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Ok, word's out that Hasbro like War for Cybertron so much that they've declared it cannon. So now that means Zeta part of the lore now, and I managed to get a glimspe of him and he kinda looks like the Prime before Optimus from Optimus's spotlight because he's holding a staff... So now can we assume that WAS him and NOT Sentinel - since he looked so different in Megatron's origins book?





These look more similar than Sentinel Prime did in Megatron's origin book

Where did you get this info off of?

Are they declaring this as the sole canon, or is this another canon among the Tf 'multiverse?'

Just asking to clarify a few things...

Ok, realllllly stupid question i'm sure,

But what does it mean that its been declared "cannon"?

Zombie Starscream wrote:Where did you get this info off of?

Are they declaring this as the sole canon, or is this another canon among the Tf 'multiverse?'

Just asking to clarify a few things...

It was either High Moon Studios, or Hasbro, I can't remember which, but they said it was officially canon, now.

As for the multiverse, no one's brought it up, and we know the game takes place before G1, so it's safe to assume it's official canon in the main universe.

5150 Cruiser wrote:Ok, realllllly stupid question i'm sure,

But what does it mean that its been declared "cannon"?

Cannon means official. So, now it means that WFC is officially part of the G1 storyline. Telling what happened right before the start of More Than Meets The Eye.

*possible WFC spoilers*

If it's canon then sentinel prime can still exist because the War For Cybertron story suggests that multiple Primes were active at the same time also like the movieverse, WFC suggests that you are pretty much 'born' a Prime which means the whole Matrix turning them into Primes thing has gone out the window with this new canon as well, hell now Optimus is as far as we know the only one to ever have the matrix of leadership.

But does it matter what they decide is canon? We as fans have been seperating the universe's long before the multiverse idea became official, War Within was even declared the official G1 canon but did it matter? No! I've noticed as fans we take what we like and ignore what we don't like. Really though it is canon alright, but only in the World For Cybertron universe (it changes to much to fit into any current established G1 universes) think of it like the Ultimate Marvel series, like G1 for this generation.

*end possible WFC spoilers*


On Topic-
How is that not Sentinel Prime?

If you consider that image to be the complete and correct line of the Primes, IDW's universe had a Zeta Prime after Sentinel so that means Zeta is the Red and Blue one that looks like Optimus

trence5 wrote:Ok, word's out that Hasbro like War for Cybertron so much that they've declared it cannon. So now that means Zeta part of the lore now, and I managed to get a glimspe of him and he kinda looks like the Prime before Optimus from Optimus's spotlight because he's holding a staff... So now can we assume that WAS him and NOT Sentinel - since he looked so different in Megatron's origins book?





These look more similar than Sentinel Prime did in Megatron's origin book

i actually think he looks like dion in terms of colour scheme

The word you want is Canon, not Cannon.

And did you really need to create a second thread when you started another almost identical to this one?

There's about a billion TF canons. Each one is as valid as another. Mix, match and try not to have your head implode.

Oh well. Cannon go boom.

Editor wrote::BANG_HEAD: The word you want is Canon, not Cannon.

And did you really need to create a second thread when you started another almost identical to this one?

THANX ALOT - AGAIN

I wasn't exactly sure where to pose this question - given that there is not an*ahe emm*video game thread*

Chironext wrote:*possible WFC spoilers*

If it's canon then sentinel prime can still exist because the War For Cybertron story suggests that multiple Primes were active at the same time also like the movieverse, WFC suggests that you are pretty much 'born' a Prime which means the whole Matrix turning them into Primes thing has gone out the window with this new canon as well, hell now Optimus is as far as we know the only one to ever have the matrix of leadership.

true
I could be waaaaaaaaaayyy off base but from the impression I got from what little I experienced of the game, it seemed to give a looooot of indication that Optimus was just, well Optimus - not yet Optimus Prime


but I could be wrong

trence5 wrote:

Editor wrote::BANG_HEAD: The word you want is Canon, not Cannon.

And did you really need to create a second thread when you started another almost identical to this one?

THANX ALOT - AGAIN

I wasn't exactly sure where to pose this question - given that there is not an*ahe emm*video game thread*

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trence5 wrote:of the game, it seemed to give a looooot of indication that Optimus was just, well Optimus - not yet Optimus Prime


but I could be wrong

True he is called Optimus for most of the game but-

a) Well it was said he is the LAST PRIME which in my opinion suggests that he is aleady a Prime and that no one else (alive) could or can be. Primes are Primes in WFC no matrix required

which is further suggested by

b) Optimus appears to have just continued to refuse to take up the mantle of Prime which was suggested by the High Council when they said this- "Even now you still reject your calling?" I thought of WFC Optimus as a prince who did not want to be king, forced into the position by duty rather then any want or need. So I see him as a Prime who never wanted to take the title officially.

But likewise I may be wrong as well

i know im new here but thought id throw in my two cents.

the way i understand it via the 'WFC' story, you are born to be a prime.
Optimus was the last.

*********************posible spoiler for those who havent played through the game*******


Optimus is given the Matrix of leadership right before the evacuate the planet.
i see that as the way for the line of primes to continue.
ok you wont be a prime in the same sense as Optimus and Zeta etc coz you werent born into the line of Prime.

but the Matrix gives you the Prime mantle.
ITs an emergency way to continue the line of Primes.

None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

RogueDeathangel wrote:None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

WFC is canon to G1. Even though it contradicts G1, Hasbro and High Moon have both declared it G1 canon.

IDW should be spun off to it's own continuity. A what if, really.

TF: Prime has nothing to do with WFC. Peter Cullen confirmed it himself in an interview.

The best way to look at it is this:

WFC + G1 = Official canon that started it all.

Movieverse Official canon that's rebooted for a new generation, just as important as G1, but not in the same universe.

IDW = tie ins, and what ifs. A canon of it's own, but not accessible to everyone, therefore not as official as the first two.

Autobot032 wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

WFC is canon to G1. Even though it contradicts G1, Hasbro and High Moon have both declared it G1 canon.

IDW should be spun off to it's own continuity. A what if, really.

TF: Prime has nothing to do with WFC. Peter Cullen confirmed it himself in an interview.

The best way to look at it is this:

WFC + G1 = Official canon that started it all.

Movieverse Official canon that's rebooted for a new generation, just as important as G1, but not in the same universe.

IDW = tie ins, and what ifs. A canon of it's own, but not accessible to everyone, therefore not as official as the first two.

What?
High Moon stated that the game was based on TF Prime while most of their inspiration came from the G1 toon, so far everything states WFC is TF Primes back story.
Could you provide a link to that Cullen interview?

Dead Metal wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

WFC is canon to G1. Even though it contradicts G1, Hasbro and High Moon have both declared it G1 canon.

IDW should be spun off to it's own continuity. A what if, really.

TF: Prime has nothing to do with WFC. Peter Cullen confirmed it himself in an interview.

The best way to look at it is this:

WFC + G1 = Official canon that started it all.

Movieverse Official canon that's rebooted for a new generation, just as important as G1, but not in the same universe.

IDW = tie ins, and what ifs. A canon of it's own, but not accessible to everyone, therefore not as official as the first two.

What?
High Moon stated that the game was based on TF Prime while most of their inspiration came from the G1 toon, so far everything states WFC is TF Primes back story.
Could you provide a link to that Cullen interview?

It's over at TFW. Unfortunately I can't access TFW anymore (IP ban, long story which I won't go into here.) And I distinctly remember the posters stating that Cullen said TF:Prime was not attached to WFC. I think the article was something called TechEffect or something like that.

If I'm wrong, correct me, but that's what I read over there. And I'd direct you to it if I could but I can't.

Autobot032 wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

WFC is canon to G1. Even though it contradicts G1, Hasbro and High Moon have both declared it G1 canon.

IDW should be spun off to it's own continuity. A what if, really.

TF: Prime has nothing to do with WFC. Peter Cullen confirmed it himself in an interview.

The best way to look at it is this:

WFC + G1 = Official canon that started it all.

Movieverse Official canon that's rebooted for a new generation, just as important as G1, but not in the same universe.

IDW = tie ins, and what ifs. A canon of it's own, but not accessible to everyone, therefore not as official as the first two.

But it is quite obviously NOT canon to G1. Air Raid and Silverbolt. Orion Pax.
The G1 Tetrajets looked nothing like the WFC Tetrajets.

The point I was trying to make is that continuity doesn't matter. There are literally hundreds of "official" continuities, none of them fully meshing with the others (there are even discrepancies between the WFC game and the novelisation ).
Just take each story as it comes, and don't worry about how it "fits".

RogueDeathangel wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

WFC is canon to G1. Even though it contradicts G1, Hasbro and High Moon have both declared it G1 canon.

IDW should be spun off to it's own continuity. A what if, really.

TF: Prime has nothing to do with WFC. Peter Cullen confirmed it himself in an interview.

The best way to look at it is this:

WFC + G1 = Official canon that started it all.

Movieverse Official canon that's rebooted for a new generation, just as important as G1, but not in the same universe.

IDW = tie ins, and what ifs. A canon of it's own, but not accessible to everyone, therefore not as official as the first two.

But it is quite obviously NOT canon to G1. Air Raid and Silverbolt. Orion Pax.
The G1 Tetrajets looked nothing like the WFC Tetrajets.

And Optimus getting the Matrix from Primus instead of the Prime before him. The way people are so critical on the movieverse and its small, over exagerated, non exisant "plotholes" would have led me to believe that someone would notice this by now.

Autobot032 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

WFC is canon to G1. Even though it contradicts G1, Hasbro and High Moon have both declared it G1 canon.

IDW should be spun off to it's own continuity. A what if, really.

TF: Prime has nothing to do with WFC. Peter Cullen confirmed it himself in an interview.

The best way to look at it is this:

WFC + G1 = Official canon that started it all.

Movieverse Official canon that's rebooted for a new generation, just as important as G1, but not in the same universe.

IDW = tie ins, and what ifs. A canon of it's own, but not accessible to everyone, therefore not as official as the first two.

What?
High Moon stated that the game was based on TF Prime while most of their inspiration came from the G1 toon, so far everything states WFC is TF Primes back story.
Could you provide a link to that Cullen interview?

It's over at TFW. Unfortunately I can't access TFW anymore (IP ban, long story which I won't go into here.) And I distinctly remember the posters stating that Cullen said TF:Prime was not attached to WFC. I think the article was something called TechEffect or something like that.

If I'm wrong, correct me, but that's what I read over there. And I'd direct you to it if I could but I can't.

This is what he said:

Is there any connection between War for Cybertron and Transformers: Prime?

I really don't think so. There may be but I'm not really privy to discuss the creative content at this point. We're in a very exciting stage in development with Hasbro and the Discovery Channel's HUB. The introduction of the series will be coming the fall.

So he can't tell, it's like what they did with The Fallen in ROTF, nobody can tell.

Here is one source for WFC being Prime:
http://transformersclub.com/TCCmagprev.cfm
Page 5 of the free magazine.

There are more sources the most recent one being from BotCon.

Autobot032 wrote:

RogueDeathangel wrote:None of WFC is canon to anything else.

It doesn't fit anywhere. It contradicts a lot of the G1 cartoon and comics. It contradicts IDWs continuity and the movie continuity.

It could possibly fit with TF: Prime, but we'll need to wait and see.

It really doesn't matter whether something is canon or not, just sit back and enjoy it

WFC is canon to G1. Even though it contradicts G1, Hasbro and High Moon have both declared it G1 canon.

IDW should be spun off to it's own continuity. A what if, really.

TF: Prime has nothing to do with WFC. Peter Cullen confirmed it himself in an interview.

The best way to look at it is this:

WFC + G1 = Official canon that started it all.

Movieverse Official canon that's rebooted for a new generation, just as important as G1, but not in the same universe.

IDW = tie ins, and what ifs. A canon of it's own, but not accessible to everyone, therefore not as official as the first two.

WFC is not connected to G1 at all. The G1 canon (tv series) is over and done with. The IDW canon is separate as well.

Hasbro/High Moon stated that WFC would be the beginning of a new, single, official canon, which would include future toys and shows. Thus, most people assume that TF:Prime will be the continuation of the WFC canon. However, since WFC is only a videogame, I'm sure that TF:Prime will provide enough backstory to make it a good starting point for people who didn't play the game. Basically, consider the game an optional prequel.

As for the Cullen interview that people are mentioning, I highly doubt Cullen would have any knowledge about a connection between WFC and TF:Prime.


That's how I've come to understand it so far.

I don't like this term "Official Canon".
I mean, how can you make other canons unofficial?

It's just a new canon, and it'll only be "official" until Hasbro decides that the next continuity is "official".

What about that companion book that calls Optimus Orion Pax? I thught that was supposed to tie with WFC?

I have to admit I prefer the traditional G1 where the Matrix passes from Prime to Prime.

Anyone else wish they'd used Sentinel Prime rather than Zeta Prime?

I know I sound like a G1er and I love the game but I would prefer the Matrix and Optimus' predecessor remained as established inprevious G1 incarnations. Think the Dark Energon is naff.

One thing that bothers me about the Movie and WFC is why Cullen wasn't used for Ironhide as well as Prime like in G1? His Ironhide was iconic. The only TF who could carry an accent believably. I suppose Prime will do the same unfortunately.

Anyhow, moans aside, WFC is overall fantastic.

Well the whole line of Primes thing doesn't necessarily mean that Primes are made/built. If we hold true to the whole Prime is a rank aspect, the picture changes. It could just mean that the "line of Primes" were best of the best of their individual eras, and a result rose to the top through hard work, determination, and a heck of a lot of Energon. So that means Optimus was "simply" the best bot of his generation, and as such was a natural choice to hold the matrix. In fact, if the TF: Prime cartoon introduces Rodimus like the original G1 Rodimus (a bot who was reformated into a Prime), then any bot could be prime if they bust their axel to earn it.


So here's hoping that if Hot Rod does get introduced into this new G1-equse continuity, he'll be a really kick ass Autobot like in TF Spotlight: Hot Rod. And hopefully not like the current "Rodimus" in the ongoing comic . (IDW, fix him!)