah, Phoenix does look infinitely better now. Thank God. I was really hoping that Hasbro wouldn't let me down... I mean, this is the company that brings me Star Wars, Transformers, and GI Joe. All my... our... childhood favorites. (And you know they're making a killing because of that.)

the new marvel icon series is at my walmart with doctor doom and the punisher

I actually really want that Yellowjacket figure.

Pym has always been one of my favorite characters.

Ugh, why does Wolvie look so TERRIBLE! ><;