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ok so i saw the new Star Trek movie last night and im rather confused by it

spoilers if you havent seen it


So spock (Nemoy) is trapped 200 years or whatever it was in the past. Now his mother is dead and planet Vulcan destroyed. Young spock and kirk defeat Nero but now its all over we find spock (nemoy) is trapped in the past with his younger version and says hes going to help whats left of his people.

Ok now heres where i get alittle confused....

all the other events we know that happens IE spock died and kirk bringing him back/wrath of karn and all that. The bit that troubles me is since Vulcan no longer exists then doesnt this mean EVERYTHING we have had before doesnt matter? wasnt spock taken back to vulcan and his mother ect helped him remember who he was? but if those events happen again vulcan wont be there ect ect

I felt it was a great film but im just abit...lost...on the whole ending and how its ment to effect the previous movies/series. Or was this just a big screw up so they could make more prequal films??

It's a new time line.

Swindle01 wrote:ok so i saw the new Star Trek movie last night and im rather confused by it

spoilers if you havent seen it


So spock (Nemoy) is trapped 200 years or whatever it was in the past. Now his mother is dead and planet Vulcan destroyed. Young spock and kirk defeat Nero but now its all over we find spock (nemoy) is trapped in the past with his younger version and says hes going to help whats left of his people.

Ok now heres where i get alittle confused....

all the other events we know that happens IE spock died and kirk bringing him back/wrath of karn and all that. The bit that troubles me is since Vulcan no longer exists then doesnt this mean EVERYTHING we have had before doesnt matter? wasnt spock taken back to vulcan and his mother ect helped him remember who he was? but if those events happen again vulcan wont be there ect ect

I felt it was a great film but im just abit...lost...on the whole ending and how its ment to effect the previous movies/series. Or was this just a big screw up so they could make more prequal films??

the idea is that when Nero went back in time a new duplicate universe was created, all that came before Neros arrival is the same but what originally happened after may not happen again.

It's such a good movie.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Swindle01 wrote:ok so i saw the new Star Trek movie last night and im rather confused by it

spoilers if you havent seen it


So spock (Nemoy) is trapped 200 years or whatever it was in the past. Now his mother is dead and planet Vulcan destroyed. Young spock and kirk defeat Nero but now its all over we find spock (nemoy) is trapped in the past with his younger version and says hes going to help whats left of his people.

Ok now heres where i get alittle confused....

all the other events we know that happens IE spock died and kirk bringing him back/wrath of karn and all that. The bit that troubles me is since Vulcan no longer exists then doesnt this mean EVERYTHING we have had before doesnt matter? wasnt spock taken back to vulcan and his mother ect helped him remember who he was? but if those events happen again vulcan wont be there ect ect

I felt it was a great film but im just abit...lost...on the whole ending and how its ment to effect the previous movies/series. Or was this just a big screw up so they could make more prequal films??

the idea is that when Nero went back in time a new duplicate universe was created, all that came before Neros arrival is the same but what originally happened after may not happen again.

I dis-liked that everything got erased.

One interesting note: Because it happened decades before Nero arrived, Enterprise is still part of the new continuity.

deathy wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Swindle01 wrote:ok so i saw the new Star Trek movie last night and im rather confused by it

spoilers if you havent seen it


So spock (Nemoy) is trapped 200 years or whatever it was in the past. Now his mother is dead and planet Vulcan destroyed. Young spock and kirk defeat Nero but now its all over we find spock (nemoy) is trapped in the past with his younger version and says hes going to help whats left of his people.

Ok now heres where i get alittle confused....

all the other events we know that happens IE spock died and kirk bringing him back/wrath of karn and all that. The bit that troubles me is since Vulcan no longer exists then doesnt this mean EVERYTHING we have had before doesnt matter? wasnt spock taken back to vulcan and his mother ect helped him remember who he was? but if those events happen again vulcan wont be there ect ect

I felt it was a great film but im just abit...lost...on the whole ending and how its ment to effect the previous movies/series. Or was this just a big screw up so they could make more prequal films??

the idea is that when Nero went back in time a new duplicate universe was created, all that came before Neros arrival is the same but what originally happened after may not happen again.

I dis-liked that everything got erased.

Well, not to quote the writers....but its lot like our DVD's got erased.

And according to the theory behind this film, NOTHING got erased, the idea is that the time travel event of Nero created a NEW universe, a split was created in which the old universe still exists.

In the words of Dr. Emmet L. Brown.

When he Went back in time the time line skewed into this tangent creating a new alternate 1985. Alternate to you, to me, and Einstein, but real to everyone else.

In the case of Star Trek the timeline is real to everyone including Young Spock, but Alternate now to the Old Dpock.

Timeline Normal ST timeline
--------------------------------------------------------
\
\ Alternate Time line After Movie Events.
\--------------------------------------------

Things in this new alternate timeline may happen differently to the old one.

So in this new timeline non of what happens in the old ST movies may happen here. And considering Vulcan was destroyed it probably won't. Unless they have a retconning stellar event change the outcome of the red matter explosions.