The Energon Pub

http://www.youtube.com/user/mitchsantona · by **mitchsantona** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:59 pm

I think on the cutting room floor the Autobots made a new portable housing for the All-Spark which OP wore around his neck. The nod to the fans is probably that it is shaped like the Autobot Matrix.

Speaking of cutting room floor, I have to imagine there are some scenes we could all use restored for the DVD release SINCE the last half of Endgame seemed so rushed.

by **Rial Vestro** » Sun May 24, 2009 2:11 pm

I think the AllSpark in G1 terms would actully be more the equivilant of Vector Sigma. Even in End Game I thought what Prowl was doing when he couldn't gather all the fragments was simular to how Alpha Trion joined with Vector Sigma in G1. Not exactly the same thing but both bots were useing their own "sparks" (leser core, whatever you want to call it) to bost the power of a life giveing device.

The Autobot Matrix and the Magnus Hammer are both symbols of leadership.

BTW Where does everyone keep getting the name Stormbringer from? I don't recall that name ever being said in the sereis.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mitchsantona · by **mitchsantona** » Sun May 24, 2009 2:48 pm

Isn't Stormbringer Thor's Hammer?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun May 24, 2009 3:17 pm

Rial Vestro wrote:The Autobot Matrix and the Magnus Hammer are both symbols of leadership.

The Autobot Matrix was more then a "symbol of leadership".

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:04 pm

mitchsantona wrote:Isn't Stormbringer Thor's Hammer?

That's Mjolnir.

You're probably thinking of Stormbreaker which is Beta Ray Bill's hammer.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:39 pm

i'm pisseed that they left so many unresolved questions

Whats Sari's origin?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:41 pm

Rial Vestro wrote:BTW Where does everyone keep getting the name Stormbringer from? I don't recall that name ever being said in the sereis.

The name "Stormbringer" was given to Ultra Magnus' hammer in the bio for the Roadbuster Ultra Magnus toy, which is interesting since that figure was released prior to season 3's debut meaning that name came before "Magnus Hammer" did.

So, a way to utilize both names would be to call it "Stormbinger the Magnus Hammer" (which is a bit of a mouthful to say, so calling it either name would still be correct).

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun May 24, 2009 5:58 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Rial Vestro wrote:The Autobot Matrix and the Magnus Hammer are both symbols of leadership.

The Autobot Matrix was more then a "symbol of leadership".

The Matrix can unleash immense power, (Not unlike the AllSpark) stopping the hate plague or destroying Unicron. The Magnus Hammer couldn't even destroy Megatron.

Name_Violation wrote:i'm pisseed that they left so many unresolved questions

Whats Sari's origin?

She was a protoform, likely from the Nemesis, that ended up in Sumdac's lab for whatever reason. They explained that already.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:17 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:i'm pisseed that they left so many unresolved questions

Whats Sari's origin?

She was a protoform, likely from the Nemesis, that ended up in Sumdac's lab for whatever reason. They explained that already.

but they needed to explain more about her.

also since shes a transformer, whats her altmode? does she just get a facemask and robo-hands? they need to give her a proper alt mode, girl, and girl with facemask and robo hands is kinda lame if thats all she does. I mean bumblebee and optimus have face masks. so that makes human her robot mode?

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:21 pm

Name_Violation wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:i'm pisseed that they left so many unresolved questions

Whats Sari's origin?

She was a protoform, likely from the Nemesis, that ended up in Sumdac's lab for whatever reason. They explained that already.

but they needed to explain more about her.

also since shes a transformer, whats her altmode? does she just get a facemask and robo-hands? they need to give her a proper alt mode, girl, and girl with facemask and robo hands is kinda lame if thats all she does. I mean bumblebee and optimus have face masks. so that makes human her robot mode?

Sari's not a Transformer, she's a human-cybertronian hybrid. She's essentially an Action Master.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:22 pm

Oh crud! I thought of something that makes Sari's origin even MORE confusing.

When we find out what became of the protoforms Lockdown stole, we learn that they were placed on Megatron's warship. If Sari's protoform was one of these, something doesn't make sense about this.

Sari's protoform was found in Sumdac's lab some time during the 50-year timespan following the Autobots' crash on Earth and prior to their awakening on Earth.

In the ending of "Transform and Roll Out, Part 2" (which takes place after the Autobots' awakening), we see Starscream on the ruined warship, still floating in space, having not crashed on Earth's moon yet.

If her protoform came from the warship, how would it have gotten in Sumdac's lab (on Earth) if the warship had not yet reached the vicinity of Earth until after Sari was already at age 8?

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:09 pm

Maybe Megatron carried it on him. He might really eat protoforms for breakfast and that was a snack he had on him when he crashed to Earth. Or maybe he had it as a backup in case his body was damaged so much he needed to house his spark somewhere else. So by the time he came back online it was already activated. Megatron is the only link to Cybertron in Sumdac's lab so he must have something to do with that protoform.

News Credits: 3 · by **Name_Violation** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:13 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Maybe Megatron carried it on him. He might really eat protoforms for breakfast and that was a snack he had on him when he crashed to Earth. Or maybe he had it as a backup in case his body was damaged so much he needed to house his spark somewhere else. So by the time he came back online it was already activated. Megatron is the only link to Cybertron in Sumdac's lab so he must have something to do with that protoform.

kinda what i was thinking.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:15 pm

Shadowman wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Rial Vestro wrote:The Autobot Matrix and the Magnus Hammer are both symbols of leadership.

The Autobot Matrix was more then a "symbol of leadership".

The Matrix can unleash immense power, (Not unlike the AllSpark) stopping the hate plague or destroying Unicron.

And thats just some of what it could do.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:21 pm

Name_Violation wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Maybe Megatron carried it on him. He might really eat protoforms for breakfast and that was a snack he had on him when he crashed to Earth. Or maybe he had it as a backup in case his body was damaged so much he needed to house his spark somewhere else. So by the time he came back online it was already activated. Megatron is the only link to Cybertron in Sumdac's lab so he must have something to do with that protoform.

kinda what i was thinking.

That still doesn't solve the mystery. If he kept it on his person, that would explain how it got to Earth, but not how it got in the lab.

Remember, Megs' head was separated from its body. The head landed in Sumdac's backyard, while the body (likely) landed far away in the mountains. The protoform would've been with his body, which wasn't recovered until 50 years later, when Sari was already alive.

Or, if the protoform was somehow with his head (which doesn't sound logical), Sumdac would've found it with the head and would've brought into the lab himself with the head. Yet, Sumdac himself said that he found the protoform in his lab, not knowing how it got there.

So now we're back to square one.

by **Rial Vestro** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:44 pm

No no no. Sari's human form is her alt mode. The face mask thing is her robot mode.

Remember when Issac Sumdac found the protoform, it shocked him and then Sari was there. So basically that shock was the protoform scanning it's alt mode. I think that like the Female Starscream Sari is just a female version of Issac sence she came from a female protoform.

Sari is basically just historys first human transformer. Her hands, head, and chest detailing changes when she transforms. Some how her eyes change as well as they look more organic in human form and in robot mode they look like the rest of the Autobots.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:48 pm

Rial Vestro wrote:Some how her eyes change as well as they look more organic in human form and in robot mode they look like the rest of the Autobots.

I think that might be due to a special visor or something like that.

by **Tristar** » Sun May 24, 2009 8:13 pm

We don't know what the Magnus Hammer is fully capable of. Remember Optimus Prime was learning how to use the Magnus hammer on the fly in a very litteral since. The magnus hammer could have been used by Optimus on his way back to Cybertron to creae a new container for the collected Allspark fragments.

Here's something to ponder on...why does Sari's protoform look very different from the other Protoforms displayed?

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Mon May 25, 2009 12:55 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Maybe Megatron carried it on him. He might really eat protoforms for breakfast and that was a snack he had on him when he crashed to Earth. Or maybe he had it as a backup in case his body was damaged so much he needed to house his spark somewhere else. So by the time he came back online it was already activated. Megatron is the only link to Cybertron in Sumdac's lab so he must have something to do with that protoform.

kinda what i was thinking.
That still doesn't solve the mystery. If he kept it on his person, that would explain how it got to Earth, but not how it got in the lab.

Remember, Megs' head was separated from its body. The head landed in Sumdac's backyard, while the body (likely) landed far away in the mountains. The protoform would've been with his body, which wasn't recovered until 50 years later, when Sari was already alive.

Or, if the protoform was somehow with his head (which doesn't sound logical), Sumdac would've found it with the head and would've brought into the lab himself with the head. Yet, Sumdac himself said that he found the protoform in his lab, not knowing how it got there.

So now we're back to square one.

It was pretty small, he could have kept it in his head. Issac could have found the capsule it was contained in and took it off Megatron, where it opened some time later.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:05 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:It was pretty small, he could have kept it in his head.

It wasnt that small.I suppose it could fit in his head, if you want to beleave that a TF's head contains enough empty space.

Evil_the_Nub wrote: Issac could have found the capsule it was contained in and took it off Megatron, where it opened some time later.

If Issac found the capsule in Megatrons head, as you suggest, I cant believe he wouldnt have found a way to opened it immediately.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:31 am

The capsule she was in would be like a marble to Megatron. Issace probably didn't know what it was, as far as he knew it could have been a bomb, a salad shooter, or a flotation device. He would have taken my time to understand what it was before he started messing with it.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Mon May 25, 2009 1:44 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:He probably didn't know what it was, as far as he knew it could have been a bomb, a salad shooter, or a flotation device. I would have taken my time to understand what it was before I started messing with it.

All you did was just make my case stronger.

Issac was all about reverse engineering everything he found in Megatron's head.

And if he thought for an second that there was a bomb in that capsule he would have found out what was inside for sure.

And BTW, I cant imagine he wouldnt have told Sari that he found her in a capsule he took out of Megatron.He was opening uo to her about what he knew about her origins.

And the way the scene played out, and what we know about his character, I cant believe he would have held anymore info from her at that point.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:04 am

He could have found it that morning and didn't get a chance to mess with it. I don't know how it happened, I'm just speculating. But Megatron is still the only link between Cybertron and Sumdac's lab, so it stands to reason he is connected to the protoform that was there.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mitchsantona · by **mitchsantona** » Mon May 25, 2009 7:57 am

I thought Sumdac said he didnt know how to explain it but one day the Protoform was just there. My theory is that someone Transwarped it into the lab to try to help resurrect Megatron, and Sumdac found it first. I'm sure there was probably more to the story than what we saw.

by **Newtilator** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:13 am

Sabrblade wrote:Oh crud! I thought of something that makes Sari's origin even MORE confusing.

When we find out what became of the protoforms Lockdown stole, we learn that they were placed on Megatron's warship. If Sari's protoform was one of these, something doesn't make sense about this.

Sari's protoform was found in Sumdac's lab some time during the 50-year timespan following the Autobots' crash on Earth and prior to their awakening on Earth.

In the ending of "Transform and Roll Out, Part 2" (which takes place after the Autobots' awakening), we see Starscream on the ruined warship, still floating in space, having not crashed on Earth's moon yet.

If her protoform came from the warship, how would it have gotten in Sumdac's lab (on Earth) if the warship had not yet reached the vicinity of Earth until after Sari was already at age 8?

Who says Sari started out as a baby, or that protoforms grow at the same rate as humans. Puberty was one big leap remember?