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I just read that the humans chosen for induction this year are Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg? WTF!!!!!
WTF does Spielberg, the most overrated director that EVER lived, have to do with Transformers? He produced the movie, that is all!! Whoop-dee f'in do!!!
Michael Bay......Michael F'in Bay.....are you kidding me!!!
The most disheartening thing is that those two assclowns were chosen over the likes of Frank Welker, Chris Latta, or Flint Dille. I mean......ughhhhh....What about Spike or Sparkplug? Hell, I would have chosen Daniel from the '86 movie over that jackass Michael Bay.

I cannot wait until the scourge known as Michael Bay has been removed from the Transformers name after this summers movie comes to an end. The people who voted for these entries really should be ashamed of themselves for this travesty....

gambit020480 wrote:I just read that the humans chosen for induction this year are Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg? WTF!!!!!
WTF does Spielberg, the most overrated director that EVER lived, have to do with Transformers? He produced the movie, that is all!! Whoop-dee f'in do!!!
Michael Bay......Michael F'in Bay.....are you kidding me!!!
The most disheartening thing is that those two assclowns were chosen over the likes of Frank Welker, Chris Latta, or Flint Dille. I mean......ughhhhh....What about Spike or Sparkplug? Hell, I would have chosen Daniel from the '86 movie over that jackass Michael Bay.

I cannot wait until the scourge known as Michael Bay has been removed from the Transformers name after this summers movie comes to an end. The people who voted for these entries really should be ashamed of themselves for this travesty....

The truth is that no matter how you feel about the LAMs that they done more to elevate The Transformers from cult status to mainstream appeal. Without Spielberg the first movie probably would never have been made and they might have not gotten Bay to direct them without Spielberg or vice versa. So the fact that we Transfans are enjoying a Golden Age of The Transformers that puts the 80s to shame is because of these two men who stuck their careers and reputations on the line for these 3 films.

Cyberstrike wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:I just read that the humans chosen for induction this year are Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg? WTF!!!!!
WTF does Spielberg, the most overrated director that EVER lived, have to do with Transformers? He produced the movie, that is all!! Whoop-dee f'in do!!!
Michael Bay......Michael F'in Bay.....are you kidding me!!!
The most disheartening thing is that those two assclowns were chosen over the likes of Frank Welker, Chris Latta, or Flint Dille. I mean......ughhhhh....What about Spike or Sparkplug? Hell, I would have chosen Daniel from the '86 movie over that jackass Michael Bay.

I cannot wait until the scourge known as Michael Bay has been removed from the Transformers name after this summers movie comes to an end. The people who voted for these entries really should be ashamed of themselves for this travesty....

The truth is that no matter how you feel about the LAMs that they done more to elevate The Transformers from cult status to mainstream appeal. Without Spielberg the first movie probably would never have been made and they might have not gotten Bay to direct them without Spielberg or vice versa. So the fact that we Transfans are enjoying a Golden Age of The Transformers that puts the 80s to shame is because of these two men who stuck their careers and reputations on the line for these 3 films.

Seriously, you must be joking.......a golden age? No, that has come and gone about twenty years ago. What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go? I would rather have cult status. At least then you don't have people voting for the likes of Michael Bay over Frank Welker. Again, this summer cannot come and go quick enough. Thankfully Bay's bs version of the Transformers is finally come to an end.

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.

Media.

Influence.

Popularity.

Availability.

New product.

New releases of old product.

New fans/friends.

Old fans returned.

Evolution rather than stagnation.

Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.

Media.

Influence.

Popularity.

Availability.

New product.

New releases of old product.

New fans/friends.

Old fans returned.

Evolution rather than stagnation.

Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.
Media.
Influence.
Popularity.
Availability.
New product.
New releases of old product.
New fans/friends.
Old fans returned.
Evolution rather than stagnation.
Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

We all know how this arguement goes. The movies saved/destroyed a franchise that was in desperate need of revival/hanging in there for 20+ years, and the other side is completely wrong for their opinion.
I'm not trying to incite anythign or stir any pots, but is it really, really really too much for people to say that Transformers was not on the brink of collapse before the new movies came out? I'm not yelling like a nut over here, and I know full well the movies have done great things for the franchise. But everytime this comes up we get lectured about how the movies saved everything.
CP, you collect minicons, yeah? Weren;t minicons part of a line PRIOR to the live action movies? Does not the existance of such a vast number of minicons for you to collect mean that the franchise was not all but dead before the big screen came along? I know the franchise has done much better recently, thanks to the movies, but come on. Shakespeare didn't save drama just because Aeschylus dies centries before. I'm not sure why we have to pretend the past never was becasue we need to be careful not to hurt the fragile sensibilities of new fans, or whatever.
It's not about liking or hating the movies, its about getting rid of this stupid idea that the brand was a fossil until Shia LeBouf acted badly in front of a green screen.
30 years of beautiful tradition, you're god damned right I'm living in the past. I just don't get why it's company policy to selectively forget.

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.

Media.

Influence.

Popularity.

Availability.

New product.

New releases of old product.

New fans/friends.

Old fans returned.

Evolution rather than stagnation.

Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

I'm right, you are wrong; that's all there is to it.

No one should even bother having this discussion anymore.

Dagon wrote:CP, you collect minicons, yeah? Weren;t minicons part of a line PRIOR to the live action movies? Does not the existance of such a vast number of minicons for you to collect mean that the franchise was not all but dead before the big screen came along? I know the franchise has done much better recently, thanks to the movies, but come on. Shakespeare didn't save drama just because Aeschylus dies centries before. I'm not sure why we have to pretend the past never was becasue we need to be careful not to hurt the fragile sensibilities of new fans, or whatever.

I'm not making any such claim that the franchise was dead prior to the movies. I don't believe that at all.

The idea that the franchise is better off not having had 4+ years of mainstream promotion is absurd though.

Counterpunch wrote:

Dagon wrote:CP, you collect minicons, yeah? Weren;t minicons part of a line PRIOR to the live action movies? Does not the existance of such a vast number of minicons for you to collect mean that the franchise was not all but dead before the big screen came along? I know the franchise has done much better recently, thanks to the movies, but come on. Shakespeare didn't save drama just because Aeschylus dies centries before. I'm not sure why we have to pretend the past never was becasue we need to be careful not to hurt the fragile sensibilities of new fans, or whatever.

I'm not making any such claim that the franchise was dead prior to the movies. I don't believe that at all.

The idea that the franchise is better off not having had 4+ years of mainstream promotion is absurd though.

I agree with you. I just find it absurd that some people try to claim it was dead, and that only the infusion of the films was enough to bring it back. I wasn't saying that you said that, for reference. I guess I was just dropping your name as a reference to the pre-movie existance of the brand.
And I'm not saying the mainstream press is bad for the brand either. I just reject what seems to be a rather well tread notion that without that press the brand would have been lost. Hell they put Silverhawks out on DVD, and that brand went away a million years ago and has had zero contemporary or mainstream support. TFs have been around in cartoon form and toy form pretty steadily since 1984, and there's comcis and conventions and stuff too. We know better than to think that some movies 'saved' the franchise because we've lived with the franchise longer than just the summer of 2007.

Transformers wasn't dead when the first Bay movie came out. There were Transformers toys out there. But once that movie came out, Transformers became an everyday reference for kids again.

Case in point: I teach for a living. For 9 years I have kept a Megatron and an Optimus Prime on my desk. Before the first Bay movie came out, I had to explain to the kids why I had a two robots on my desk and who they were. After the movie the kids tell me all about when they saw the movies and they toys they have.

I semi-understand how Michael "Pinocchio" Bay is there, but Spielberg...

Before them, though, there are lots of others who would deserve those places: Aaron Archer, Don Fig, Simon Furman, Pat Lee, Yūki Ōshima, to name a few.

Chaoslock wrote:I semi-understand how Michael "Pinocchio" Bay is there, but Spielberg...

Before them, though, there are lots of others who would deserve those places: Aaron Archer, Don Fig, Simon Furman, Pat Lee, Yūki Ōshima, to name a few.

Spielberg is the one who wanted to make the movie in the first place (or the one who won the right to make it from Hasbro), Bay brought the idea to life. They go together because of that.

If not that, it's a move to build more hype for DOTM.

Raging fanboys are raging ... and funny to read.

Who actually genuinely cares about the Hall of Lame?

Oh, all I hear is crickets.

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.

Media.

Influence.

Popularity.

Availability.

New product.

New releases of old product.

New fans/friends.

Old fans returned.

Evolution rather than stagnation.

Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

I'm right, you are wrong; that's all there is to it.

No one should even bother having this discussion anymore.

Wow, nice attitude. Well, I'm glad you aren't running the show, because we would all probably be banned by now just for disagreeing.

Pretty lame.

Dagon wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.
Media.
Influence.
Popularity.
Availability.
New product.
New releases of old product.
New fans/friends.
Old fans returned.
Evolution rather than stagnation.
Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

We all know how this arguement goes. The movies saved/destroyed a franchise that was in desperate need of revival/hanging in there for 20+ years, and the other side is completely wrong for their opinion.
I'm not trying to incite anythign or stir any pots, but is it really, really really too much for people to say that Transformers was not on the brink of collapse before the new movies came out? I'm not yelling like a nut over here, and I know full well the movies have done great things for the franchise. But everytime this comes up we get lectured about how the movies saved everything.
CP, you collect minicons, yeah? Weren;t minicons part of a line PRIOR to the live action movies? Does not the existance of such a vast number of minicons for you to collect mean that the franchise was not all but dead before the big screen came along? I know the franchise has done much better recently, thanks to the movies, but come on. Shakespeare didn't save drama just because Aeschylus dies centries before. I'm not sure why we have to pretend the past never was becasue we need to be careful not to hurt the fragile sensibilities of new fans, or whatever.
It's not about liking or hating the movies, its about getting rid of this stupid idea that the brand was a fossil until Shia LeBouf acted badly in front of a green screen.
30 years of beautiful tradition, you're god damned right I'm living in the past. I just don't get why it's company policy to selectively forget.

Amen brother. I don't hate the movies either, but I don't think Michael Bay has any talent whatsoever. The only reason why the movie is cool is because of the CGI which he had nothing to do with. Don't worry though, people will be jumping off the bandwagon after the summer is over.

SJ21 wrote:Transformers wasn't dead when the first Bay movie came out. There were Transformers toys out there. But once that movie came out, Transformers became an everyday reference for kids again.

Case in point: I teach for a living. For 9 years I have kept a Megatron and an Optimus Prime on my desk. Before the first Bay movie came out, I had to explain to the kids why I had a two robots on my desk and who they were. After the movie the kids tell me all about when they saw the movies and they toys they have.

Their parents are to blame for that as they don't introduce children to the Transformers. They just barely take the time to squeeze in a 2hr movie mayble once a month. That is why this generation knows who the Transformers are. That and really aggressive marketing that is movie bias.
Both of my sons, ages 2 and 3, know who the Transformers are. the real Transformers. They watch the cartoon practially at least once a day because they love it. I never forced it on them because I liked it. I like Marvel stuff as well, but they don't really care for that stuff...at least yet. But they LOVE Transformers G1. As I type this they are watching it. I can't remember the name of the episode, but it is the one where the decepticons team up with the underwater fish people.
I showed them the last 25 min of the live action movie and it flat out scared them to death when they saw Megatron. My son kept saying, "Daddy....thats not Megatron...."

The plot sucks in all the new movies, the actors are crap because they are overpaid, and the director is an egotistical moron that had to have made a deal with the devil to get where he is today. Because he is a talentless idiot that could not convey a nursery rhyme thru popup books. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a Transformers movie done right, with just a liitle bit of camp, because it is a robot movie. But the new Transformers movies are way too dark and it takes itself way too seriously. The Transformers designs themselves even convey this.

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.

Media.

Influence.

Popularity.

Availability.

New product.

New releases of old product.

New fans/friends.

Old fans returned.

Evolution rather than stagnation.

Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

I'm right, you are wrong; that's all there is to it.

No one should even bother having this discussion anymore.

Wow, nice attitude. Well, I'm glad you aren't running the show, because we would all probably be banned by now just for disagreeing.

Pretty lame.

Sarcasm: Learn to recognize it online please.

gambit020480 wrote:Their parents are to blame for that as they don't introduce children to the Transformers

So, is not liking transformers a bad thing? Some people just can't rock TFs, you know?

gambit020480 wrote: But the new Transformers movies are way too dark and it takes itself way too seriously. The Transformers designs themselves even convey this.

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And I don't want to show Tutturo's thong!

JetOptimus23 wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.

Media.

Influence.

Popularity.

Availability.

New product.

New releases of old product.

New fans/friends.

Old fans returned.

Evolution rather than stagnation.

Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

I'm right, you are wrong; that's all there is to it.

No one should even bother having this discussion anymore.

Wow, nice attitude. Well, I'm glad you aren't running the show, because we would all probably be banned by now just for disagreeing.

Pretty lame.

Sarcasm: Learn to recognize it online please.

gambit020480 wrote:Their parents are to blame for that as they don't introduce children to the Transformers

So, is not liking transformers a bad thing? Some people just can't rock TFs, you know?

gambit020480 wrote: But the new Transformers movies are way too dark and it takes itself way too seriously. The Transformers designs themselves even convey this.

...


And I don't want to show Tutturo's thong!

The humor you are referring to is inappropriate toliet humor ony a five year old would find funny. I actually found that scene to be idiotic and pretty much described Mr. Bay's attitude and committment to makin the Transformers a great film.
I did not take his comment as sarcasm, especially coming from a mod. It came across as egotistical and authorative. If he was being sarcastic, as you say, you could not tell at first glance.

gambit020480 wrote:Wow, nice attitude. Well, I'm glad you aren't running the show, because we would all probably be banned by now just for disagreeing.

Pretty lame.

How boring. I have no interest in banning people for discussing things. Every time you rant about Michael Bay it only makes my arguments (and really anyone else who is looking at the matter objectively) look that much more rational and accurate.

(You complete me.)

See, you're angry about something where as I, simply couldn't care less. I like the movie franchise somewhere in the range of "More than Energon" but "Less than Armada". I rip on the whole movie universe on a regular basis.

That being said, I'm not so terribly short sighted to deny the fact that Michael Bay and the film franchises have changed our hobby and the Transformers in a positive and massive way. Your problem is that you can't get past your foul mood and bias towards the films to see the good they've done and why the Michaels are deserving of a place in the Hall of Fame.

gambit020480 wrote:I did not take his comment as sarcasm, especially coming from a mod. It came across as egotistical and authorative. If he was being sarcastic, as you say, you could not tell at first glance.

You can have your opinion on Bay and who should be in the HoF and who should not.

However, to restate what I said before (and not to be sarcastic in any way); you are wrong if you think that Bay and the film franchises have not had a massive impact on Transformers worthy of putting them in the HoF.

Whether they should have gone in before some other people, I don't know and I don't care.

gambit020480 wrote:

Dagon wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:A large, large quote.

Amen brother. I don't hate the movies either, but I don't think Michael Bay has any talent whatsoever. The only reason why the movie is cool is because of the CGI which he had nothing to do with. Don't worry though, people will be jumping off the bandwagon after the summer is over.

Look dude, I think the problem may be that you're really, really vitriolic about this, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the state of the fandom right now is that if you get all worked up over the Bayverse, you are pointed at and laughed at as being a Geewunner who's stuck in the past, and that laughter only serves to make you more worked up. It's a terribly vicious cycle that for whatever reason doesn't look like it's going away, because other forums have it too. For a time I thought it was only on here since Seibertron tries to be a little more all ages friendly, but its not just here.
Now, I'm not saying that you're wrong for feeling the way that you do. I find it to be very maddening at times the way it appears there's this disconnect where people can't just accept that these movies are X (whatever X is for you) and it seems like we always hide behind these stupid "Transformers are for kids" excuses. I've never said they aren't for kids. But I like them too, and how it makes sense that I need to like something because other people say kids like it is just beyond me. The existance of Botcon disrupts the "just for kids" arguement, and if you've ever bought a TFCC exclusive the box says "Adult collectible," so it must be alright that I like these toys and their media also.
And I know that the mods canbe frustrating also sometimes. They are working to keep the peace, but that often looks like they're just trying to shut you down for voicing your opinion. It starts to feel like the only way to speak your mind is by keeping your mouth shut. I'm not trying to say we're oppressed here or anything, but I know how it can feel. (Mods, my love to you though. I'm not talking smack, just opinin'.)
Sometimes people jump on you for saying something sane and lump in in with the crazies. Saying "I didn't like Devastators' balls in ROTF..." gets you classed with the people who allegedly sent death threats to Bay, and those things aren't even sort of the same idea.
Everyone says "I'm not trying to change your mind or force my opinion on you..." but, essentially many people are. You'll never get people to see it your way. It's like the best thing to do is have your own opinion, and share it when you think it's safe enough to do so. I don't know why it is this way, and Bay'ers will blame Geewunners and Geewunners will blame Bay'ers, and when the sun goes nova the debate will be settled.
So, I think I've successfully made myself look like a shill, but I'm just trying to say: I think your anger over the issue is clouding your argument, which I mostly agree with.

Dagon wrote:And I know that the mods canbe frustrating also sometimes. They are working to keep the peace, but that often looks like they're just trying to shut you down for voicing your opinion. It starts to feel like the only way to speak your mind is by keeping your mouth shut. I'm not trying to say we're oppressed here or anything, but I know how it can feel. (Mods, my love to you though. I'm not talking smack, just opinin'.)

You know, it works easily the other way. Being a mod means you can't voice your opinion because as soon as you do someone cries that you're oppressing theirs.

That's why I don't give a damn, I'll argue any and everything on here. As long as people abide by the rules of not insulting others, everything stays on track.

That doesn't mean you are prevented from ripping other people's opinions apart when they're based on weak conclusions and absent facts.

If you want to say something in public, be prepared for public scrutiny.

And as for the mods here being frustrating? I can show you the mod logs sometime. We don't bother with 99% of the things said on here. Hardly anyone is ever banned or warned.

I pretty much refuse to let anything bad be said about the staff here. They work too hard keeping the news updated and preventing the forums from being flooded by Russian and Chinese spam bots.

Counterpunch wrote:

Dagon wrote:And I know that the mods canbe frustrating also sometimes. They are working to keep the peace, but that often looks like they're just trying to shut you down for voicing your opinion. It starts to feel like the only way to speak your mind is by keeping your mouth shut. I'm not trying to say we're oppressed here or anything, but I know how it can feel. (Mods, my love to you though. I'm not talking smack, just opinin'.)

You know, it works easily the other way. Being a mod means you can't voice your opinion because as soon as you do someone cries that you're oppressing theirs.

That's why I don't give a damn, I'll argue any and everything on here. As long as people abide by the rules of not insulting others, everything stays on track.

That doesn't mean you are prevented from ripping other people's opinions apart when they're based on weak conclusions and absent facts.

If you want to say something in public, be prepared for public scrutiny.

And as for the mods here being frustrating? I can show you the mod logs sometime. We don't bother with 99% of the things said on here. Hardly anyone is ever banned or warned.

I pretty much refuse to let anything bad be said about the staff here. They work too hard keeping the news updated and preventing the forums from being flooded by Russian and Chinese spam bots.

Well, it wasn't my intent to speak ill of the mod crew. And I know that it's a double edged sword. In fact, the part of my post you quoted doesn't say an ill word about you guys. I don't need to see any kind of logs to see what kind of work you guys do, or even to guess at how much crybabying goes on that you guys let slide for your sanities' sake. I'm not trying to imply that this is an oppressive place or anything.
I just think the OP is frustrated, and when people get frustrated on here, I think more often than not it's because they feel like people are bandwagoning against them and their opinion, especially if you're not a fan of the movies. You guys try to brush it off when people start argueing, like you're setting an adult example in front of children. (What I mean) You guys mean is "Don't let other people's opinions piss you off," and you're more than 100% correct by saying that. It's just that it can feel like "Oh man, even the mods are against me!!!!!111!!!" and I think that's where OP's feelings were heading.

gambit020480 wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

gambit020480 wrote:What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go?

Money.

Media.

Influence.

Popularity.

Availability.

New product.

New releases of old product.

New fans/friends.

Old fans returned.

Evolution rather than stagnation.

Pretty much...everything possible is better this way. Don't be the last guy selling buggy whips when everyone is driving a Model-T.

The Transformers have been alive and thriving for years before Bay got his hands on the film. New products would have came w/o the film, and we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space. Your last comment was irrevelant to what I am talking about and really makes no sense. Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.
Again, I can't wait until the fall.......

I'm right, you are wrong; that's all there is to it.

No one should even bother having this discussion anymore.

Wow, nice attitude. Well, I'm glad you aren't running the show, because we would all probably be banned by now just for disagreeing.

Pretty lame.

Sarcasm: Learn to recognize it online please.

gambit020480 wrote:Their parents are to blame for that as they don't introduce children to the Transformers

So, is not liking transformers a bad thing? Some people just can't rock TFs, you know?

gambit020480 wrote: But the new Transformers movies are way too dark and it takes itself way too seriously. The Transformers designs themselves even convey this.

...


And I don't want to show Tutturo's thong!

The humor you are referring to is inappropriate toliet humor ony a five year old would find funny. I actually found that scene to be idiotic and pretty much described Mr. Bay's attitude and committment to makin the Transformers a great film.
I did not take his comment as sarcasm, especially coming from a mod. It came across as egotistical and authorative. If he was being sarcastic, as you say, you could not tell at first glance.

I'm just saying that the movies aren't that serious. That's why i'm excited for DoTM; it's supposed to be darker and less toliet humorey...is that even a real word?

But anyways, don't worry about whose inducted into the Hof, just live your life and don't get too angry about it...its bad for your soul.

Lets see...

gambit020480 wrote:I just read that the humans chosen for induction this year are Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg? WTF!!!!!
WTF does Spielberg, the most overrated director that EVER lived, have to do with Transformers? He produced the movie, that is all!! Whoop-dee f'in do!!!
Michael Bay......Michael F'in Bay.....are you kidding me!!!
The most disheartening thing is that those two assclowns were chosen over the likes of Frank Welker, Chris Latta, or Flint Dille. I mean......ughhhhh....What about Spike or Sparkplug? Hell, I would have chosen Daniel from the '86 movie over that jackass Michael Bay.
I cannot wait until the scourge known as Michael Bay has been removed from the Transformers name after this summers movie comes to an end. The people who voted for these entries really should be ashamed of themselves for this travesty....
Seriously, you must be joking.......a golden age? No, that has come and gone about twenty years ago. What makes you believe mainstream is a good way to go? I would rather have cult status. At least then you don't have people voting for the likes of Michael Bay over Frank Welker. Again, this summer cannot come and go quick enough. Thankfully Bay's bs version of the Transformers is finally come to an end.

Why so much hatred towards then?Did they come to your house and steal your money?Do you actually know then?One thing is not like their work,another is call then names for no good reason.They respect Transfomers and without then a movie would never be made,and the reinterst and attention would not be here.

bandwagoners

Are you trying to coin a new term?Because its not working.

Mainstream bring s nothing to the table, but greed and bandwagoners.

If they made movie different from this one and made sucess,would you complain because it was mainstream?About greed,well...Hasbro has always made profit with Transformers.
And about new fans?Well its good thing that the fandom is growing and we have more people enjoing this hobby.Just because they like the movies they are not fans?Everyone has their own to enjoy Transformers.

we would have had more modern G1 stuff if the movie lines were not eating up shelve space.

Wrong.Without the movie stuff Hasbro couldnt have more lines,the toys are popular and allow for more new products to be made.
We can have more variety.
Besides if dont like,you dont have to buy it.

Their parents are to blame for that as they don't introduce children to the Transformers.

Its not obligatory,and not all parents were into Transformers.You can always introduce them and let they see on their own.

They just barely take the time to squeeze in a 2hr movie mayble once a month.

Have you seem or talked talked every parent?You are generelizing it.

Both of my sons, ages 2 and 3, know who the Transformers are. the real Transformers.

Who are the true Transformers?There are many incarnations and none is more true than the other.Who are you to say what is a true fan?

They watch the cartoon practially at least once a day because they love it. I never forced it on them because I liked it.But they LOVE Transformers G1.I showed them the last 25 min of the live action movie and it flat out scared them to death when they saw Megatron. My son kept saying, "Daddy....thats not Megatron...."

Its seems that you only G1 to them,there are many versions and none are better or moe true than others.

The plot sucks in all the new movies, the actors are crap because they are overpaid, and the director is an egotistical moron that had to have made a deal with the devil to get where he is today. Because he is a talentless idiot that could not convey a nursery rhyme thru popup books. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a Transformers movie done right, with just a liitle bit of camp, because it is a robot movie. But the new Transformers movies are way too dark and it takes itself way too seriously. The Transformers designs themselves even convey this.

Once again you are insulting people for nothing and its your opinion,not an fact.

If dont like the movies its fine,but ruin for those who do.