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Postby fenrir72 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:41 pm

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* Special mention to Saberblade for his input in my preview post


Finally! I managed to get the complete set.

First, I'll gloss over the plot (typical japanese anime). Its got drama, gratuitous violence, transforming boys and girl, slapstick, death and naughty tentacles (yup you got that right ......Tentacles!)

Art style reminiscent of the grand old days of the 80s to the 90s! No CGI stuff! Just good old fashion hand drawn action! Especially loved Masterforce and Victory art style. Headmaster more or less continued the Sunbow style (including a lot of its errors) though in a much more improved consistency.

Now for the specific volumes (Please gloss over the plot because, well it won't win you any Oscars but way more coherent than revenge of the Fallen :lol: )

The Headmasters

A continuation after Optimus Prime's return.Plot wise, imho, haphazardly done in transitioning Optimus, then Rodimus until finally Fortress and Chromedome as the lead characters. Art design is a mixed bag. It's more stylized anime but still retained a lot of Sunbow (though waaaaaaaay better than Resurrection).

It was quite confusing especially when the subtitles kept mentioning their American names when you can hear them in their Japanese names (this could have been conveniently handled better in a special features section). Some of the translated titles in the menu selections did not jive with the episode titles. Its like the actual translation was sanitized a bit.

No pun intended but the video masters used was crisp, colorful and lively despite its age. though I noticed a weird effect during the Opening sequence. Several characters were flickering ( 6 shot, Galvatron etc while the secondary ones weren't) This is most noticeable in a PS3 player on a 32 in LED TV. On a PS2 connected to a standard 20 in, the effect was absent.

Masterforce

Set years after Headmasters. The plot changes radically. more like their "Diaclone" roots where humans actually pilot the machines. Includes a lot of elemental mombo jumbo and the same package genre (transformation,violence, naughty voyeurism, death etc) in your typical anime.

The character development kind off dragged a bit(42 episodes unlike the previous 35) but suddenly abruptly ending. So imho, it was too long and too short and I felt kind of left hanging. :lol:

Art design........on a scale of 1 to 5? I give it 4.9! The quality was consistent in all the episodes. If there were indeed errors, maybe it would have been due to the editing of the story sequencing because I could not find one(art errors)

Subtitling issues again. In the package the Autobot God/Powermasters were called "Gunmen" while in the actual episode translation they were designated warriors. Whatsup?


Victory

One of the best and the shortest. Limited to one pesky human interest but the freakin' series used a lot of transitional "updated" filler episode segments which further shortened the story. Maybe they could just have followed the plot of the manga instead hehehe.

Again with the translation with their Japanese names. On occassions, Lightspeed was actually called Laster in the subtitles.........why not just stick with the Japanese name and explain in in the special features?

Video quality.......it totally sucked on an LED TV. On a standard picture tube set, the resolution improved a bit ( as in the flaws were less noticeable). As I previously opined, were the masters used of poor quality unlike that of Headmasters and Masterforce? Or was it due to the film type used back in the day?


Rating:

Effort: A

Finally a R1 release. Owning one without the astronomical prices of the Japanese version is a feat itself!

Localization B

Is a mixed bag. Sentaifilmworks does a lot better in that some needed translations are included during certain important segments of story.

Packaging: B-

Rife with errors

Headmasters package episode guide inaccurate

Masterforce decal states "52" episodes

Victory *

* as Saberblade pointed out................all had the "Headmasters" font on allthe packages. Couldn't they have just hired consultants like Saberblade or stovokor 2000? Could have prevented them from implementing a lot of errors on the packaging.

Art of the package is above average but below awesome..........wished it was smaller to present the entire artwork.

Video quality: A for both Headmasters and Masterforce. B for Victory. on my 32 inch LED, despite all the optimal settings, Victory still looked smudged.

Extras: C

Just animation (very limited) model sheets we've all see at Boltax archives and the TF Generations art books by Million Publishing

Wished they've included the Takara extra videos that would have helped clarify some issues

The only good thing is that there was no Omni productions dub. :BOWDOWN:

As a G1 fan, despite the flaws( heck! who am I to criticize cough,cough Sunbow G1 cough,cough...........)finally you get to own one. No true fan should be without this collection.
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:43 pm

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Nice review.

fenrir72 wrote:(though waaaaaaaay better than Resurrection).
"The Rebirth" ;)

fenrir72 wrote:No pun intended but the video masters used was crisp, colorful and lively despite its age.
Too bad there was footage missing from the beginnings and endings of every episode.

fenrir72 wrote:though I noticed a weird effect during the Opening sequence. Several characters were flickering ( 6 shot, Galvatron etc while the secondary ones weren't) This is most noticeable in a PS3 player on a 32 in LED TV. On a PS2 connected to a standard 20 in, the effect was absent.
That's supposed to happen. starting with episode 14, all the Decepticons in the opening began flashing, as at the time Takara was promoting their then-new "Video Challenger" interactive television toy, which involved children shooting the flickering Decepticons with a "Challenge Blaster" light gun toy in order to earn points.

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fenrir72 wrote:Includes a lot of elemental mombo jumbo
That got ruined by the subs. :BOOM:

fenrir72 wrote:The character development kind off dragged a bit(42 episodes unlike the previous 35) but suddenly abruptly ending. So imho, it was too long and too short and I felt kind of left hanging. :lol
I LOVED Masterforce! Had so many cool characters: Metalhawk, Diver, Ginrai, Sixknight, Grand Maximus, Giga/Overlord, Buster and Hydra, Wilder, Cancer, BlackZarak, and more. 8)

fenrir72 wrote:One of the best and the shortest. Limited to one pesky human interest but the freakin' series used a lot of transitional "updated" filler episode segments which further shortened the story.
A notable difference from the UK/Australian DVDs, as those lacked the clip show episodes.

fenrir72 wrote:Video quality.......it totally sucked on an LED TV. On a standard picture tube set, the resolution improved a bit ( as in the flaws were less noticeable). As I previously opined, were the masters used of poor quality unlike that of Headmasters and Masterforce? Or was it due to the film type used back in the day?
Blame Toei. They supplied the masters, and are notorious for screwing over foreign market businesses like this.


fenrir72 wrote:Localization B

Is a mixed bag. Sentaifilmworks does a lot better in that some needed translations are included during certain important segments of story.
A B is pretty generous considering the butchering Hasbro did to the scripts, which were recycled from the UK/Austrailian DVD sets before modification.

fenrir72 wrote:Headmasters package episode guide inaccurate
What sort of inaccuracies? I've heard of the in-episode episode titles were mistranslated, but what errors exist on the packaging?

fenrir72 wrote:Art of the package is above average but below awesome..........wished it was smaller to present the entire artwork.
Australia got gorgeous art for their DVDs.

fenrir72 wrote:Wished they've included the Takara extra videos that would have helped clarify some issues
Which videos?
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:37 am

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Headmasters episode guide on the package did not jive with that on the disc.

I read in transwiki that there were some transitional segments in the Japan releases.

;) Intentional about the "Resurrection" :lol: . Also, in Headmasters there was no bumper clips. I recall in the Omni production version they had the "Head On!" Bumpers.
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:24 am

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fenrir72 wrote:Headmasters episode guide on the package did not jive with that on the disc.
How so?

fenrir72 wrote:I read in transwiki that there were some transitional segments in the Japan releases.

;) Intentional about the "Resurrection" :lol: .
I... don't quite follow. :???: :???: :???:

fenrir72 wrote:Also, in Headmasters there was no bumper clips. I recall in the Omni production version they had the "Head On!" Bumpers.
That's partially what I meant when I mentioned The Headmasters DVDs missing footage. The DVDs had no pre-episode footage, commercial bumpers, or post-episode "next time" previews.

This greatly affected episodes 1 and 25, in which the episode's beginning proper started before the title card instead of after. It's especially clunky for episode 25 since the first line of dialogue spoken in the DVD version goes some like, "Meanwhile, at the Autobot Base..." as though it were continuing/transitioning from a preceding scene (which it is supposed to be doing since there originally was a scene there before the title card that got left out in the DVD).

In my case, I own both the UK DVDs and the TV-Nihon fansubs, and the latter contains all footage missing from the DVD versions, so I'm glad to have that. ;)
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:22 pm

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In the package of Headmasters it stated that there are only 8 episodes in disc 1(disc 2-4 same issue). So while watching and transitioning from disc 1 to 2, I skipped episode 9 and immediately went to 10. Well episode 9 was on disc 1 and not 2.

About Resurrection reference :lol: I was joking around, I knew people in the know would immediately notice it.

Iirc, while reading transwiki (didn't own the dvds yet) there was mention of short transitional episodes explaining what recently happened (in Godmasters in particular). Either I misinterpreted it or well I might be needing some input from your end Saberblade (btw, thanks for the info on the flashing segments in Headmasters).
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:40 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:In the package of Headmasters it stated that there are only 8 episodes in disc 1(disc 2-4 same issue). So while watching and transitioning from disc 1 to 2, I skipped episode 9 and immediately went to 10. Well episode 9 was on disc 1 and not 2.
Ah, so the episode counts on the disc labels didn't match the discs' actual episode counts. Got it.

fenrir72 wrote:About Resurrection reference :lol: I was joking around, I knew people in the know would immediately notice it.
Are you talking about "The Rebirth"? Why do you keep calling it that?

fenrir72 wrote:Iirc, while reading transwiki
Do you mean TFWiki?

fenrir72 wrote:(didn't own the dvds yet) there was mention of short transitional episodes explaining what recently happened (in Godmasters in particular). Either I misinterpreted it or well I might be needing some input from your end Saberblade (btw, thanks for the info on the flashing segments in Headmasters).
Are you referring to the clip show episodes? If you got a link to the Wiki articles, I may be able to help ya out. ;)
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:37 pm

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This one:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Fight!!_Super_Ginrai

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Begin_the_Bomber ... God_Ginrai

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Secret_of_Godbomber!

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Great_Turn-Aroun ... t_Warriors!

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/You_Too_Use_the_ ... _Transform

Why is the total episode count 47? Is there something I'm missing?

As for "Rebirth".....aw come on, throw me a bone Saberblade :lol: , besides, it sounds more dramatic (though technically inaccurate I'll grant you that)

You're right btw, GG's box art was awesome!

http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/thu ... rforce.jpg
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:04 pm

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Ah, yes. Those. Those are the clip shows that were made direct-to-video in Japan. Except for the last one, which did air on TV. They're largely unimportant, though, since they just recycle clips of previous episodes to retell us everything we already knew about those episodes after having watched them. Shout! Factory (as well as Metrodome and Madman) left them out because they don't add anything.

The same was done for the clip shows of The Headmasters. For Victory, however, Shout! actually did leave in the clip shows that aired on TV, while leaving out the other clip shows that were direct-to-video only.

fenrir72 wrote:As for "Rebirth".....aw come on, throw me a bone Saberblade :lol: , besides, it sounds more dramatic (though technically inaccurate I'll grant you that)
It's just, ya kept saying it over and over again that I wasn't quite sure if you were referring to something else. :oops:

fenrir72 wrote:You're right btw, GG's box art was awesome!

http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/thu ... rforce.jpg
Tiny picture is tiny. But that's TFWiki's fault.

Here are some bigger versions of these Madman Entertainment beauties.

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Couldn't find a clean version of the Victory art.
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Re: Shout's Entire Takara TF G1 trilogy Review

Postby fenrir72 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:52 pm

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:BOWDOWN:

O my PRIMUS! :shock:
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