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Who do you think would kick whos ass in a real fight Optimus or megatron because it looked to me that Megatron could kick Optimus' ass any day from what I saw in the movie and he only died because Sam inserted the AllSpark into his chest, so who do you think should have won?

Depends on which universe. In G1, Prime and Megatron were pretty even, though Prime usually, but not always, came out on top. The same with Beast Wars. (Even more so after Primal became Optimal Optimus, and before Megatron went Transmetal 2)

RID Prime and Unicron Trilogy Prime may not have been so good. Armada aside, they were all heavily dependent on Super Modes. In the movie, Megatron really only had the upper hand in his agility, and being an alien jet.

I'm not sure bout animated, mostly because we haven't seen a Prime/Megs 1-on-1 yet. (It's gotta happen some time)

I'd go with Megatron in G1 since he's more ruthless, but as has been pointed out, Prime pretty much won out... usually. He must have that undefinable equalizing quality. Don't know what it is.

Me, Grimlock! wrote:I'd go with Megatron in G1 since he's more ruthless, but as has been pointed out, Prime pretty much won out... usually. He must have that undefinable equalizing quality. Don't know what it is.

It's Murphy's Theory of Fictional Oneupmanship: Any early attack will be countered with an equal or significantly more powerful attack.

animated megs will probably be abl to slice prime into pieces with his heli rotors. no way a firetruck could beat a helicopetr.

Shadowman wrote:

Me, Grimlock! wrote:I'd go with Megatron in G1 since he's more ruthless, but as has been pointed out, Prime pretty much won out... usually. He must have that undefinable equalizing quality. Don't know what it is.

It's Murphy's Theory of Fictional Oneupmanship: Any early attack will be countered with an equal or significantly more powerful attack.

No, it's really called the writers.

Shadowman wrote:I'm not sure bout animated, mostly because we haven't seen a Prime/Megs 1-on-1 yet. (It's gotta happen some time)

Um... yes we have, they fight one on one in the PILOT and Megatron was kicking Prime's arse with one hand missing.

G1, Megs is slightly stronger as evidence by his killing Prime in the movie.

BW are about even.

RID are equilly lazy but Megatron has an advantage of having 6 modes.

A/E/C are preddy even.

Movie, Prime would have killed himself and didn't even think about useing the All Spark on Megatron. I don't think he's really dead though.

Animated, Megs is WAY stronger.

I think that Megatron is more powerful and ruthless. If Prime and Megatron had an arm wrestling match, Megatron would probably win if the outcome was only for show. With that said, Prime's greatest strength is his calm deameanor in battle. If anyone has ever sparred in martial arts or boxing, you know that the calm guy with skill and experience, always light on their feet, comes out on top.

IDW Megs appears to be many times stronger then Optimus, but most of his new strength comes from Ore-13.

megatron would win

Carnosaur wrote:megatron would win

agreed. Wholeheartedly so.

Optimus would win! Megatron may be stronger and more ruthless in certain series but Optimus will always have the edge because he believes with his last spark what he's fighting for. He may lose battles here and there but in the end he will triumph.

Except in RID, and Cybertron, Megatron kicks Primes ass!

Liege Evilmus wrote:Except in RID, and Cybertron, Megatron kicks Primes ass!

Not really in Cybertron. They go back and forth depending on who gets a cyber planet key or who gets a link up. In the end though Prime kills Megatron (Galvatron). And again regardless if Megatron beats Prime in more battles Prime in the end would win. No matter how much we love the bad guys sometimes we all want good to triumph over evil. Certain storylines or series may give megs the edge but in the end the very end Prime wins.

Saber Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote:I'm not sure bout animated, mostly because we haven't seen a Prime/Megs 1-on-1 yet. (It's gotta happen some time)

Um... yes we have, they fight one on one in the PILOT and Megatron was kicking Prime's arse with one hand missing.

Which fight in the pilot, the one where Starscream blows up Megatron, or the other one where Ratchet and Prowl were also fighting, and ended with Prime kicking Megatron out of an airlock during reentry?

I suggest you start at about 3:50.

Shadowman wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote:I'm not sure bout animated, mostly because we haven't seen a Prime/Megs 1-on-1 yet. (It's gotta happen some time)

Um... yes we have, they fight one on one in the PILOT and Megatron was kicking Prime's arse with one hand missing.

Which fight in the pilot, the one where Starscream blows up Megatron, or the other one where Ratchet and Prowl were also fighting, and ended with Prime kicking Megatron out of an airlock during reentry?

I suggest you start at about 3:50.

Starscream blowing up Megatron can not be called a "fight". A fight would be 2 sided with one side at least trying to defend himself or fight back. That was just planting a bomb wich give no chance for the other side to fight back or defend himself.

Anyway, Megatron was kicking Prime's arse all over the place. He had Prime by the throte which really makes no sence because they're robots, are in space where there's no air, and breathing for the first 2 reasons is not an issue. Then Megatron had him on the ground. Where in that fight did Optimus ever show any signs of physical superiority over Megatron? No where. He defeated Megatron by opening the air lock only and while Megatron was destracted by the All Spark and the first time Optimus gained the upper hand was allso while Megatron was being destracted by the other Autobots.

Megatron's easily destracted, especially when he's outnumbered and missing an arm. The other Autobots weren't there twards the end and he surely would have beat Prime if he hadn't opened the Air lock and Prime knew that.

This all added to the fact the people who make the show even said the Autobots would be physically weaker than the Decepticons. It's a bunch of war machines vs. repair bots, the Autobots should be weaker and I'm glad this series is actully showing that insted of making both sides look like war bots.

Even repair robots can rise up and challenge war machines. Prime example. (no pun intended) A little history here. Hitler was so sure his physically superior well oiled and trained perfect race would destroy in the olympics in every event. They did not. Who he considered inferior which was everyone rose up and againts what seemed impossible odds did the impossible! Autobots depending what series your talking about really are'nt less experienced in war. They've been doing it for millions of years along with the Decepticons and are just as capable war machines! Like i said depending on the series. In the end though i would think Prime would win. He fights for whats right and just!

I think of it like this. Megs might be strong and ruthless as hell, and able to beat Prime easily, but there are a few things that would help give Prime an edge. He fights to protect, be it a planet, it's people or other something else. He's willing to sacrifice himself for that cause, so having that responsibility and knowing what would happen to what he holds sacred if he fails would drive him to fight with everything he has. I could see him totally beat up by Megs, unable to move, and about an inch from death. But something within his spark gives him the strength to get up and deliver Megsy the final blow.

Megatron on the other hand only lives to conquer and destroy, so I'd doubt he could have the same driving feelings that Prime would.

Chevy_Ironhide wrote:I think of it like this. Megs might be strong and ruthless as hell, and able to beat Prime easily, but there are a few things that would help give Prime an edge. He fights to protect, be it a planet, it's people or other something else. He's willing to sacrifice himself for that cause, so having that responsibility and knowing what would happen to what he holds sacred if he fails would drive him to fight with everything he has. I could see him totally beat up by Megs, unable to move, and about an inch from death. But something within his spark gives him the strength to get up and deliver Megsy the final blow.

Megatron on the other hand only lives to conquer and destroy, so I'd doubt he could have the same driving feelings that Prime would.

Exactly! Prime would give his life Megatron would not. If he did he could'nt conquer the universe! Prime would find a way!

Optimus,he's a scrapper..when. Many times meg fled,when he was solo,
or his soldiers were.....opt would continue. Good guy,but...movie wise..
it was a little strange..to die that easy.

Toons..he took on motormaster from the stunts....mashed em. So in a
brawl,pit fight...no extra nothing,no armament...optimus. Meg,is
a little more powerful in armament,but would rather shoot than fight.
Optimus...not as..but..takes bits out like a riot shot gun.,then...
finish em. He's not dependant on armament.

As megs is ruthless,opt is a scientist..warrior..peaceful guys..when,
can be as vicious,or..... . Optimus,never was reped right..movie wise.
series says it all......grim......

Saber Prime wrote:G1, Megs is slightly stronger as evidence by his killing Prime in the movie.

You mean that fight where Prime lost because Hot Rod got in the way? Sorry, not seeing how that proves Megs is stronger. Less honourable, sure.

Chevy_Ironhide wrote:I think of it like this. Megs might be strong and ruthless as hell, and able to beat Prime easily, but there are a few things that would help give Prime an edge. He fights to protect, be it a planet, it's people or other something else. He's willing to sacrifice himself for that cause, so having that responsibility and knowing what would happen to what he holds sacred if he fails would drive him to fight with everything he has. I could see him totally beat up by Megs, unable to move, and about an inch from death. But something within his spark gives him the strength to get up and deliver Megsy the final blow.
Megatron on the other hand only lives to conquer and destroy, so I'd doubt he could have the same driving feelings that Prime would.

And that is exactly what happened in the 86 movie. I'm voting for Prime

Well, that depends on what universe we're talking about.

Usually Optimus and Megatron are pretty evenly matched. But Michael Bay's Megatron was a freakin' monster.

Usually Optimus and Megatron are about the same size, but movie Megatron was huge. Matter of fact, all the Decepticons looked like they were on steroids in that film.

Anyway, this question is kind of hard to answer because neither of them seems to ever be able to completely defeat the other.
If one kills the other, they always come back to life and it starts all over again.

Though my honest opinion is that ultimately, Optimus is the real winner.