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mooncake623 wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.

The defination of a HasTak Third party toy. Is a bigger toy class than the original toy scale. Much more articulation, Higher sculpt. toys that look like they were sculpted for adults fans and not for young kids. Think UT Ordin team members and TW Throttler team members fit these requirements to get called MP TF toys.

This is not the definition of a Masterpiece Transformer. This is your definition of a Masterpiece Transformer.

Don't put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!

Not just my defination. Seems to be the majority of the online fans defination of what constitutes a Third party MP TF toy.

Over sized toy + MP Articulated bot + high sculpt = Masterpiece level 3rd party toy.

Recent example were the Two Third Party Astrotrain toys. Despite DX9 Astrotrain barely looking anything like the Original toy or cartoon designs. Most online fans consider DX9 Chigurh a MP level toy due mainly for it huge size. coupled with articulation and high sculpt.

Despite TW Astrotrain looking more like the original toy and cartoon designs. Many fans refused to consider it a MP toy. saying it was too small and needed to be bigger.

Apparently having MP level articulation, cartoon and toy accurate modes. high sculpt aimed at adults were not enough to get this toy get called a MP level toy. It needed to be huge as a main factor for MP Level.

Even after I gave examples of TW Astrotrain deserving to be a MP toy. Based off him being a pinch bigger than the MP seekers and way bigger than the MP cars bots. this still was not good enough for fans to call this a MP toy due to size.

Tsu wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.

Really? Show me specifically where UniqueToys and ToyWorld THEMSELVES state that these are aimed towards MP collectors.

Tsu wrote:The defination of a HasTak Third party toy. Is a bigger toy class than the original toy scale. Much more articulation, Higher sculpt. toys that look like they were sculpted for adults fans and not for young kids. Think UT Ordin team members and TW Throttler team members fit these requirements to get called MP TF toys.

Yeah. Those attributes PLUS being incredibly faithful to cartoon models, not taking liberties wherever they please.

Tsu wrote:Not just my defination. Seems to be the majority of the online fans defination of what constitutes a Third party MP TF toy. Over sized toy + MP Articulated bot + high sculpt = Masterpiece level 3rd party toy.

Then why is it every time you make this statement you get such opposition?

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.

The defination of a HasTak Third party toy. Is a bigger toy class than the original toy scale. Much more articulation, Higher sculpt. toys that look like they were sculpted for adults fans and not for young kids. Think UT Ordin team members and TW Throttler team members fit these requirements to get called MP TF toys.

This is not the definition of a Masterpiece Transformer. This is your definition of a Masterpiece Transformer.

Don't put that evil on us Ricky Bobby!

Not just my defination. Seems to be the majority of the online fans defination of what constitutes a Third party MP TF toy.

What on god's good earth are you talking about? Majority of online fans? What, did you take a poll or something? You have at least 5 guys right here jumping all over you for this, with no defenders, and somehow you have the support of a "majority" of the online fandom?

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Over sized toy

Over-sized compared to what? You're confusing scale and size class again! They are NOT the same thing.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:+ MP Articulated bot

Besides for the hands and ankle tilts/pivots, I'm not sure what you might be referring too. Either way...

Tsutsukakushi wrote:+ high sculpt

High sculpt is such a generic and relative term - again, high compared to what? Most of the Generations toys are phenomenally sculpted these days. Or how about the movie toys, with all their extra detail?

Tsutsukakushi wrote:= Masterpiece level 3rd party toy.

The point of MP figures is to faithfully represent the G1 characters. So by definition, if a figure has the scale (not size!), articulation, and 'sculpt', but doesn't bring a screen accurate (or as screen accurate as possible) G1 representation of the character, it can't be elevated to the MP playing field.

And we're not even going to broach topics like quality or IP here.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Recent example were the Two Third Party Astrotrain toys. Despite DX9 Astrotrain barely looking anything like the Original toy or cartoon designs. Most online fans consider DX9 Chigurh a MP level toy due mainly for it huge size. coupled with articulation and high sculpt.

Despite TW Astrotrain looking more like the original toy and cartoon designs. Many fans refused to consider it a MP toy. saying it was too small and needed to be bigger.

Apparently having MP level articulation, cartoon and toy accurate modes. high sculpt aimed at adults were not enough to get this toy get called a MP level toy. It needed to be huge as a main factor for MP Level.

Even after I gave examples of TW Astrotrain deserving to be a MP toy. Based off him being a pinch bigger than the MP seekers and way bigger than the MP cars bots. this still was not good enough for fans to call this a MP toy due to size.

Not sure what all the are for.

Also... that example seems to ring particularly hollow.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.

Please cite the reference where either Unique Toys or ToyWorld even suggest, much less outright declare, that those sets of figures are Masterpiece figures. Otherwise, stop recalling the issue (which really just seems to be YOUR issue) and then asking people not to comment on it.

Also, ToyWorld released Grindrod in Sept/Oct 2012 (according to my order from BBTS). MP Sideswipe came out around the same time. That means that ToyWorld was working on these Throttlebots before this resurgence of MP really even took off. These were created for collectors' Classics displays. They might look good next to MP, but that doesn't mean they were created as such.

Again, stop stating your opinions as facts. We've been down this road before, and it really delineates any constructive discussion on these forums.

necr0blivion wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.

Please cite the reference where either Unique Toys or ToyWorld even suggest, much less outright declare, that those sets of figures are Masterpiece figures. Otherwise, stop recalling the issue (which really just seems to be YOUR issue) and then asking people not to comment on it.

Also, ToyWorld released Grindrod in Sept/Oct 2012 (according to my order from BBTS). MP Sideswipe came out around the same time. That means that ToyWorld was working on these Throttlebots before this resurgence of MP really even took off. These were created for collectors' Classics displays. They might look good next to MP, but that doesn't mean they were created as such.

Again, stop stating your opinions as facts. We've been down this road before, and it really delineates any constructive discussion on these forums.

See, this is the tenor rebuttal comments should take.

I like this a lot better than my internet yelling.

megatronus wrote:

necr0blivion wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't even know why this needs to be defined. As the 3rd party companies making UT Ordin and TW Throttler are calling these toys Mastyerpiece toys not CHUG toys.

Please cite the reference where either Unique Toys or ToyWorld even suggest, much less outright declare, that those sets of figures are Masterpiece figures. Otherwise, stop recalling the issue (which really just seems to be YOUR issue) and then asking people not to comment on it.

Also, ToyWorld released Grindrod in Sept/Oct 2012 (according to my order from BBTS). MP Sideswipe came out around the same time. That means that ToyWorld was working on these Throttlebots before this resurgence of MP really even took off. These were created for collectors' Classics displays. They might look good next to MP, but that doesn't mean they were created as such.

Again, stop stating your opinions as facts. We've been down this road before, and it really delineates any constructive discussion on these forums.

See, this is the tenor rebuttal comments should take.

I like this a lot better than my internet yelling.

Internet yelling is fun though.

Delta Magnus wrote:Internet yelling is fun though.

WHY YES. YES IT IS!!!

YELL, MONKEY BOY, YELL

I've really and honestly considered making a YouTube channel called, "Is it Classics? Staring ME Counterpunch!" where I discuss a variety of issues related to whether things are Classics or just ****.

I'm dead serious.

Don't care about this anymore to continue.

The only reason I made such a big fuss in this thread. Was due to me being frustrated that all the other bigger sized TF toys threads were getting trolled by that guy. then that guy turns around, make exceptions and buys these over sized MP TF toys.

to give a example. It's the equivelant of the Governor of a state going around shutting down strip clubs. Then that same Governor gets caught in a, paid escort scandal months later.

Um, Tsus, isn't it sort of spamming to post the exact same thing like this in multiple threads? Why not just not post at all? O_o

Counterpunch wrote:I've really and honestly considered making a YouTube channel called, "Is it Classics? Staring ME Counterpunch!" where I discuss a variety of issues related to whether things are Classics or just ****.

I'm dead serious.

I might just have to subscribe to such a channel!

But, yeah, I cannot wait for the last two bots in this set. Since I posted that screen shot earlier, I kinda want to pull out my Legends Rodimus and recreate it...

Counterpunch wrote:I've really and honestly considered making a YouTube channel called, "Is it Classics? Staring ME Counterpunch!" where I discuss a variety of issues related to whether things are Classics or just ****.

Will you try to do a good Greg Berger impersonation of "Me Grimlock"? Because that would be good for some serious laughs.

Would be a nice topic for the Twincast, if y'all were actually talking about non-Hasbro/Takara figures as a bullet point.

Delta Magnus wrote: What Toyworld did with their combiners was an absolute travesty and put me off both their Dinobots and their Throttlebots. Having that much useless combiner kibble is utterly unacceptable in 2015, especially when HasTak are doing such a good job with their combiners (even the hands and feet do stuff). Ordin is especially disappointing given that from the beginning it looked like they were going to properly integrate the parts, with the feet forming neat missile pods. But then they went and made the hands and the chestplate do nothing at all and it ruined it for me. If HasTak can do it I damn well expect it out of a 3P.

I know some simpletons may have difficulty coping with such intimidating concepts as "spatial awareness" and "not being a hamhands" but not all of us are total klutzes that can't handle any significant amount of engineering. Honestly X, with all your whining about how parts integration "ruins" figures, complaining about complicated engineering and general opposition to Transformers doing any actual transformation, I'm surprised you don't just collect non-transforming action figures and static versions of their alt modes.

megatronus wrote:I guess that makes me a "simpleton."

DM, I know many of these figures are aspirational purchases for you, so it may be hard to truly understand how much of a b**** Fansproject Menasor is to transform, and how parts integration comes at the expense of playability and fun.

Diesel transformation: 45 minutes. CW Menasor transformation: 30 seconds.

I really don't care if the parts are super well integrated. I would prefer if they had some pegs so they can be carried on one of the figure's backs, but really that's all I require functionally, and even that's not a big deal.

Saying things are acceptable and unacceptable in absolute terms doesn't further the conversation any, so I would avoid those. These are toys homaging 80s toys. Should they be better? Yea. Do they need to integrate parts? Not necessarily - it depends how well it's done. Sometimes you want a weapon or hand or foot or chest plate that does that really well over a half measure in the name of integration.

In defense of Delta Magnus, I support his responses reactions replies in this thread.

When all your doing is running around posting 100 hate insulting toys replies in threads each week. These types of post frustrate members and you get fighting counter replies.

That sure doesn't sound like you're defending him

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote: What Toyworld did with their combiners was an absolute travesty and put me off both their Dinobots and their Throttlebots. Having that much useless combiner kibble is utterly unacceptable in 2015, especially when HasTak are doing such a good job with their combiners (even the hands and feet do stuff). Ordin is especially disappointing given that from the beginning it looked like they were going to properly integrate the parts, with the feet forming neat missile pods. But then they went and made the hands and the chestplate do nothing at all and it ruined it for me. If HasTak can do it I damn well expect it out of a 3P.

I know some simpletons may have difficulty coping with such intimidating concepts as "spatial awareness" and "not being a hamhands" but not all of us are total klutzes that can't handle any significant amount of engineering. Honestly X, with all your whining about how parts integration "ruins" figures, complaining about complicated engineering and general opposition to Transformers doing any actual transformation, I'm surprised you don't just collect non-transforming action figures and static versions of their alt modes.

megatronus wrote:I guess that makes me a "simpleton."

DM, I know many of these figures are aspirational purchases for you, so it may be hard to truly understand how much of a b**** Fansproject Menasor is to transform, and how parts integration comes at the expense of playability and fun.

Diesel transformation: 45 minutes. CW Menasor transformation: 30 seconds.

I really don't care if the parts are super well integrated. I would prefer if they had some pegs so they can be carried on one of the figure's backs, but really that's all I require functionally, and even that's not a big deal.

Saying things are acceptable and unacceptable in absolute terms doesn't further the conversation any, so I would avoid those. These are toys homaging 80s toys. Should they be better? Yea. Do they need to integrate parts? Not necessarily - it depends how well it's done. Sometimes you want a weapon or hand or foot or chest plate that does that really well over a half measure in the name of integration.

In defense of Delta Magnus, I support his responses reactions replies in this thread.

When all your doing is running around posting 100 hate insulting toys replies in threads each week. These types of post frustrate members and you get fighting counter replies.

Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

My observations:

1. LOL!!!

2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far better than UT's. Sigh.

3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

My observations:

1. LOL!!!

2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.

3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!

Im no fan of I-gear Sharkticons robot mode either. Thats why they stay on shark mode and the UT Sharkies stay in robot mode.

I think you missed the old school fembots on the top shelf in "Ancient Cybertron". I intend to give the newer fembots a nice display higher up once MMC Elita One Arrives. The bottom shelf is my W.I.P. shelf.

Here's a better view:

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

My observations:

1. LOL!!!

2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.

3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!

I spotted two Arcee repaints on the top.

fenrir72 wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

My observations:

1. LOL!!!

2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.

3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!

I spotted two Arcee repaints on the top.

Just for fun, notice Powerglide is next to Moonracer.

Whoops, i forgot this is an Abominus thread !

So now that the beer is kicking in, I decided to explore the joys of parts ingratiation...

Lets see how Unique Toys could keep even the pickiest collectors satisfied....

It almost looks like a mode Fansproject would come up with !

That's... actually pretty funny

Rated X wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

My observations:

1. LOL!!!

2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.

3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!

Im no fan of I-gear Sharkticons robot mode either. Thats why they stay on shark mode and the UT Sharkies stay in robot mode.

I think you missed the old school fembots on the top shelf in "Ancient Cybertron". I intend to give the newer fembots a nice display higher up once MMC Elita One Arrives. The bottom shelf is my W.I.P. shelf.

Here's a better view:

Loving the display dude

Thadicon wrote:

Rated X wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Yes, insulting plastic toys is despicable because they are living beings with feelings. Alpha Bravo couldn’t take it anymore and dove to his doom from my top shelf…

My observations:

1. LOL!!!

2. Too bad iGear's Sharkticons have such awful (in my opinion) robot modes, because the shark mode looks good from above. Having the black one as a one-off leader, I know the articulation and quality is far beyond than UT's. Sigh.

3. Fembots spotted on the bottom shelf. C'mon man! Have your ladies represent near the top!

Im no fan of I-gear Sharkticons robot mode either. Thats why they stay on shark mode and the UT Sharkies stay in robot mode.

I think you missed the old school fembots on the top shelf in "Ancient Cybertron". I intend to give the newer fembots a nice display higher up once MMC Elita One Arrives. The bottom shelf is my W.I.P. shelf.

Here's a better view:

Loving the display dude

Thanks

I try my best with the themes. Thats why im such a stickler on scale.

This looks really nice... but needs more color. Too much grey!