The Energon Pub

Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:08 am

The head looks fantastic!!
Looks a lot less flat when painted..!

.BBA

Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:36 pm

I think this is one of the best peices I've seen! Job well done!

Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:46 pm

Mega-Prime wrote:I think this is one of the best peices I've seen! Job well done!

thanks

well i,ve taken a risk... some of the bodie,s aspects was bugging so i made some changes..... arms have gone a bit up the main body has been trim down , and the details on the stomach has changed as well.... and i think it looks so much better !!

so allot more changes are coming as well so that this piece will look fantastic !!

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:26 am

i was just sitting there looking at both.. and personally.. i looks damn fine to me........

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:28 am

I like the way the head looks in the picture Tramp posted better, but your head is still pretty impressive anemis!

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:46 pm

this is what i really hate and love.... a challenge.... i made a mistake yesterday because the rear wheels were supposed to be on the rear of the shoulders armors.... BUT it could not work because of the transformation and would have needed to be installed on the front !!! ..... so i had to find a solution..... i incorporated them in the upper chest piece !!! and they,re hidden perfectly and work !!!

i had to try 3 different systems before i found the right one !!! so here it is !! and the transformation sequence ... enjoy !!!

Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:20 am

Not offense to Tramp, because I'm no expert and that transformation could be a more accurate, but it doesn't look like an attractive car model to me. It kinda looks like a space el camino, while anemis' alt mode looks more streamline like a rocket car.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:30 pm

nobody1898 wrote:Not offense to Tramp, because I'm no expert and that transformation could be a more accurate, but it doesn't look like an attractive car model to me. It kinda looks like a space el camino, while anemis' alt mode looks more streamline like a rocket car.

BINGO !!

for what i,ve seen elita,s alt mode is VERY SIMILAR to blurr wit the front look and the antennas on top and windshields.... NOT ALL cybertronians are TRUCKS like for example arcee SOME are and SOME arent and it,s not with a HALF front picture that you can make ANY DEDUCTIONS so a car or a truck is ACCEPTABLE until PROVEN otherwise

and the alt mode is still being done..... will be a mix of arcee and blurr...

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:14 pm

My understanding of this project is, this is a MP STYLE Elita-1, not an actual G1 based model, like MP Prime. So since Anemis is making this BASED on images he's seen, its up to interpritation, and not to be taken as 100% G1 accurate. This is a Elita bases on the bots of the series (aka Blur) and it looks good, and thats ALL that matters. Being that this is a scratchbuild, and NOT a prduction model.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:35 pm

Tramp wrote:Actually, the MP line are supposed to be 100% G1 accurate. MP Prime was fully 100% G1 accurate to the cartoon and comic. Elita-One is nothing like Blurr in either transformation, nor vehicle mode. IF anything, it is more like Cybertron Override, but even then, there are differences, particularly the arm transformation.

No there not, that argument went out the window when Starscream came out.

As for Elita-1s transformation, The first clip is family guy and thus plays no part in this. As for the other one her cockpit may be over the wheels, but she also has an extended front end, that is reminiscent of blur, though perhaps not quite as long. The cockpit is over the wheels, and the head is behind the cockpit, but the arms appear to unfold from the sides and underneath the cockpit where those fenders are. Went ahead and got out my DVD copy and watched in slow mo and the angle definitely appears to come from under rather then folding form behind. Also there appears to be very little area behind her head meaning that their isn't any kind of bed back there.

I think Anemis has a pretty accurate toon alt mode design except the legs are to long and thus give it to long a hood. If he had them slide into the thigh and thus shrink the length by an inch or so it would probably be closer. Based on the animation a panel folds up from her thighs to cover the cockpit that sinks into the chest and the legs appear to extend, though its hard to tell since the image ends at the knee.

The Dreamwave version doesn't even match up with the animation version. You can't really use the two as mutual references because there are so many changed details between them, and I'm not even sure we ever saw an alt mode in the Dreamwave books so you can't say what they were actually going for.

But what Anemis has there is close to the Dreamwave bot mode and other then the length of the hood/legs pretty close to the animation vehicle mode. Regardless its his kitbash and thus he could make her into a giant dodo bird and it would really make a difference.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:37 pm

Tramp wrote:(everything)

I think you're missing the point.

NOBODY CARES! if he doesn't build it just like the G1 Elita.

NOBODY CARES!!! if he does a streamline car instead of a truck.

If Anemis' way irks you to such a degree you have to post three times in a row to get a point across that no one else but you is worried about, then I suggest you go build your own perfect-grade MP Elita-1 the way you think it should be.

While doing that, I'd suggest leaving Anemis alone. The alt mode will be a mix of Elita and Blurr. Just like Anemis said. And it'll look great.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:59 pm

Amen

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:29 pm

Tramp wrote:Actually, the MP Starscream is as close to accurate as you can get

You were just babbling on about how the line's supposed to be 100% G1 accurate. Not close to.

And personally, I thought the prototype looked much closer. (And I wouldn't call it 100%) And don't come back about your opinion on this one, because I really don't care. You can like the second one and call it more accurate to your heart's content, and I won't argue.

Secondly, Elita-One's canopy is not nearly as extended as you think. It isn't any more extended than Override's, which is why Override's transformation, is more accurate except for the arms. It isn't like Blurr's at all.

And Tentagill, watch the transformation again. The arms definately come from behind her cockpit. I watched her transformation a good dozen or so times to make sure. The arms come out from behind the cockpit and rotate down at the shoulders to her sides. They don't come out from under her cockpit.

Again. Nobody cares.

EDIT: I also have to say, as an outsider it really ticks me off that your gung-ho, "it has to be the way I SAY it is, because it's RIGHT!" attitude drove Anemis to post that poll. I hope the whole damn board calls it a car just for spite. Critiques should help, not question the concept someone has come up with--for themselves and no one else.

It really isn't my place to be angry on this one, but damn it if that didn't set me off.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:57 pm

Ah. Magnus. A Prime repaint. Like the G1 version. Hard to mess that one up.

Anyway. Getting back on subject, I think the work is coming out wonderfully. I think you should keep doing what you originally intended to do, and we'll help you along the way if you need any pointers. Feel free to ask.

Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:26 pm

Tramp wrote:Actually, the MP Starscream is as close to accurate as you can get, except for the Japanese version's colors, which the US version is rectifying.
Secondly, Elita-One's canopy is not nearly as extended as you think. It isn't any more extended than Override's, which is why Override's transformation, is more accurate except for the arms. It isn't like Blurr's at all.

And Tentagill, watch the transformation again. The arms definately come from behind her cockpit. I watched her transformation a good dozen or so times to make sure. The arms come out from behind the cockpit and rotate down at the shoulders to her sides. They don't come out from under her cockpit.

I have to disagree, I watched the dvd in slow motion and her arms are not folding in from behind at all. In fact they basically appear out of nowhere at the shoulder point on the sides of the cockpit and then the arms appear coming from underneath not from behind just as the fenders fade out which appears to me at least to mean the arms are the fenders in a simliar fashion to Blurr.

Actually looking at it I can definitely see the connections with Override as well. However where Override has the legs on the outside and around the hood forming fenders Elita-1 has them under the the hood with her arms forming fenders on the side. Her legs are probably fslid into each other partially so the front wheels are at the upper calf or lower thigh right in front of the windshield. Her rear wheels are most likely right behind the head on the upper are at the back of the fenders.

When she transforms she basically stands up with her legs extending, the hood flipping up to cover the cockpit, her head folds up, the back folds down to make her upper back as the arms fold out from the fenders and sides and her legs fully extend. Realistically its actually a very simple transformation. And the more I look at all the pictures you link to the less I see a truck and the closer I think Anemis got it other then the legs/hood on his version being a little overally long which could be fixed by having the legs slide into to each other

Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:04 pm

Tramp wrote:The arms do not form the fenders. They rotate around from behind her cockpit facing backwards in vehicle mode. The front wheels and fenders are her calves

Nothing in the animation or any pictures you've linked to show any evidence of her arms being behind her at all. Watching that scene in slow motion from the DVD shows the shoulders simply appearing and then the arms coming up from the bottom of the screen, at no point does anything fold in from behind her. And as for the fenders being her calves then they shrink dramatically and change color when she transforms because those fenders are no where in site on her legs, and yet her arms are the exact same color.

Everything points to them being the fenders, however you continue to refuse that even though nothing you've shown points to them coming from anywhere else. I've watched the YouTube video you linked to. I've watched the DVD copy I have in slow motion to get a better look at a higher resolution, from what little we have to go on her arms are not coming from behind her regardless of how much you want people to believe it and her alt mode is obviously closer to a sports car of some kind then it is a truck and I think Anemis's version though far from a perfect representation of the animation model is much closer then your own.

Unless you can show something to back up your statement I have to say your wrong on this. That facts you've posted don't back you up this time.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:41 am

Simply Hasbro's G1 designers DIDNT Design a transformation for Elita-1 past that there Parts that are shared in both modes. The fact that her arms APPEAR proves this (find me a vintage Elita-concept sheet and I'll change my tune) But as far as the "provided" example, their worthless, Why? Because in the G1 screenshot is concerned you only see her friont half, The Videogame Mod..HOW THE F*Ck can that be considered Proof, its a custome made game mod, and the "drawing" isnt proof its a visual representation of AN OPINION of how she transforms. There is ZERO proof out there that can provide a 100% instruction on how to transform Elita, So Anemis did what he's good at, making it up as he goes, and it works! SO DROP THE SUBJECT!!!!! If someone doesnt agree with you, argue if the WHOLE forum disagrees.. DROP THE SUBJECT AND MOVE ON, YOUR OBVIOUSLY NOT RIGHT!!!

Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:52 am

I think one of the major thinks we are glossing over is the fact that this figure is based mostly off dreamwave's G1 version of her. Which has some major differences from the cartoon. and as for her vehicle modes we can make no definative statements about her back end.

I'm taking her extremely short appearence in alt mode and transformation with a grain of salt. Do to G1 animation, perspective, and morphing I have a hard time determining proportions, and the location of the arms. I know they swing forward but that tells me very little about where they rest in vehicle mode as I can think of many reason they would swing forward without being positioned straight back.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:39 pm

ya know. how about there is an other thread started to argue over this dumb crap. i just want to see marks project. i dont give a damn about the arguement. i can care less. i think MOST of us do . so please. drop the crap. as its been said before. WHO CARES..................... go argue elsewhere.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:42 pm

NO... only YOU care... and obviously NOONE ELSE cares about your opinion.......... it should have been done with a while ago... BUT NO lets drag the arguement out as long as possible... again i say. NO ONE CARES

Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:49 pm

Tramp I'm looking closely at the screencaps you posted, and and I actually think they go against your point. Look at the circle design on her shoulder, as she transformers its rolling backwards not forwards, which indicated the entire arm is actually turning backwards out of the shoulder rather forwards from the back. Not to mention her lower arm is never scene in those caps its behind Primes arms the entire time and thus you can't tell where its folding from at all. The fender that you claim is part of her leg disappears as soon as she stands and matches the arms in coloring and general shape fairly constantly. I'm still not seeing anything that even remotely proves your opinion on this.

The actual position of the shoulder doesn't even move that much since as the chest folds in and she stands completely her torso thins but the arm doesn't actually shift forward it jsut tilts down slightly.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:52 pm

I just want to see the finished product...I think the builder of a scratchbuilt kit should be allowed to take certain liberties with his own work, so if he wants to invision the transformation as a car, so be it!! I like to look so far and the "accurate" pic that was posted earlier of the truck mode does nothing for me..it just looks clunky..Anyway thats my opinion.

Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:31 pm

altho it really doesn't matter, I do agree with Tramp about the arms comming from the back of the vehical

Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:41 pm

I think we may have made posting pictures of his progress not fun for anemis anymore.

Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:48 pm

I agree... this topic isn't very fun to read any more. If we could move the "discussions" about form and function to the poll about whether she's a car or truck, then we could get back to enjoying anemis' awesome creation.