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http://www.youtube.com/user/Slayershoop · by **Slayershoop** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:57 pm

Chupacabra Convoy wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:
Chupacabra Convoy wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:Episode I
http://redlettermedia.com/phantom_menace.html
Episode II
http://redlettermedia.com/clones.html

While these are funny reviews he does have valid points, well thought out points and I can't wait for Episode III.

Those reviews freaking hilarious and nails it on the head.

They are, you should check out all of his stuff, oh and don't ask for any Pizza Rolls, nothing nice will come of it...

Oh yeah, it is nice to know what exactly was wrong with all the TNG movies. Also, I'm steering clear of the Taj Mahal casino.

Thank you Dead Metal, you just made my day!

by **zenosaurus_x** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:28 am

Regarding the first post...i respectfully disagree, though I will say I didn't like the 4th or second movies...

I don't like how expanded everything is now and...weird...like reviving Darth Old guy...oh wait Sidious(forgot his name there...)...seems like they try to out do the movies and mess with them...

And I don't know, I don't actually read the books or anything(I more just soak up random info from Star Wars's wikia site) but things seem to be all..magicy now, more than sciency, like all these Sith monsters which "absorb life" and stuff.

But the movies, I liked those, and the general idea of Star Wars.

by **ScotusMagnus** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:06 am

I'm not really fan, but I don't think the movies are bad. As a kid, I really liked the mystical nature of the force, and the blending of technology and mysticism; however, when the new movies came out, the scientific explanations for the force kind of killed that feeling for me.

I still think Krull is a great movie, so my taste is debatable anyway.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:35 am

ScotusMagnus wrote:I'm not really fan, but I don't think the movies are bad. As a kid, I really liked the mystical nature of the force, and the blending of technology and mysticism; however, when the new movies came out, the scientific explanations for the force kind of killed that feeling for me.

The Force is not midichlorians and no one ever said they were. Qui-Gon actually said midichlorians "help us hear the will of the Force." They aren't the Force, they're just the means to channel it.

News Credits: 7 · by **Chaoslock** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:04 pm

Shadowman wrote:
ScotusMagnus wrote:I'm not really fan, but I don't think the movies are bad. As a kid, I really liked the mystical nature of the force, and the blending of technology and mysticism; however, when the new movies came out, the scientific explanations for the force kind of killed that feeling for me.

The Force is not midichlorians and no one ever said they were. Qui-Gon actually said midichlorians "help us hear the will of the Force." They aren't the Force, they're just the means to channel it.

Or their increased number can be a side-effect of somebody being Force-sensitive... it wasn't really explained, as it was dropped after Ep. 1.

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:33 pm

The Empire Strikes Back is one of the very best films ever made in my opinion and it's certainly one of my all time favorites!

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:29 pm

Shadowman wrote:
ScotusMagnus wrote:I'm not really fan, but I don't think the movies are bad. As a kid, I really liked the mystical nature of the force, and the blending of technology and mysticism; however, when the new movies came out, the scientific explanations for the force kind of killed that feeling for me.

The Force is not midichlorians and no one ever said they were. Qui-Gon actually said midichlorians "help us hear the will of the Force." They aren't the Force, they're just the means to channel it.

I never understood how people got to that conclusion. The force is like a radio signal and the midichlorians are like an antenna.

by **Nemesis Jason** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:35 pm

Star Wars was definately another one of my childhood favorites. The prequels have always had strong criticism, though. George lucas certainly put work into it. He did good research and was inspired by other sci-fi movies.

by **ScotusMagnus** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:26 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
ScotusMagnus wrote:I'm not really fan, but I don't think the movies are bad. As a kid, I really liked the mystical nature of the force, and the blending of technology and mysticism; however, when the new movies came out, the scientific explanations for the force kind of killed that feeling for me.

The Force is not midichlorians and no one ever said they were. Qui-Gon actually said midichlorians "help us hear the will of the Force." They aren't the Force, they're just the means to channel it.

I never understood how people got to that conclusion. The force is like a radio signal and the midichlorians are like an antenna.

I didn't realize that I said the force was midicholorians(there is no mention of midichlorians in my posting), but I sense that there is a strong inclination to defend Star Wars, probably because of the tone of the original post, so I will just make my peace and bow out of the discussion. It's all good by me.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:36 pm

Just saw episode 3 on TV and it was still awesome. Not as awesome as the first 100 times I saw it, but still pretty freaking awesome. I love how Anikin kills those kids. They're just like "Hey, mister are you gonna save us?" *pulls out lightsaber* "horay!" Then how he goes on a rampage and slaughters all the federation leaders in their own hide out! One of the most epic scenes in movie history! Just the whole Mustifar scene is great. Then, to see Anikin burn, not that I don't like him, or enjoy watching people burn... ok, maybe a little, but just to see how everything comes full circle in the prequels to match perfectly into the originals. Thats why I love the prequels, because everything is explained and connects to the original ones in every way.

Like Cyberstrike on Facebook · by **Cyberstrike** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:38 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well...

The following is my opinion... but it's shared by others. So it might have some basis in fact. Mileage varies, natch.

The original trilogy is modern myth, both action-packed and deep. It will leave you laughing one moment, breathless from the high-paced action the next and shocked in another. The effects were bleeding-edge then, still hold up incredibly well today and, in some respects, are better because they are models, with weight and substance to them.

It is the classic hero's journey, following Luke from boyhood to manhood. He learns, he grows. He is not perfect, but that makes it all the better. What he does at the end of Return of the Jedi is awe-inspiring.

And there's not just him. The entire cast is memorable, from the dashing rogue Han Solo to the feisty action girl princess Leia. darth Vader, Tarkin, Palpatine, Lando, Kenobi, Yoda... it is a deep cast. With good and evil and some gray inbetween.

The action is intense, well-done. Endor remains one of the best space battles in cinematic history and might never be surpassed. Yavin is classic dogfighting in the best traditions. And Leia never misses a shot.

But there's steak to the gravy, too, as we see Palpatine and Vader vying for Luke, to seduce him to the Dark Side. The fight in the emperor's throneroom is one for the ages as Luke's soul is at stake. In the end, though, good triumphs as Luke does the impossible and throws away his lightsaber.

Oh, did I mention lightsabers being one of the coolest weapons ever? Just for the record.

Anyway... The original trilogy holds up well today, almost better than when it came out. I have watched it a hundred times. I shall probably watch it a hundred more.

I'll admit the preceding was a bit rambling. My apologies, but it comes from the heart.

I have a hard time watching any version of the OT without being bored. To me the prequels are better namely due to do the fact that Lucas shows HOW the Star Wars Universe works, which is always more interesting to me. I was much intrigued by the political intrigue, the problems in the Jedi Order, and the simple fact of how a democracy falls into a dictorship (which is far more frightening than anything else in the whole series) than anything with Luke, Leia, and Han.

I recently watched all 6 films in chronological order and quite honestly by the time I got to episode V I was bored with it. (Once they get Cloud City it's just a sci-fi version of El Dorado with a bittersweet ending) by the time I got to 6 all I wanted was the movie to be over. Yet I could still watch episodes 2 and 3 and NOT be bored with them.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:04 pm

ScotusMagnus wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
ScotusMagnus wrote:I'm not really fan, but I don't think the movies are bad. As a kid, I really liked the mystical nature of the force, and the blending of technology and mysticism; however, when the new movies came out, the scientific explanations for the force kind of killed that feeling for me.

The Force is not midichlorians and no one ever said they were. Qui-Gon actually said midichlorians "help us hear the will of the Force." They aren't the Force, they're just the means to channel it.

I never understood how people got to that conclusion. The force is like a radio signal and the midichlorians are like an antenna.

I didn't realize that I said the force was midicholorians(there is no mention of midichlorians in my posting), but I sense that there is a strong inclination to defend Star Wars, probably because of the tone of the original post, so I will just make my peace and bow out of the discussion. It's all good by me.

Didn't you?

ScotusMagnus wrote:the scientific explanations for the force

Just a more complicated way of saying "midichlorians." There was a scientific explanation for how the Jedi CONNECT to the Force, but there is still no explanation for the Force itself.

by **AshesOfPain** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:12 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:

I have a hard time watching any version of the OT without being bored. To me the prequels are better namely due to do the fact that Lucas shows HOW the Star Wars Universe works, which is always more interesting to me. I was much intrigued by the political intrigue, the problems in the Jedi Order, and the simple fact of how a democracy falls into a dictorship (which is far more frightening than anything else in the whole series) than anything with Luke, Leia, and Han.

I recently watched all 6 films in chronological order and quite honestly by the time I got to episode V I was bored with it. (Once they get Cloud City it's just a sci-fi version of El Dorado with a bittersweet ending) by the time I got to 6 all I wanted was the movie to be over. Yet I could still watch episodes 2 and 3 and NOT be bored with them.

And yet you could just as easily watch a democracy fall into a dictatorship by watching a history of Germany. But perhaps that is where Lucas took his inspiration.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:35 am

Cyberstrike wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Well...

The following is my opinion... but it's shared by others. So it might have some basis in fact. Mileage varies, natch.

The original trilogy is modern myth, both action-packed and deep. It will leave you laughing one moment, breathless from the high-paced action the next and shocked in another. The effects were bleeding-edge then, still hold up incredibly well today and, in some respects, are better because they are models, with weight and substance to them.

It is the classic hero's journey, following Luke from boyhood to manhood. He learns, he grows. He is not perfect, but that makes it all the better. What he does at the end of Return of the Jedi is awe-inspiring.

And there's not just him. The entire cast is memorable, from the dashing rogue Han Solo to the feisty action girl princess Leia. darth Vader, Tarkin, Palpatine, Lando, Kenobi, Yoda... it is a deep cast. With good and evil and some gray inbetween.

The action is intense, well-done. Endor remains one of the best space battles in cinematic history and might never be surpassed. Yavin is classic dogfighting in the best traditions. And Leia never misses a shot.

But there's steak to the gravy, too, as we see Palpatine and Vader vying for Luke, to seduce him to the Dark Side. The fight in the emperor's throneroom is one for the ages as Luke's soul is at stake. In the end, though, good triumphs as Luke does the impossible and throws away his lightsaber.

Oh, did I mention lightsabers being one of the coolest weapons ever? Just for the record.

Anyway... The original trilogy holds up well today, almost better than when it came out. I have watched it a hundred times. I shall probably watch it a hundred more.

I'll admit the preceding was a bit rambling. My apologies, but it comes from the heart.

I have a hard time watching any version of the OT without being bored. To me the prequels are better namely due to do the fact that Lucas shows HOW the Star Wars Universe works, which is always more interesting to me. I was much intrigued by the political intrigue, the problems in the Jedi Order, and the simple fact of how a democracy falls into a dictorship (which is far more frightening than anything else in the whole series) than anything with Luke, Leia, and Han.

I recently watched all 6 films in chronological order and quite honestly by the time I got to episode V I was bored with it. (Once they get Cloud City it's just a sci-fi version of El Dorado with a bittersweet ending) by the time I got to 6 all I wanted was the movie to be over. Yet I could still watch episodes 2 and 3 and NOT be bored with them.

THIS! This is exactly how I feel about the whole series. Episode 4 is IMO the worst. I mean, the action is so bad! When Obi-wan and Vader fight, they sit there and just tap lightsabers together, not even fighting. They just...tap. Episode 5 is by far the best of the original trilogy, but I still feel bored watching it. What I want to know, is whats so great about it? Its basically the first one but with more explosions, and Darth Vader's identity being revealed. Episode 6 is just boring. Its not great, not horrible, just boring. Episode 1 is...IDK. I don't really have an opinion weather its good or bad. Its definately not bad, but it's not somthing you watch over and over from beginning to end. I say it's better than episode 6, but just below episode 5. Episode 2 is awesome, just plain awesome. Episode 3 is...damn. Best Star Wars ever. Everything ties together with episode 4 perfectly. And the Clone Wars movie...I like it better than episode 4, but that's it. Maybe right ontop of six, but slightly lower. IDK, I liked it, but it was too short, and no General Grevious!!! He was like the whole reason I loved the first cartoon and the beginning of episode 3!

News Credits: 1 · by **MightyMagnus78** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:46 pm

MightyMagnus78 wrote:The Empire Strikes Back is one of the very best films ever made in my opinion and it's certainly one of my all time favorites!

I've just found out that Irvin Kershner has passed away. He of course directed 'Empire', so to find out he passed away in the same week as Leslie Nielsen is a bit hard to take.

R.I.P Irvan

Website · by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:56 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:Just saw episode 3 on TV and it was still awesome. Not as awesome as the first 100 times I saw it, but still pretty freaking awesome. I love how Anikin kills those kids. They're just like "Hey, mister are you gonna save us?" *pulls out lightsaber* "horay!" Then how he goes on a rampage and slaughters all the federation leaders in their own hide out! One of the most epic scenes in movie history! Just the whole Mustifar scene is great. Then, to see Anikin burn, not that I don't like him, or enjoy watching people burn... ok, maybe a little, but just to see how everything comes full circle in the prequels to match perfectly into the originals. Thats why I love the prequels, because everything is explained and connects to the original ones in every way.

You... are disturbing.

Cyberstrike wrote:I have a hard time watching any version of the OT without being bored. To me the prequels are better namely due to do the fact that Lucas shows HOW the Star Wars Universe works, which is always more interesting to me. I was much intrigued by the political intrigue, the problems in the Jedi Order, and the simple fact of how a democracy falls into a dictorship (which is far more frightening than anything else in the whole series) than anything with Luke, Leia, and Han.

I recently watched all 6 films in chronological order and quite honestly by the time I got to episode V I was bored with it. (Once they get Cloud City it's just a sci-fi version of El Dorado with a bittersweet ending) by the time I got to 6 all I wanted was the movie to be over. Yet I could still watch episodes 2 and 3 and NOT be bored with them.

The intrigue was drier than the Sahara. And boring, to boot! Oh, the Jedi sucked as well and had their heads up their asses.

SlyTF1 wrote:THIS! This is exactly how I feel about the whole series. Episode 4 is IMO the worst. I mean, the action is so bad! When Obi-wan and Vader fight, they sit there and just tap lightsabers together, not even fighting. They just...tap. Episode 5 is by far the best of the original trilogy, but I still feel bored watching it. What I want to know, is whats so great about it? Its basically the first one but with more explosions, and Darth Vader's identity being revealed. Episode 6 is just boring. Its not great, not horrible, just boring. Episode 1 is...IDK. I don't really have an opinion weather its good or bad. Its definately not bad, but it's not somthing you watch over and over from beginning to end. I say it's better than episode 6, but just below episode 5. Episode 2 is awesome, just plain awesome. Episode 3 is...damn. Best Star Wars ever. Everything ties together with episode 4 perfectly. And the Clone Wars movie...I like it better than episode 4, but that's it. Maybe right ontop of six, but slightly lower. IDK, I liked it, but it was too short, and no General Grevious!!! He was like the whole reason I loved the first cartoon and the beginning of episode 3!

So you like the Jedi and Sith hopping around like monkeys on crack rather than there being substance to their fights. Obi-Wan versus Vader in ANH was a hundred times better than the damned wire-fu going on in the PT.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:02 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:THIS! This is exactly how I feel about the whole series. Episode 4 is IMO the worst. I mean, the action is so bad! When Obi-wan and Vader fight, they sit there and just tap lightsabers together, not even fighting. They just...tap. Episode 5 is by far the best of the original trilogy, but I still feel bored watching it. What I want to know, is whats so great about it? Its basically the first one but with more explosions, and Darth Vader's identity being revealed. Episode 6 is just boring. Its not great, not horrible, just boring. Episode 1 is...IDK. I don't really have an opinion weather its good or bad. Its definately not bad, but it's not somthing you watch over and over from beginning to end. I say it's better than episode 6, but just below episode 5. Episode 2 is awesome, just plain awesome. Episode 3 is...damn. Best Star Wars ever. Everything ties together with episode 4 perfectly. And the Clone Wars movie...I like it better than episode 4, but that's it. Maybe right ontop of six, but slightly lower. IDK, I liked it, but it was too short, and no General Grevious!!! He was like the whole reason I loved the first cartoon and the beginning of episode 3!

So you like the Jedi and Sith hopping around like monkeys on crack rather than there being substance to their fights. Obi-Wan versus Vader in ANH was a hundred times better than the damned wire-fu going on in the PT.

Yes. Thats why I liked the prequels. Why would I want to see bullshit realistic fighting, when the point of movies is to separate you from the real world, thats full of crap and has no intrest at all? Thats why I don't like fighting games, thats why I don't like fighting movies. How could you not like them jumping ans spinning around? Honestly, its boring as hell watching 2 people tap their lightsabers together.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:17 pm

Lucas actually reasoned that in the OT, the only people other than Luke who used Lightsabers were Obi-Wan and Vader, and neither of them were particularly good at it anymore, so Luke received less-than-stellar training as a result. The Prequels were meant to show the Jedi at the top of their game, and as a result, much, much better with a Lightsaber.

Website · by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:25 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:THIS! This is exactly how I feel about the whole series. Episode 4 is IMO the worst. I mean, the action is so bad! When Obi-wan and Vader fight, they sit there and just tap lightsabers together, not even fighting. They just...tap. Episode 5 is by far the best of the original trilogy, but I still feel bored watching it. What I want to know, is whats so great about it? Its basically the first one but with more explosions, and Darth Vader's identity being revealed. Episode 6 is just boring. Its not great, not horrible, just boring. Episode 1 is...IDK. I don't really have an opinion weather its good or bad. Its definately not bad, but it's not somthing you watch over and over from beginning to end. I say it's better than episode 6, but just below episode 5. Episode 2 is awesome, just plain awesome. Episode 3 is...damn. Best Star Wars ever. Everything ties together with episode 4 perfectly. And the Clone Wars movie...I like it better than episode 4, but that's it. Maybe right ontop of six, but slightly lower. IDK, I liked it, but it was too short, and no General Grevious!!! He was like the whole reason I loved the first cartoon and the beginning of episode 3!

So you like the Jedi and Sith hopping around like monkeys on crack rather than there being substance to their fights. Obi-Wan versus Vader in ANH was a hundred times better than the damned wire-fu going on in the PT.

Yes. Thats why I liked the prequels. Why would I want to see bullshit realistic fighting, when the point of movies is to separate you from the real world, thats full of crap and has no intrest at all? Thats why I don't like fighting games, thats why I don't like fighting movies. How could you not like them jumping ans spinning around? Honestly, its boring as hell watching 2 people tap their lightsabers together.

Because first off, they weren't 'tapping' their lightsabers together. Second off, there was more weight behind their fight than all the PT battles put together. Third, OT Vader would've slaughtered his younger version.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:32 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Because first off, they weren't 'tapping' their lightsabers together. Second off, there was more weight behind their fight than all the PT battles put together.

Prequel battles were significantly more complex and fluid. That's what makes them so much more interesting.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Third, OT Vader would've slaughtered his younger version.

Vader spends an entire chapter of the book Rise of Darth Vader reflecting on how all of his abilities have been nerfed because of his suit. He has to win fights based on overpowering strength and manipulation of the Force rather than skill with a Lightsaber. That's how Luke was able to beat him, because, by his own admission, he was no good at Lightsaber combat in his suit.

He even has an ability where as long as he holds concentration, he can actually increase his abilities to what they were before his immolation, but the sudden excitement at being able to move freely again tends break his concentration, so he doesn't use it often.

News Credits: 37 · by **SlyTF1** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:04 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:THIS! This is exactly how I feel about the whole series. Episode 4 is IMO the worst. I mean, the action is so bad! When Obi-wan and Vader fight, they sit there and just tap lightsabers together, not even fighting. They just...tap. Episode 5 is by far the best of the original trilogy, but I still feel bored watching it. What I want to know, is whats so great about it? Its basically the first one but with more explosions, and Darth Vader's identity being revealed. Episode 6 is just boring. Its not great, not horrible, just boring. Episode 1 is...IDK. I don't really have an opinion weather its good or bad. Its definately not bad, but it's not somthing you watch over and over from beginning to end. I say it's better than episode 6, but just below episode 5. Episode 2 is awesome, just plain awesome. Episode 3 is...damn. Best Star Wars ever. Everything ties together with episode 4 perfectly. And the Clone Wars movie...I like it better than episode 4, but that's it. Maybe right ontop of six, but slightly lower. IDK, I liked it, but it was too short, and no General Grevious!!! He was like the whole reason I loved the first cartoon and the beginning of episode 3!

So you like the Jedi and Sith hopping around like monkeys on crack rather than there being substance to their fights. Obi-Wan versus Vader in ANH was a hundred times better than the damned wire-fu going on in the PT.

Yes. Thats why I liked the prequels. Why would I want to see bullshit realistic fighting, when the point of movies is to separate you from the real world, thats full of crap and has no intrest at all? Thats why I don't like fighting games, thats why I don't like fighting movies. How could you not like them jumping ans spinning around? Honestly, its boring as hell watching 2 people tap their lightsabers together.

Because first off, they weren't 'tapping' their lightsabers together. Second off, there was more weight behind their fight than all the PT battles put together. Third, OT Vader would've slaughtered his younger version.

Yes they are tapping them. They're talking and you see flashes like they where actually hitting them together. Weight behind the fight? What? Darth Vader barely killed kenobi in episode 4, in episode 3, they both where kicking ass all over the place! Darth Vader has stiff, robotic limbs, which would obviously slow him down. He moves like a robot.

by **PartyUpLive** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:36 pm

I like the original SW. It was cool watching it as a kid with all the cool ships, the light saber, Darth Vader, etc... And, back then, it looked and sounded amazing.

The new ones are ok, I just prefer the originals.

Like Cyberstrike on Facebook · by **Cyberstrike** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:53 am

Shadowman wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Because first off, they weren't 'tapping' their lightsabers together. Second off, there was more weight behind their fight than all the PT battles put together.

Prequel battles were significantly more complex and fluid. That's what makes them so much more interesting.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Third, OT Vader would've slaughtered his younger version.

Vader spends an entire chapter of the book Rise of Darth Vader reflecting on how all of his abilities have been nerfed because of his suit. He has to win fights based on overpowering strength and manipulation of the Force rather than skill with a Lightsaber. That's how Luke was able to beat him, because, by his own admission, he was no good at Lightsaber combat in his suit.

He even has an ability where as long as he holds concentration, he can actually increase his abilities to what they were before his immolation, but the sudden excitement at being able to move freely again tends break his concentration, so he doesn't use it often.

Lucas also admits on the commentary track that Vader is rather pathetic character in Episode IV having to take orders from General Tarkin and having to put up with the crap from other Imperial Officers.

In the Empire of Dreams documentary it is said that while Sir Alec Guiness had some stage fencing knowledge (I think it's referred to as the stuntman describing him as a "gentlemen fencing") I don't think David Prowse had much or any sword training prior to it, and Lucas wanted a mix of European and Samurai sword fighting styles which are very different.

And oh BTW Luke did use the Force to jump around in both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi just like Anakin and Obi-Wan did in Revenge of the Sith.