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by **Auto Bot** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:34 pm

The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

by **Pyrostrata** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:42 pm

Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade! :grin:

by **Auto Bot** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:46 pm

Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade!

Yup. 20 or 30 years later, I'd start a "Movie Seekers ageing F-22..." topic. :grin:

by **Pyrostrata** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:49 pm

Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade!

Yup. 20 or 30 years later, I'd start a "Movie Seekers ageing F-22..." topic.

Time marches endlessly, and unforgivingly, on.......When I was a kid, my dad worked at McDonnell/Douglas and was part of the team that built and released the F-15....It was the shizz back then! I had posters, models and demos from dad's work hanging all over my room! Was quite odd to see in a girl's room in the 1970's! And not a STITCH of pink...ANYWHERE! :grin:

by **Raven Guard** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:50 pm

Not by a long shot. The Japanese,Israeli Air forces use them to name a few. If you look in to it the F-15 may still be in Air forces across the world by 2020 by what I hear, alot of pilots don't like the F-22 for several reasons compared to F-14/15/16s that are being forced to take a back seat to newer and therefore "Better" aircraft.Its too bad,If it ain't broke don't fix it.

by **Pyrostrata** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:13 am

Astrotrain87 wrote:Not by a long shot. The Japanese,Israeli Air forces use them to name a few. If you look in to it the F-15 may still be in Air forces across the world by 2020 by what I hear, alot of pilots don't like the F-22 for several reasons compared to F-14/15/16s that are being forced to take a back seat to newer and therefore "Better" aircraft.Its too bad,If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Yer right! I do remember hearing something on the news a few years back that we sold Israel a bunch of F-15s....I do remember being eight-ways pissed about it too!

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:16 am

Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade!

Yup. 20 or 30 years later, I'd start a "Movie Seekers ageing F-22..." topic.

Time marches endlessly, and unforgivingly, on.......When I was a kid, my dad worked at McDonnell/Douglas and was part of the team that built and released the F-15....It was the shizz back then! I had posters, models and demos from dad's work hanging all over my room! Was quite odd to see in a girl's room in the 1970's! And not a STITCH of pink...ANYWHERE!

Now that F-15s are on the down trend... can i have those posters and models? :grin:

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:20 am

Astrotrain87 wrote:Not by a long shot. The Japanese,Israeli Air forces use them to name a few. If you look in to it the F-15 may still be in Air forces across the world by 2020 by what I hear, alot of pilots don't like the F-22 for several reasons compared to F-14/15/16s that are being forced to take a back seat to newer and therefore "Better" aircraft.Its too bad,If it ain't broke don't fix it.

The Japanese have grounded their entire F-15 fleet too. Before the Americans did.

Japan grounded it's F-15 fighters last Sunday. Which prompted US Air Force to call its own grounding last Tuesday.

by **Raven Guard** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:26 am

oh.well what about the IAF?

by **Pyrostrata** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:31 am

Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade!

Yup. 20 or 30 years later, I'd start a "Movie Seekers ageing F-22..." topic.

Time marches endlessly, and unforgivingly, on.......When I was a kid, my dad worked at McDonnell/Douglas and was part of the team that built and released the F-15....It was the shizz back then! I had posters, models and demos from dad's work hanging all over my room! Was quite odd to see in a girl's room in the 1970's! And not a STITCH of pink...ANYWHERE!

Now that F-15s are on the down trend... can i have those posters and models?

Um...Lemme think on that for a second. NO! *hordes her aircraft goodies* :grin:

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:41 am

Astrotrain87 wrote:oh.well what about the IAF?

No idea.

I'm assuming the USAF should probably inform IAF anytime soon.

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:42 am

Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade!

Yup. 20 or 30 years later, I'd start a "Movie Seekers ageing F-22..." topic.

Time marches endlessly, and unforgivingly, on.......When I was a kid, my dad worked at McDonnell/Douglas and was part of the team that built and released the F-15....It was the shizz back then! I had posters, models and demos from dad's work hanging all over my room! Was quite odd to see in a girl's room in the 1970's! And not a STITCH of pink...ANYWHERE!

Now that F-15s are on the down trend... can i have those posters and models?

Um...Lemme think on that for a second. NO! *hordes her aircraft goodies*

Come on. I'll pay for the shipping. :grin:

Maybe just one F-15 model? ;;)

by **Pyrostrata** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:12 am

Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade!

Yup. 20 or 30 years later, I'd start a "Movie Seekers ageing F-22..." topic.

Time marches endlessly, and unforgivingly, on.......When I was a kid, my dad worked at McDonnell/Douglas and was part of the team that built and released the F-15....It was the shizz back then! I had posters, models and demos from dad's work hanging all over my room! Was quite odd to see in a girl's room in the 1970's! And not a STITCH of pink...ANYWHERE!

Now that F-15s are on the down trend... can i have those posters and models?

Um...Lemme think on that for a second. NO! *hordes her aircraft goodies*

Come on. I'll pay for the shipping.

Maybe just one F-15 model?

NO! MINE!

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:03 am

Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Pyrostrata wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:The US Air Force has recently grounded all of its F-15 fighter planes, due to safety concerns. After an Air National Guard F-15 fighter jet crashed.

Looks like this can be the start of the end of G1 Seekers in real life.

But the use of the F-22 in the movie is a welcome upgrade!

Yup. 20 or 30 years later, I'd start a "Movie Seekers ageing F-22..." topic.

Time marches endlessly, and unforgivingly, on.......When I was a kid, my dad worked at McDonnell/Douglas and was part of the team that built and released the F-15....It was the shizz back then! I had posters, models and demos from dad's work hanging all over my room! Was quite odd to see in a girl's room in the 1970's! And not a STITCH of pink...ANYWHERE!

Now that F-15s are on the down trend... can i have those posters and models?

Um...Lemme think on that for a second. NO! *hordes her aircraft goodies*

Come on. I'll pay for the shipping.

Maybe just one F-15 model?

NO! MINE!

I guess i'll just settle for a pic then.

by **jorod74** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:21 am

just wait till we get to the point where Unmanned Aerial Vehicles are our backbone- we don't want to risk lives in cockpits anymore- then can someone tell me how we will know a UAV from a Decepticon?

i feel soooooo old.
i grew up around green versions of Blades everywhere. they are all but gone.
F-14s, 15s, 16s, they are going away. Even the relatively new F-18 is getting herded into the retirement corrals soon.

but look at our B-52s...rumor has it some of them may be 100 years old before being scrapped/retired.
the A-10, to Powerglide's relief, will be around another 20-25 years.

isn't it odd that the F-15s are still undefeated, still better than 9/10 of the other countries' fighters, yet we are spooked into grounding them?

peace.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:38 am

I thought America only left the old F15s to rot because they were more expensive to produce than the new F22s. I'm not much of a plane buff but if you put a brand new F15 against an F22, which one would win? :???:

by **Dagon** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:07 am

Well, that's progress for you. The F-15 had a good, long run, so why not let it go gently into the good night.

My concern is that we'll all start complaining about the Seeker mold, which in all fairness to the origins of the TF franchise is/was/may well continue to be the F-15 or some variant thereof. I hope we don't start talking about how these figures are inferior now because they have an outdated alt mode, like Soundwave.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:30 am

Have the F-15's had any safety problems in the past? Why did it take so long to for them to encounter a safety issue with a plane that's been in service for decades?

by **Auto Bot** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:02 am

Tekka wrote:I thought America only left the old F15s to rot because they were more expensive to produce than the new F22s. I'm not much of a plane buff but if you put a brand new F15 against an F22, which one would win?

I think F-22 will win by a large margin.

F-22 carries more assortment of weapons than F-15.

F-22's vector thrusters gives it far more agility than F-15s. F-15 probably won't be able to get a lock on it in an aerial dogfight.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:22 am

Auto Bot wrote:
Tekka wrote:I thought America only left the old F15s to rot because they were more expensive to produce than the new F22s. I'm not much of a plane buff but if you put a brand new F15 against an F22, which one would win?

I think F-22 will win by a large margin.

F-22 carries more assortment of weapons than F-15.

F-22's vector thrusters gives it far more agility than F-15s. F-15 probably won't be able to get a lock on it in an aerial dogfight.

Yes, it would seem that way. I've just been doing some reading, and the F-22 has the F-15 beaten in almost every way, except for speed. The armament can be the same apparently, but the F-22 has the F-15 beaten in acceleration, stealth, and maneuverabilty.

I feel bad for the F-15, but then it has been around for a hell of a long time.

by **olokin** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:28 am

Tekka wrote:
Auto Bot wrote:
Tekka wrote:I thought America only left the old F15s to rot because they were more expensive to produce than the new F22s. I'm not much of a plane buff but if you put a brand new F15 against an F22, which one would win?

I think F-22 will win by a large margin.

F-22 carries more assortment of weapons than F-15.

F-22's vector thrusters gives it far more agility than F-15s. F-15 probably won't be able to get a lock on it in an aerial dogfight.

Yes, it would seem that way. I've just been doing some reading, and the F-22 has the F-15 beaten in almost every way, except for speed. The armament can be the same apparently, but the F-22 has the F-15 beaten in acceleration, stealth, and maneuverabilty.

I feel bad for the F-15, but then it has been around for a hell of a long time.

on paper the advantage goes to the F-22. But in an actual dogfight, would the F-15 stand a chance?

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:31 am

From what I've been reading, the F-15 would find it difficult to track an F-22. The F-15 was already being overtaken by foreign aircraft in terms of capability so the F-22 was designed to restore America's air superiority. If it was designed to outperform foreign aircraft the F-15 would probably suffer the same fate. But then it's down to the pilot as well, a really amazing pilot in an F-15 might be able to crush a crappy pilot in an F-22.

Who can say for sure?

by **Raven Guard** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:57 am

they'd all get shot down to a Air Force Reserve Pilot lucky enough to get in in the seat of an F-14.The Tomcat can engage 6 aircraft at once,something no other U.S. aircraft can do by my recollection.Also on the F-22,its still very subpar compared the Su-37,40 aircraft,so its not like it fills the gap there in the U.S. arsenal.

News Credits: 6 · by **City Commander** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:37 pm

You're jealous of our harrier jump jets aren't you?

I always thought the coneheads would be cool as harriers.

News Credits: 2 · by **Tekka** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:30 pm

Astrotrain87 wrote:they'd all get shot down to a Air Force Reserve Pilot lucky enough to get in in the seat of an F-14.The Tomcat can engage 6 aircraft at once,something no other U.S. aircraft can do by my recollection.Also on the F-22,its still very subpar compared the Su-37,40 aircraft,so its not like it fills the gap there in the U.S. arsenal.

I went to look up these planes since they must be pretty amazing to be superior to the F-22, but every source I've seen has stated they only exist as non-combat prototypes. But they do look sexy as hell, they would make awesome alt modes for the Seekers.