The Energon Pub

Salazaar wrote:Oh yeah, I never got to know, but how are you related to Michael Bay? I never figured that out.

Nah, he's only the moderator of shootfortheedit.com, the official Micheal Bay forum. Unless I missed the revelation of a relation.

Nelson works for Bay and is a Bay lover because he is a Bay...?

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:You people are rediculous.


Do you know anything about how the movie process works?

I just got done putting together an independant film for a class. A lot of intended stuff had to be cut. A seven page script went through revisions and arguements. How about a 120 page script?

Nobody lied. Last time I checked Orci and Kurtzman weren't the directors or the studio execs. They're in no position to make promises, so if they do, you can't trust them.


If this movie is flawed, it was flawed from the start when the focus was put on humans instead of TF's.

But frankly I want a human centric movie because otherwise it would just turn into pseudo-fantasy bullshit AKA Lord of the Allsparks. In a human populated society, ignoring their reactions in favor of some crappy nerd robo fantasy plot is madness.

Madness? THIS!! IS!! TRANSFORMAAAAAA'S!!!!



I had too

Damnit, Robinson, you beat me to it.

That aside, I do not want humans. We are "fleshlings" in the grand scheme of things to the TFs, well, the Decepticons, anyway.

I would love a TF film set on an alien world, i don't know, we might call it Cybertron, where the two factions duke it out in gurellia warfare.

I am not complaining about this film before it is even released.

But IMHO (My disclaimer), it is fantasy, and it is a TF-centric world.

There are wayyyyyy too many human-centric films, like, I dunno, almost every one made.

I want a different perspective.

The best thing about TF's for me is when they crash landed on Earth and society had to deal with it.

I'd like to see a nice long Cybertron piece, but after a while it would be kind of stupid.

The TF's don't hold water on their own. They're characatures at best. Some are really cool. We all have our favorites. I've always been a Scorponok fan as you can tell.

2 and half hours of CGI robots on CGI Cybertron? It wouldn't work. Granted, this movie will lean too far into the human realm, ie too much time spent on Sam and Bumblebee and some random army dude, and not enough on Sam being drawn into their world. The biggest mistake they made was not borrowing from the comics and having the Con's capture Sparkplug and he screws them. That would have been the perfect blend of human and TF, and we would have gotten to see Starscream and Megatron argue.

But all the human hate-orade really bugs me. I'd rather a too human movie than a bunch of bad sounding robo fantasy that sounds like it was ripped from an RPG.

Dark Zarak wrote:
The best thing about TF's for me is when they crash landed on Earth and society had to deal with it.

I'd like to see a nice long Cybertron piece, but after a while it would be kind of stupid.

The TF's don't hold water on their own. They're characatures at best. Some are really cool. We all have our favorites. I've always been a Scorponok fan as you can tell.

2 and half hours of CGI robots on CGI Cybertron? It wouldn't work. Granted, this movie will lean too far into the human realm, ie too much time spent on Sam and Bumblebee and some random army dude, and not enough on Sam being drawn into their world. The biggest mistake they made was not borrowing from the comics and having the Con's capture Sparkplug and he screws them. That would have been the perfect blend of human and TF, and we would have gotten to see Starscream and Megatron argue.

But all the human hate-orade really bugs me. I'd rather a too human movie than a bunch of bad sounding robo fantasy that sounds like it was ripped from an RPG.

Agreed. Having no humans in a TF movie = just make a dmn CGI movie. Like, Shrek CGI or something. The purpose of having a human element is to further add realism to a live action movie concept.

Those who don't like the human presence in a TF movie, well sucks to be you. You might have forgotten you're a human, and seeing as how humans made this movie, well, you must be an alien. Now we need your name and address because Area 51 would love to meet you.

Dark Zarak wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:You people are rediculous.


Do you know anything about how the movie process works?

I just got done putting together an independant film for a class. A lot of intended stuff had to be cut. A seven page script went through revisions and arguements. How about a 120 page script?

Nobody lied. Last time I checked Orci and Kurtzman weren't the directors or the studio execs. They're in no position to make promises, so if they do, you can't trust them.


If this movie is flawed, it was flawed from the start when the focus was put on humans instead of TF's.

But frankly I want a human centric movie because otherwise it would just turn into pseudo-fantasy bullshit AKA Lord of the Allsparks. In a human populated society, ignoring their reactions in favor of some crappy nerd robo fantasy plot is madness.

Madness? THIS!! IS!! TRANSFORMAAAAAA'S!!!!



I had too

Damnit, Robinson, you beat me to it.

That aside, I do not want humans. We are "fleshlings" in the grand scheme of things to the TFs, well, the Decepticons, anyway.

I would love a TF film set on an alien world, i don't know, we might call it Cybertron, where the two factions duke it out in gurellia warfare.

I am not complaining about this film before it is even released.

But IMHO (My disclaimer), it is fantasy, and it is a TF-centric world.

There are wayyyyyy too many human-centric films, like, I dunno, almost every one made.

I want a different perspective.

The best thing about TF's for me is when they crash landed on Earth and society had to deal with it.

I'd like to see a nice long Cybertron piece, but after a while it would be kind of stupid.

The TF's don't hold water on their own. They're characatures at best. Some are really cool. We all have our favorites. I've always been a Scorponok fan as you can tell.

2 and half hours of CGI robots on CGI Cybertron? It wouldn't work. Granted, this movie will lean too far into the human realm, ie too much time spent on Sam and Bumblebee and some random army dude, and not enough on Sam being drawn into their world. The biggest mistake they made was not borrowing from the comics and having the Con's capture Sparkplug and he screws them. That would have been the perfect blend of human and TF, and we would have gotten to see Starscream and Megatron argue.

But all the human hate-orade really bugs me. I'd rather a too human movie than a bunch of bad sounding robo fantasy that sounds like it was ripped from an RPG.

I also liked how humans just had to deal with the TFs, but that aside, the TFs should be THE STORY, not a side story of some teenager who buys a 1974 Camaro as his first car.

Just my opinion.

Oh yeah, I agree, Scorponok kicks ass.

Roberto Orci wrote:Sure, I'll chime in for the fun.

I appreciate your coming to our defense because I can see it comes out of respect. It is, however, a backhanded compliment.

What you're talking about is creative decision, thank you very much. The studio doesn't have a magic eight ball of an equation of what this movie should be. That's why they hire screenwriters, so we can look into our magic eightball!

If you have complaints about the paradigm, you shouldn't blame the studio unfairly. It was our ball game.

You make good theoretical points, but it seems a bit early to be philosophizing. One can't quantify the emotional components until they are seen juxtaposed to the beat of the pace of the movie, in my late night opinion.

Did...did I just get served by Roberto Orci?

You make some fair points, I admit, and I'll hold off on any further criticisms on the "paradigm" and the film until I've paid the $9.50 and the 2.25 hours to watch. But like any critic, I'll stand by my "theoretical points" until proven otherwise...'sides, you gotta admit. Aside from the responsibility on the studio's part, most of that post was a fairly accurate assessment of contemporary pop culture...

As for the constant debate about the focus of the film...

YouFearGalvatron wrote:That aside, I do not want humans. We are "fleshlings" in the grand scheme of things to the TFs, well, the Decepticons, anyway.

I would love a TF film set on an alien world, i don't know, we might call it Cybertron, where the two factions duke it out in gurellia warfare.

I am not complaining about this film before it is even released.

But IMHO (My disclaimer), it is fantasy, and it is a TF-centric world.

There are wayyyyyy too many human-centric films, like, I dunno, almost every one made.

I want a different perspective.

With Direct-to-DVD being a viable marketing plan for a lot of lesser-known studios and more "special interest" films, I wonder if such an approach would be the best you could hope for. I mean, if the theatrical releases are half as successful as the filmmakers are buzzing about, there might be an impetus for an animation studio to create a "prologue" film that would explore Cybertron's past and the origins of the conflict in greater detail. That is, of course, unless the movies interject more about Cybertron than any of us are expecting...

Kranix-76 wrote:

Roberto Orci wrote:Sure, I'll chime in for the fun.

I appreciate your coming to our defense because I can see it comes out of respect. It is, however, a backhanded compliment.

What you're talking about is creative decision, thank you very much. The studio doesn't have a magic eight ball of an equation of what this movie should be. That's why they hire screenwriters, so we can look into our magic eightball!

If you have complaints about the paradigm, you shouldn't blame the studio unfairly. It was our ball game.

You make good theoretical points, but it seems a bit early to be philosophizing. One can't quantify the emotional components until they are seen juxtaposed to the beat of the pace of the movie, in my late night opinion.

Did...did I just get served by Roberto Orci?

You make some fair points, I admit, and I'll hold off on any further criticisms on the "paradigm" and the film until I've paid the $9.50 and the 2.25 hours to watch. But like any critic, I'll stand by my "theoretical points" until proven otherwise...'sides, you gotta admit. Aside from the responsibility on the studio's part, most of that post was a fairly accurate assessment of contemporary pop culture...

As for the constant debate about the focus of the film...

YouFearGalvatron wrote:That aside, I do not want humans. We are "fleshlings" in the grand scheme of things to the TFs, well, the Decepticons, anyway.

I would love a TF film set on an alien world, i don't know, we might call it Cybertron, where the two factions duke it out in gurellia warfare.

I am not complaining about this film before it is even released.

But IMHO (My disclaimer), it is fantasy, and it is a TF-centric world.

There are wayyyyyy too many human-centric films, like, I dunno, almost every one made.

I want a different perspective.

With Direct-to-DVD being a viable marketing plan for a lot of lesser-known studios and more "special interest" films, I wonder if such an approach would be the best you could hope for. I mean, if the theatrical releases are half as successful as the filmmakers are buzzing about, there might be an impetus for an animation studio to create a "prologue" film that would explore Cybertron's past and the origins of the conflict in greater detail. That is, of course, unless the movies interject more about Cybertron than any of us are expecting...

The main thing for me is HISTORY. I want to know the ins-and-outs of Cybertronian history, the political rise of both Autobot and Decepticon factions, Megatron's origin, Prime's origin, etc.

History and war is what I am asking for.

I am sick of having pop culture forced into my mind with every film I see...product placement, the newest slang thrown in, stupid and predictable jokes, etc.

I know these things are impossible to vanquish in our corporate culture, which I take no issue with it--I just want an escape from it when I watch a fantasy film...Lord of the Rings is a great example. The original 3 Star Wars films are another.

I know I request the impossible...especially when the setting is the modern world on earth. This is partly why I have such a bad vibe about humans being central in the story.

The title is TRANSFORMERS, not SAM & MIKAELA'S LOVE FEST.

That's all I am saying.

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Kranix-76 wrote:

Roberto Orci wrote:Sure, I'll chime in for the fun.

I appreciate your coming to our defense because I can see it comes out of respect. It is, however, a backhanded compliment.

What you're talking about is creative decision, thank you very much. The studio doesn't have a magic eight ball of an equation of what this movie should be. That's why they hire screenwriters, so we can look into our magic eightball!

If you have complaints about the paradigm, you shouldn't blame the studio unfairly. It was our ball game.

You make good theoretical points, but it seems a bit early to be philosophizing. One can't quantify the emotional components until they are seen juxtaposed to the beat of the pace of the movie, in my late night opinion.

Did...did I just get served by Roberto Orci?

You make some fair points, I admit, and I'll hold off on any further criticisms on the "paradigm" and the film until I've paid the $9.50 and the 2.25 hours to watch. But like any critic, I'll stand by my "theoretical points" until proven otherwise...'sides, you gotta admit. Aside from the responsibility on the studio's part, most of that post was a fairly accurate assessment of contemporary pop culture...

As for the constant debate about the focus of the film...

YouFearGalvatron wrote:That aside, I do not want humans. We are "fleshlings" in the grand scheme of things to the TFs, well, the Decepticons, anyway.

I would love a TF film set on an alien world, i don't know, we might call it Cybertron, where the two factions duke it out in gurellia warfare.

I am not complaining about this film before it is even released.

But IMHO (My disclaimer), it is fantasy, and it is a TF-centric world.

There are wayyyyyy too many human-centric films, like, I dunno, almost every one made.

I want a different perspective.

With Direct-to-DVD being a viable marketing plan for a lot of lesser-known studios and more "special interest" films, I wonder if such an approach would be the best you could hope for. I mean, if the theatrical releases are half as successful as the filmmakers are buzzing about, there might be an impetus for an animation studio to create a "prologue" film that would explore Cybertron's past and the origins of the conflict in greater detail. That is, of course, unless the movies interject more about Cybertron than any of us are expecting...

The main thing for me is HISTORY. I want to know the ins-and-outs of Cybertronian history, the political rise of both Autobot and Decepticon factions, Megatron's origin, Prime's origin, etc.

History and war is what I am asking for.

I am sick of having pop culture forced into my mind with every film I see...product placement, the newest slang thrown in, stupid and predictable jokes, etc.

I know these things are impossible to vanquish in our corporate culture, which I take no issue with it--I just want an escape from it when I watch a fantasy film...Lord of the Rings is a great example. The original 3 Star Wars films are another.

I know I request the impossible...especially when the setting is the modern world on earth. This is partly why I have such a bad vibe about humans being central in the story.

The title is TRANSFORMERS, not SAM & MIKAELA'S LOVE FEST.

That's all I am saying.

Someone that saw the movie in australia said "the sam and mikeala part is very minimal and not overdone"

Robinson wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:

Kranix-76 wrote:

Roberto Orci wrote:Sure, I'll chime in for the fun.

I appreciate your coming to our defense because I can see it comes out of respect. It is, however, a backhanded compliment.

What you're talking about is creative decision, thank you very much. The studio doesn't have a magic eight ball of an equation of what this movie should be. That's why they hire screenwriters, so we can look into our magic eightball!

If you have complaints about the paradigm, you shouldn't blame the studio unfairly. It was our ball game.

You make good theoretical points, but it seems a bit early to be philosophizing. One can't quantify the emotional components until they are seen juxtaposed to the beat of the pace of the movie, in my late night opinion.

Did...did I just get served by Roberto Orci?

You make some fair points, I admit, and I'll hold off on any further criticisms on the "paradigm" and the film until I've paid the $9.50 and the 2.25 hours to watch. But like any critic, I'll stand by my "theoretical points" until proven otherwise...'sides, you gotta admit. Aside from the responsibility on the studio's part, most of that post was a fairly accurate assessment of contemporary pop culture...

As for the constant debate about the focus of the film...

YouFearGalvatron wrote:That aside, I do not want humans. We are "fleshlings" in the grand scheme of things to the TFs, well, the Decepticons, anyway.

I would love a TF film set on an alien world, i don't know, we might call it Cybertron, where the two factions duke it out in gurellia warfare.

I am not complaining about this film before it is even released.

But IMHO (My disclaimer), it is fantasy, and it is a TF-centric world.

There are wayyyyyy too many human-centric films, like, I dunno, almost every one made.

I want a different perspective.

With Direct-to-DVD being a viable marketing plan for a lot of lesser-known studios and more "special interest" films, I wonder if such an approach would be the best you could hope for. I mean, if the theatrical releases are half as successful as the filmmakers are buzzing about, there might be an impetus for an animation studio to create a "prologue" film that would explore Cybertron's past and the origins of the conflict in greater detail. That is, of course, unless the movies interject more about Cybertron than any of us are expecting...

The main thing for me is HISTORY. I want to know the ins-and-outs of Cybertronian history, the political rise of both Autobot and Decepticon factions, Megatron's origin, Prime's origin, etc.

History and war is what I am asking for.

I am sick of having pop culture forced into my mind with every film I see...product placement, the newest slang thrown in, stupid and predictable jokes, etc.

I know these things are impossible to vanquish in our corporate culture, which I take no issue with it--I just want an escape from it when I watch a fantasy film...Lord of the Rings is a great example. The original 3 Star Wars films are another.

I know I request the impossible...especially when the setting is the modern world on earth. This is partly why I have such a bad vibe about humans being central in the story.

The title is TRANSFORMERS, not SAM & MIKAELA'S LOVE FEST.

That's all I am saying.

Someone that saw the movie in australia said "the sam and mikeala part is very minimal and not overdone"

If you live in Texas, you just heard my sign of relief.

500th post! My march to God of Transformers continues...for 6 more years.

I got BANNED because of this thread. I AM NOT PLEASED.

Hasbro controlled this whole thing, even if they (everyone involved in the film) denies it. Blame them, those bloody corrupt corporate suits!

Yeah, i'm late to the party, but i've had a fair bit to catch up on.

Salazaar wrote:You released that bloody press release telling us Devastator was called "Brawl." (strike one, "devastator is his confirmed name in the film) You told us you were constantly adding dialogue to the robots (Starscream has one line, the cons only speak once, and that's in subtitles).

He's referred to as "Devestator" in the sub-titles but his VA is credited as "Brawl" in the credits.

Starscream has more than one line and it's not just in sub-titles. Admittedly though he doesn't speak much.

'Cons only speak once? Completely incorrect. The 'Cons have a fair bit to say, but obviously not as much as the Autobots.

Why? Because the movie centres around the Autobots and the humans. The 'Cons are there doing their thing (which is basically unleashing a **** load of destruction as they should be doing).

But before people bitch and whine about that, it's not as bad as people may think it is. There is sufficient screen time for the Decepticons.

And as for the love story, yep, said it before, obviously needs to be said again. It is a VERY MINOR plot.

This movie IS Transformers. It may not be the Transformers we've become accustomed to over the last 20 years but it very much IS Transformers.

Now people can sit here bitching about little snippets they've heard, or they could simply shut up for the next couple of weeks and go and see the damn movie themselves instead of constantly jumping to conclusions and taking swipes at those behind the movie.

Burn wrote:Yeah, i'm late to the party, but i've had a fair bit to catch up on.

Salazaar wrote:You released that bloody press release telling us Devastator was called "Brawl." (strike one, "devastator is his confirmed name in the film) You told us you were constantly adding dialogue to the robots (Starscream has one line, the cons only speak once, and that's in subtitles).

He's referred to as "Devestator" in the sub-titles but his VA is credited as "Brawl" in the credits.

Starscream has more than one line and it's not just in sub-titles. Admittedly though he doesn't speak much.

'Cons only speak once? Completely incorrect. The 'Cons have a fair bit to say, but obviously not as much as the Autobots.

Why? Because the movie centres around the Autobots and the humans. The 'Cons are there doing their thing (which is basically unleashing a **** load of destruction as they should be doing).

But before people bitch and whine about that, it's not as bad as people may think it is. There is sufficient screen time for the Decepticons.

And as for the love story, yep, said it before, obviously needs to be said again. It is a VERY MINOR plot.

This movie IS Transformers. It may not be the Transformers we've become accustomed to over the last 20 years but it very much IS Transformers.

Now people can sit here bitching about little snippets they've heard, or they could simply shut up for the next couple of weeks and go and see the damn movie themselves instead of constantly jumping to conclusions and taking swipes at those behind the movie.

But then some people would have nothing to do for 2 weeks.

Robinson wrote:

Burn wrote:Yeah, i'm late to the party, but i've had a fair bit to catch up on.

Salazaar wrote:You released that bloody press release telling us Devastator was called "Brawl." (strike one, "devastator is his confirmed name in the film) You told us you were constantly adding dialogue to the robots (Starscream has one line, the cons only speak once, and that's in subtitles).

He's referred to as "Devestator" in the sub-titles but his VA is credited as "Brawl" in the credits.

Starscream has more than one line and it's not just in sub-titles. Admittedly though he doesn't speak much.

'Cons only speak once? Completely incorrect. The 'Cons have a fair bit to say, but obviously not as much as the Autobots.

Why? Because the movie centres around the Autobots and the humans. The 'Cons are there doing their thing (which is basically unleashing a **** load of destruction as they should be doing).

But before people bitch and whine about that, it's not as bad as people may think it is. There is sufficient screen time for the Decepticons.

And as for the love story, yep, said it before, obviously needs to be said again. It is a VERY MINOR plot.

This movie IS Transformers. It may not be the Transformers we've become accustomed to over the last 20 years but it very much IS Transformers.

Now people can sit here bitching about little snippets they've heard, or they could simply shut up for the next couple of weeks and go and see the damn movie themselves instead of constantly jumping to conclusions and taking swipes at those behind the movie.

But then some people would have nothing to do for 2 weeks.

^ The truth.

Things here could be worse! We could have this asshat here.

I can't believe he called the people at ILM "talentless losers that couldn't model CGI dogshit."

YouFearGalvatron wrote:I know these things are impossible to vanquish in our corporate culture, which I take no issue with it--I just want an escape from it when I watch a fantasy film...Lord of the Rings is a great example. The original 3 Star Wars films are another.

I know I request the impossible...especially when the setting is the modern world on earth. This is partly why I have such a bad vibe about humans being central in the story.

The title is TRANSFORMERS, not SAM & MIKAELA'S LOVE FEST.

That's all I am saying.

You have a very valid point, but remember this is Speilberg. Besides I suspect you're over-reacting. They just described it wrong because saying it's about "Mikaela's boobs hanging out while giant robots ruin humanity's ****" wouldn't be pc.

Salazaar wrote:Things here could be worse! We could have this asshat here.

I can't believe he called the people at ILM "talentless losers that couldn't model CGI dogshit."

I'm so over his type.

But the thread did contain the term e-penis which is all kinds of classic.

Let me put one last opinion into this thread.

The Maggie/Glen storyline should be TAKEN OUT. I swear, it served NO purpose to the film except give us more human bullshit. They could've replaced that whole stryline with characterization of the robots.

Salazaar wrote:Let me put one last opinion into this thread.

The Maggie/Glen storyline should be TAKEN OUT. I swear, it served NO purpose to the film except give us more human bullshit. They could've replaced that whole stryline with characterization of the robots.

ANd you know this for sure?

Salazaar wrote:Let me put one last opinion into this thread.

The Maggie/Glen storyline should be TAKEN OUT. I swear, it served NO purpose to the film except give us more human bullshit. They could've replaced that whole stryline with characterization of the robots.

Thanks for the warning.

*sigh*

Salazaar wrote:Let me put one last opinion into this thread.

The Maggie/Glen storyline should be TAKEN OUT. I swear, it served NO purpose to the film except give us more human bullshit. They could've replaced that whole stryline with characterization of the robots.

Seconded.

When I saw the preview clip of him kissing his wife's ass over that HP laptop, saying how that baby was soooo special like the 230,000 OTHER babies born that day made me want to puke.

Totally a waste of film for an ACTION movie.

Bay, this is not, I repeat, NOT a chick flick.

Or...is it?

*dum dum duuum!*

Robinson wrote:

Salazaar wrote:Let me put one last opinion into this thread.

The Maggie/Glen storyline should be TAKEN OUT. I swear, it served NO purpose to the film except give us more human bullshit. They could've replaced that whole stryline with characterization of the robots.

ANd you know this for sure?

Fo sho! It only segways into the revealing of Megatron frozen in liquid nitrogen, and that could've been introduced in a different way.

Salazaar wrote:

Robinson wrote:

Salazaar wrote:Let me put one last opinion into this thread.

The Maggie/Glen storyline should be TAKEN OUT. I swear, it served NO purpose to the film except give us more human bullshit. They could've replaced that whole stryline with characterization of the robots.

ANd you know this for sure?

Fo sho! It only segways into the revealing of Megatron frozen in liquid nitrogen, and that could've been introduced in a different way.

Until I see it for myself I am goin to use burn's mini review of it ans feel that it a;; flows rather smoothly

YouFearGalvatron wrote:Totally a waste of film for an ACTION movie.

Yeah, heaven forbid they introduce the human element so that people can actually relate to the characters.

YouFearGalvatron wrote:Bay, this is not, I repeat, NOT a chick flick.

And a chick flick he didn't make.

I commend you Mr. Orci for writing a script that makes the forums come alive with whining and accusations, thus giving me something to read until the 3rd. Maybe just maybe the sequels will be a tad bit more TF-centric, although i dont mind as long as i see big f'in robots kicking the s@*t out of each other. That after all is what this is about and without the human element on a planet FULL of humans would make it unrealistic.

Burn wrote:

YouFearGalvatron wrote:Totally a waste of film for an ACTION movie.

Yeah, heaven forbid they introduce the human element so that people can actually relate to the characters.

That is why the TFs are not generic wind-up non-sentient robots. They have personalities. THAT is what I want to relate to in a film about TFs.

YouFearGalvatron wrote:Bay, this is not, I repeat, NOT a chick flick.

And a chick flick he didn't make.

I pray to God Almighty not!