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Can the G1 communications officer and con minions take the crew of the Axalon? No Tigerhawk but his components are fair game.

Fill free to count Blackarachnia, and Dinobot maximal loyal mindsets and TM2 bodies. Even Rhinox's TM form if it would make the difference. All TM modes are fair game.

I'm still leaning on the G1 Decepticons. It would be a hell of a battle though.

The Maximals take 'em down.

Maxmals win easily 1 Decepticon would not be difficult for them to take down.

Hmm, Rampage had enough fire power to blow a hole in the Nemesis all by his lonesome. I'm sure if all the Maximals would just decimate Soundwave, hell maybe Optimal Optimus could take Soundwave alone.

Pyramitus wrote:Maxmals win easily 1 Decepticon would not be difficult for them to take down.

Actually its not just one Decepticon its at least six or 7 if you include Ratbat. Anyways Soundwave is much larger than the maximals while his cassettes are roughly equal size to the maximals and Soundwave is a very effient warrior and his cassettes are also effient wariors the only real maximal threats would be Dinobot Optimus Primal and Rhinox Soundwave should be able to handle at least two of them on his own while his cassettes using their unique abilities should with great difficulty be able to handle the rest of the maximal crew. winners Soundwave and his cassettes.

You said no Tigerhawk ( I don't know why), but Optimal Optimus and Depthcharge are allowed so they will double-team Soundwave and the other Maximals will take care of the tapes.

Galaxion wrote:Actually its not just one Decepticon its at least six or 7 if you include Ratbat.

Hey, you left out a couple, the number of minions is closer to 9:

1. Rubmle
2. Frenzy
3. Laserbeak
4. Buzzsaw
5. Ratbat
6. Overkill
7. Slugfest
8. Beatbox
9. Squawtalk

Stormwolf wrote:

Galaxion wrote:Actually its not just one Decepticon its at least six or 7 if you include Ratbat.

Hey, you left out a couple, the number of minions is closer to 9:

1. Rubmle
2. Frenzy
3. Laserbeak
4. Buzzsaw
5. Ratbat
6. Overkill
7. Slugfest
8. Beatbox
9. Squawtalk

How true you are Stormwolf I stand corrected.

Stormwolf wrote:

Galaxion wrote:Actually its not just one Decepticon its at least six or 7 if you include Ratbat.

Hey, you left out a couple, the number of minions is closer to 9:

1. Rubmle
2. Frenzy
3. Laserbeak
4. Buzzsaw
5. Ratbat
6. Overkill
7. Slugfest
8. Beatbox
9. Squawtalk

Not to mention Garboil and Howlback. The maximals could still win, though.

I hate to say it but Maximals win.

Predaprince wrote:You said no Tigerhawk ( I don't know why), but Optimal Optimus and Depthcharge are allowed so they will double-team Soundwave and the other Maximals will take care of the tapes.

Tiger hawk was too over powered in the series. that's why they killed him off so fast.

I say the cons have a good chance.

Galaxion wrote:...the only real maximal threats would be Dinobot Optimus Primal and Rhinox...

How do you figure. Rattrap would play the COns own game of sabbotage and if we are talking season 3 Maximals, let's not forget TransMetal 2 Blackarachnia. Even in her original form would be hard mech to beat, but in her TM2/Maximal form she would be much harder.

And you must be forgetting the power upgrade Cheetor got as a TM2. Sure he was still a kid but he had some power to back him up now.

So you are looking at a Maximal line up of:

Optimal Optimus
Rhinox
Rattrap - TransMetal
Cheetor - TranMetal 2
Blackarachnia - TransMetal 2
Silverbolt
Depthcharge
and just becasue you said...
Dinobot - TransMetal 2
Airazor
Tigatron

Yeah I'm thinking the Maximals pull this one off quit easily. Although I would love to see the hunt between Ravage and Tigatron.

Fine, I guess I'll vote unpopular and say Soundwave Inc. I believe that though.

Psycho Warrior wrote:

Predaprince wrote:You said no Tigerhawk ( I don't know why), but Optimal Optimus and Depthcharge are allowed so they will double-team Soundwave and the other Maximals will take care of the tapes.

Tiger hawk was too over powered in the series. that's why they killed him off so fast.

I say the cons have a good chance.

So do I though the fight could be closer than i originally thought.
Yep TigerHawk was more an agent of Vos, and had weather magic so i left him out.

Ok so the Con line up is...

Soundwave- considered a robotic telepath
BeastBox- can form SquawkBox
Buzzsaw- 2nd string laserbeak
Flipside- Cassette triple changer spy... virtually useless
Frenzy- sonic sabatour
Garboil- 3rd string laserbeak produces an override signal
Howlback- enhanced sensors and generates feedback force field
Laserbeak
Overkill
Ratbat- siphon's energy and enhanced sensors
Ravage- considerablly enhanced stealth and sensors
Rumble- quake generation
Slugfest
Squawktalk- can form SquawkBox
... all with flight mode and most easily more than 10ft tall.

Just like Galvatron Prime wrote:So you are looking at a Maximal line up of:

Optimal Optimus- the 4 in one. Trukk and Munky.
Rhinox
Rattrap - TransMetal
Cheetor - TranMetal 2
Blackarachnia - TransMetal 2
Silverbolt
Depthcharge
and just becasue you said...
Dinobot - TransMetal 2
Airazor
Tigatron

Yeah I'm thinking the Maximals pull this one off quit easily. Although I would love to see the hunt between Ravage and Tigatron.

While i don't think it would be easy, the Decepticons would have there work cut out for them. I see the diecast tech giving Soundwave's army a slight advantage. The Maximal's fall to the lost art.

You do realize that the "die cast" thing was because of the toy and not the show. It wasn't some form of technology. And you do realize that the Maximals/Predacons technology surpasses G1. Just saying.

i dont see how the maximals could win. bw megatron fired a fully charged shot at point blank to the head of optimus prime and he survived it. soundwave might not be as powerful as prime, but hes around the same size, and hes a very good fighter. check him out in action when the decepticons storm the ark in more than meets the eye. his cassets would be a decent match for most of the maximals, at the very least they can keep most of them busy while soundwave takes primal.

primal might be huge next to the beast wars transformers, but hes the size of someone like bumblebee or brawn, who are pretty damn big on their own, enough to tower over any human. but soundwave is about the size of megatron and prime, and hes very strong. the only thing he lacks is speed, but his size would make up for most of that, his reach would be longer than primals body.

very few of the maximals can fly either, and rumble has able to keep a number of autobots from reaching him, so i dont know how much luck the maximals who arnt even half the size of the autobots could manage.

aside from megatron, soundwave is probably the most dangerous robot mode decepticon around, his alternate mode might not be well suited for combat, but hand to hand he can take on almost anyone but prime and megatron, so my vote is definatly for soundwave and his troops.

unique_username wrote:i dont see how the maximals could win. bw megatron fired a fully charged shot at point blank to the head of optimus prime and he survived it...

Only because the Maximals repaired him. He would have died had they not.

yeah, he would have died eventually, but the point is, megatron probably has the greatest firepower out of anyone in beastwars, and a fully charged point blank shot, and thats drawing power from every system hes got, into the head, didnt damage prime beyond repair. soundwave isnt going to stand around and let anyone shoot him in the head, let alone wait for them to spend the time needed to fully charge it. he might take some damage, but i cant see any maximal damaging him enough to drop him. primal might have a chance, but soundwave would know this and hed keep and eye on him.

Without the Maximals, Prime wouldn't have died eventually he would have died immediately.

Op. Op. is the same size as Prime / Depthcharge is about the size of BB or Brawn.

Op. Op. is the same size as Prime / Depthcharge is about the size of BB or Brawn.

Op.Op. is as big as prime!?, how do you figure. He was about as big as his foot. He had to fly up to Primes face when they stared at each other. Depthcharge was about a bit bigger than a human, not as big as brawn.

Galvatron Prime wrote:You do realize that the "die cast" thing was because of the toy and not the show. It wasn't some form of technology. And you do realize that the Maximals/Predacons technology surpasses G1. Just saying.

Yeah... I was trying to be funny but i've always seen Maximals a step from micromasters/powermaster tech in terms of fuel effitientcy (sp). The TM maximals have simular firepower to there ancestoral counterparts but lack the extra armor (and sheer mass) if anything else than from there feigned age of peace. This is also re-enforced by the non charged shot from BW megs placing Blackarachnia into stassis while his fully charged shot (to the face) was capable of falling the Autobots greatest leader. The ark itself was durable enough to be inbedded into a valcano and remain intact. I don't think the Axalon was cabable of that. It's not a direct link to the mechs relative durabilities but still worth mentioning.

All in all i still think the fight would be close but rests in the Decpeticon's favor.

Predaprince wrote:Without the Maximals, Prime wouldn't have died eventually he would have died immediately.

Op. Op. is the same size as Prime / Depthcharge is about the size of BB or Brawn.

unique_username covered the first half pretty well so i'll leave that alone.


As for size comparissons, check 3:30 in with Primal flying up to meet the face of a sitting Prime he couldn't be much bigger than the size of Primes chest ie the size of BumbleBee or Brawn as unique_username stated. Unless Depthcharge came up to Opti^2's knee caps i don't see how you got that comparisson.

Also BWMegs pointblank head shot shows him no more than twice the size of G1 Prime's head while in his 1st TM form. At most Opti^2 is twice BWMegs TM form. 4 Prime heads high is still roughly Bumblebee height range unless we're talking SD models here.

Soundwave Superior Maximal's inferior.

I'm sorry to say I think the Maxmals would win too even though I'm a firm supporter of the Decepticons.

I guess with all upgrades and TM2, Maximals win in a straight fight.

However, Soundwave and his cassettes can shrink. Also, the Maximals need to sleep because they're part organic. Ravage can sneak around and put cassettes inside the Maximals. You know where. Soundwave can go inside Optimal Optimus. At a certain time of night, all the G1s can expand and burst out of the Maximals, causing terrible injuries. There will be some gunfire as the G1s execute any surviving Maximals.

Anyway, that's one gruesome scenario. Another is where the G1s hide in their small forms and take turns assassinating Maximals when opportunities arise.

Clearly, the G1s would use guerilla tactics if this is their best chance. G1s win!