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[Sabrblade]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thank you, Sabrblade, for saving me research.

Sure thing, though, I had to go find this out, myself.

[william-james88]

Fan translation of Delta's bio:

Motto: "Lies also shine bright."

Delta Magnus is part of a peacekeeping and relief mission in outer space, where he is a savior to the inhabitants of remote regions and planets; he was known of by Convoy, Supreme Commander of the Cybertrons, since early times. But even this legendary hero has a secret he won't divulge. He was once asked to be Earth's City Commander, but declined it, for those in Earth's forces also know of him from earlier times and he fears the possibility of the truth coming out.

Woho, what secret? That he used to be Ultra Magnus, the once great City Commander of Autobot City on Earth? And thus the one who was there when it all went to hell?

He might be Ultra Magnus from an untold future then.

Wait, why would the guy who declined the offer to be City Commander be the same guy as the City Commander?

Wait wait, was Ultra Magnus the commander of Autobot city, yes or no?

[Sabrblade]

Fan translation of Delta's bio:

Motto: "Lies also shine bright."

Delta Magnus is part of a peacekeeping and relief mission in outer space, where he is a savior to the inhabitants of remote regions and planets; he was known of by Convoy, Supreme Commander of the Cybertrons, since early times. But even this legendary hero has a secret he won't divulge. He was once asked to be Earth's City Commander, but declined it, for those in Earth's forces also know of him from earlier times and he fears the possibility of the truth coming out.

Woho, what secret? That he used to be Ultra Magnus, the once great City Commander of Autobot City on Earth? And thus the one who was there when it all went to hell?

He might be Ultra Magnus from an untold future then.

Wait, why would the guy who declined the offer to be City Commander be the same guy as the City Commander?

Wait wait, was Ultra Magnus the commander of Autobot city, yes or no?

Ultra Magnus is the City Commander in charge of Autobot City on Earth, Delta Magnus (who turned down the City Commander offer) is the Vanguard Commander in charge of the Primal Vanguard out in space.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

And here comes the inevitable question: having the same template as Ultra Magnus, who was Delta Magnus built from?

[galvatron00]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thank you, Sabrblade, for saving me research.

Sure thing, though, I had to go find this out, myself.

So to re-cap, he was a good guy that was following orders to murder younglings and has yellow eyes.

A Darth Magnus, if you will.

[galvatron00]

And here comes the inevitable question: having the same template as Ultra Magnus, who was Delta Magnus built from?

The chicken or the egg argument, Transformers style!!

Well played, JelZe.

[shajaki]

Ok I'm finished ranting.

I feel like if I picked this guy up, I'd have to go back and get the G1 based Delta Magnus. Anyone else think that?

Dude, I think that about every figure I buy that isn't G1

[fenrir72]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

[Sabrblade]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

Wasn't that already indicative from the toy's name being "Delta Magnus"? I mean, there's no other Diaclone Powered Convoy-based character with that name.

[sol magnus]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

Wasn't that already indicative from the toy's name being "Delta Magnus"? I mean, there's no other Diaclone Powered Convoy-based character with that name.

And while I'm all about the wank this time around, Star Saber used the IDW interpretation on his card as well if I recall correctly.

[Sabrblade]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

Wasn't that already indicative from the toy's name being "Delta Magnus"? I mean, there's no other Diaclone Powered Convoy-based character with that name.

And while I'm all about the wank this time around, Star Saber used the IDW interpretation on his card as well if I recall correctly.

Only in the English Australian release. Takara's original Japanese bio card was the classic Supreme Commander Star Saber.

[fenrir72]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

Wasn't that already indicative from the toy's name being "Delta Magnus"? I mean, there's no other Diaclone Powered Convoy-based character with that name.

Until know, didn't know that IDW created one (haven't touched an IDW comic since FOTW.....save more cash for the toys and not the comic). The character I mean. Only knew that this mold was based on the (or the original mold that is, back in the Diaclone/G1 era)unused color scheme of what would become UM. I even have the Takara battle scene showing G1 Megatron fighting Diaclone color Megatron...complete with faction symbols. Hence my belief that the original Diaclone color UM was just him miscolored. Same with G1 Galvatron toy who is now Galvatron II but was labeled back in the 80s as THE Galvatron but not purple.

[Sabrblade]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

Wasn't that already indicative from the toy's name being "Delta Magnus"? I mean, there's no other Diaclone Powered Convoy-based character with that name.

Until know, didn't know that IDW created one (haven't touched an IDW comic since FOTW.....save more cash for the toys and not the comic). The character I mean. Only knew that this mold was based on the (or the original mold that is, back in the Diaclone/G1 era)unused color scheme of what would become UM. I even have the Takara battle scene showing G1 Megatron fighting Diaclone color Megatron...complete with faction symbols. Hence my belief that the original Diaclone color UM was just him miscolored. Same with G1 Galvatron toy who is now Galvatron II but was labeled back in the 80s as THE Galvatron but not purple.

What about when this post was made?

[fenrir72]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

Wasn't that already indicative from the toy's name being "Delta Magnus"? I mean, there's no other Diaclone Powered Convoy-based character with that name.

And while I'm all about the wank this time around, Star Saber used the IDW interpretation on his card as well if I recall correctly.

The IDW based biocard for MP-StarSaber deserved to wipe off Trypticon's waste port grime. It just a product of Jame's Roberts' warped thinking of turning icons into bad guys)

[fenrir72]

Delta's dark secret that kept him from accepting the City Commander offer is a reference to his having led the Primal Vanguard in the IDW comics, which was a "peacekeeping" organization that specialized in murdering scores of organics.

Thanks for the biocard translations Finally! So this is a mold fan wank.......TT recouping an investment via fan wank based on an IDW character

Wasn't that already indicative from the toy's name being "Delta Magnus"? I mean, there's no other Diaclone Powered Convoy-based character with that name.

Until know, didn't know that IDW created one (haven't touched an IDW comic since FOTW.....save more cash for the toys and not the comic). The character I mean. Only knew that this mold was based on the (or the original mold that is, back in the Diaclone/G1 era)unused color scheme of what would become UM. I even have the Takara battle scene showing G1 Megatron fighting Diaclone color Megatron...complete with faction symbols. Hence my belief that the original Diaclone color UM was just him miscolored. Same with G1 Galvatron toy who is now Galvatron II but was labeled back in the 80s as THE Galvatron but not purple.

What about when this post was made?

As I also answered......translate the biocard. The only time I read the "term" Delta Magnus was from this thread (if you want to be technical, when leaked images started getting posted) courtesy of our eagle eyed news breakers. The mere declaration of "he's Delta Magnus" means squat as "I haven't been reading IDW since FoTW". Hence my continuous request to translate the biocard.

Now , thanks to your translation, I've found out. For which I am very grateful.

Edit:

I was under the impression that the term "Delta" from D was a nod to "D"iaclone.

[Sabrblade]

The only time I read the "term" Delta Magnus was from this thread (if you want to be technical, when leaked images started getting posted) courtesy of our eagle eyed news breakers. The mere declaration of "he's Delta Magnus" means squat as "I haven't been reading IDW since FoTW".

I haven't kept up with the comics either yet I knew Delta was his own guy from IDW cuz I read the page that was already linked to you. I don't understand why reading said linked page didn't help you.

[Emerje]

And here comes the inevitable question: having the same template as Ultra Magnus, who was Delta Magnus built from?

He and the original Ultra Magnus are both from the House of Magnus, and Delta is an original so he wouldn't have been built like the later IDW Ultra Magnus. Could be that they were brothers like Minimus Ambus and Dominus Ambus so they'd look alike (maybe more so than others, but still).

Emerje

[fenrir72]

The only time I read the "term" Delta Magnus was from this thread (if you want to be technical, when leaked images started getting posted) courtesy of our eagle eyed news breakers. The mere declaration of "he's Delta Magnus" means squat as "I haven't been reading IDW since FoTW".

I haven't kept up with the comics either yet I knew Delta was his own guy from IDW cuz I read the page that was already linked to you. I don't understand why reading said linked page didn't help you.

As I am repeating again. All the post you are linking says "He's Delta Magnus". No links, no mention of he's from IDW. Maybe you knew of Delta Magnus from IDW. Even if you aren't updated but you probably read about him (well more than probably as the level of probability is more skewed to the left of the null graph) Me? I haven't read a single IDW product since FoTW. What's so hard to understand about that?

If I didn't read a single IDW comic, how am I supposed to know that there's a Delta Magnus? Knowledge doesn't just appear from thin air.It has to be learned from an exposure to a source of knowledge of which I haven't been exposed to.

[Sabrblade]

No links,

Look again:

Except Delta Magnus is explicitly his own character.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Delta_Magnus

And for the record, I've yet to read a single issue that featured the guy. I'm THAT far behind.

[fenrir72]

No links,

Look again:

Except Delta Magnus is explicitly his own character.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Delta_Magnus

And for the record, I've yet to read a single issue that featured the guy. I'm THAT far behind.

That link WAS after the "He's Delta Magnus" post.

here is the link you posted:

takaratomy-transformers-masterpiece-mp-31-delta-magnus-discussion-thread-t106517s25.php#p1772204

It encompasses the entire page showcasing when that statement "He's Delta Magnus" first started and Combaticons Combine? who put up the tfwiki link next.

Hence my insistence of translating the content of the biocard. I tend to put more faith in official sources first before the tfwiki. Now if you'll insist that official sources regularly use tfwiki AS the source, the researcher in me thinks otherwise as to swallow hook line and sinker anything put up in a wiki.

I am not as dense as to pretend that I know everything, as my hunger for TF knowledge/lore is insatiable. Which goes back again to my request to translate the biocard. I wasn't trying to do a "Pretender" by claiming sudden mastery of the character.

[Sabrblade]

That link WAS after the "He's Delta Magnus" post.

That link was in the post I linked to. That's what matters here.

The biocard doesn't even apply to IDW's continuity anyway. It's JG1. The Wiki link was to show that the guy who looks like Diaclone Powered Convoy and bore the name "Delta Magnus" is a different person from Ultra Magnus. You didn't need the biocard translated to know that when the Wiki link already covers that information.

Not to mention the fact that the toy doesn't bear the name of "Ultra Magnus". If it were the same character as Ultra Magnus, it would be called something like "Ultra Magnus movie Preview Ver." or whatever. The name "Delta Magnus" is a key indicator on its own, and if not, the affirmation from those in this thread who are familiar with the character ought to have been enough to make clear his being a separate guy from Ultra Magnus. Plus, again, the Wiki page that CombaticonsCombine? linked to explains who the guy is.

Takara wouldn't use the name "Delta Magnus" if they didn't mean for it to be the guy that everyone was talking about, and they certainly wouldn't take the identity of a pre-established character like that and change it to being something like the same identity of Ultra Magnus in a new form. Takara is beholden to things past, especially in a line like the Masterpiece line.

[fenrir72]

That link WAS after the "He's Delta Magnus" post.

That link was in the post I linked to. That's what matters here.

The biocard doesn't even apply to IDW's continuity anyway. It's JG1. The Wiki link was to show that the guy who looks like Diaclone Powered Convoy and bore the name "Delta Magnus" is a different person from Ultra Magnus. You didn't need the biocard translated to know that when the Wiki link already covers that information.

Not to mention the fact that the toy doesn't bear the name of "Ultra Magnus". If it were the same character as Ultra Magnus, it would be called something like "Ultra Magnus movie Preview Ver." or whatever. The name "Delta Magnus" is a key indicator on its own, and if not, the affirmation from those in this thread who are familiar with the character ought to have been enough to make clear his being a separate guy from Ultra Magnus. Plus, again, the Wiki page that CombaticonsCombine? linked to explains who the guy is.

Takara wouldn't use the name "Delta Magnus" if they didn't mean for it to be the guy that everyone was talking about, and they certainly wouldn't take the identity of a pre-established character like that and change it to being something like the same identity of Ultra Magnus in a new form. Takara is beholden to things past, especially in a line like the Masterpiece line.

Did someone pass on to the next plane of reality and appointed you supreme arbiter of what I should request or not? You above BURN now?

First, you contradict yourself. You post a link to the general thread for what? I requested a translation of the card. Some poster answers and is later responded upon by another with a link to info that I do not swallow hook line and sinker (wikis aren't written in stone as they are prone to errors and speculation by those who enters the info. Who vets their expertise. Also, the term DELTA Magnus comes from IDW if you are to accept the wiki entry as the gospel truth.

So now it doesn't matter? So the link is there. Then what?

Chronology:

1. I request a translation
2. Someone declares "He's Delta"
3. I again request a translation
3. Someone later posts a link.
4. I request again of which a translation was posted (something about vinegar and the like)

The chain of events matters in chronology. As in all court cases, it's how an event develops to its end.

Would not it be illogical for a link to first appear then I ask a question concerning the self same link? That would be stupid to ask for an answer that has already been given. The link was posted AFTER I again requested for a translation as the mere response of "He's Delta Magnus " is an inconclusive answer.

That is why I also queried prior if Delta Magnus is UM or another character. Because? Well I do not know this character. Who knows, maybe UM got a new paint job after taking too much energon. Optimus also got the black finish before he went into a black hole to get Nucleon or the solar absorbing black in THS02-b. That was still Optimus. So my question has precedence.

Also you contradict yourself now. Make up your mind. " biocard doesn't even apply to IDW's continuity anyway." Did I ever said that? No.

Concerning the wiki. It showcases some character that supposed to be this character but is JG1 but is NOW revealed to be different. I DID NOT KNOW that until I read it.

That is why I asked for the biocard translation

Also, the inclusion of the MP and the old Diaclone figure into the "Delta Magnus" section of the wiki is something again I consider "iffy".

That is why I asked for the biocard translation.

On my not needing to request anything.......who ARE you to tell me when I should request for some assistance to get the biocard translated? Is that some unwritten rule not to ask unless I get your blessing? Maybe BURN's blessing.......so long as it's in the rules.

I have an inquisitive mind. I ask if I do not know. I do NOT PRETEND to know everything, I'm not that dense. Hence I ask.

Also, you got a inside info on TT's business practices? TT can do just about anything they want. Slap the name Convoy on anything and people will swallow it whole without blinking. I feel your broad conclusion on that matter is by far unreliable, more on the speculation.

[galvatron00]

Pre-ordered at TFL, we will see if I want to keep it pre-ordered or not when it gets closer to release

[Va'al]

One of the latecomers from the Tokyo Toy Show 2016 is the later repaint of the Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP Ultra Magnus, in his Diaclone homage figure: Delta Magnus. Sporting the red, silver, and blue redeco, with new yellow eyes and nicely highlighted chest section, Twitter user s_tokisame shared the image mirrored below. Check it out!

[Batfan007]

They'd have to do a blue one first there G-dawg

Also, it's been pointed out that MP-31 was named as Primal by a more reputable source. So it's likely that Delta's number designate is wrong

As long as somebody is wrong and somebody else is right on an internet forum I'm happy.