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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby daimchoc » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:17 pm

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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby xyl360 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:29 pm

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xyl360 wrote:I don't see any reason at all for there to be any combiner "scale"


xyl360 wrote:I don't really care how they scale with one another


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xyl360 wrote:I just want a bunch of big bad combiners, that's all.


xyl360 wrote:because scout size was too small for my tastes for any of them.


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:lol: how the heck did your post which quotes my post end up a page before my post :P?

Anyway, I'm not sure how my post was confusing (as your images would seem to indicate). I don't care how the combiners scale with one another and I like them to be large and do not understand the fascination/obsession some collectors and companies seem to have with retaining a scale consistent with Transformers Energon just because one company did one add-on set for a combiner in that scale which was composed of 5 scout sized bots.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby Arctorro » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:06 pm

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xyl360 wrote::lol: how the heck did your post which quotes my post end up a page before my post :P?

Anyway, I'm not sure how my post was confusing (as your images would seem to indicate). I don't care how the combiners scale with one another and I like them to be large and do not understand the fascination/obsession some collectors and companies seem to have with retaining a scale consistent with Transformers Energon just because one company did one add-on set for a combiner in that scale which was composed of 5 scout sized bots.
The site seems to have had a nervous breakdown the other day :D

I agree with what you are saying about the scout sized combiners, too much is compromised and they aren't all that much taller than the Voyager and Ultra figures. That said, I personally would like the gestalts to be of a similar size. A head taller or shorter here or there isn't the end of the world, but if every company that releases a gestalt makes it a head taller than the last one that was a head taller, where does it end?

If these guys fix the arms on Warbotron then I'll most likely have to get him, but not way I can justify that level of piss poor engineering on such a big and (presumably) expensive toy.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby zodconvoy » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:59 pm

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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby NOS » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:45 am

xyl360 wrote::lol: how the heck did your post which quotes my post end up a page before my post :P?

Anyway, I'm not sure how my post was confusing (as your images would seem to indicate). I don't care how the combiners scale with one another and I like them to be large and do not understand the fascination/obsession some collectors and companies seem to have with retaining a scale consistent with Transformers Energon just because one company did one add-on set for a combiner in that scale which was composed of 5 scout sized bots.


Yeah, I posted on the same day the site was have a seizure. 8-}

Anyway, I guess I just misinterpreted your post. It sounded like you didn't care how they're sized up, but then backpedaled to say you preferred bigger combiners to smaller ones. I was also dead tired when I posted that, but I follow you a bit better now. Maintaining the Transformers Energon scout size does seem like an issue sometimes.

Scale is just so hard to to find a happy medium when it comes to Transformers. Both in the cartoon and in vintage figures. However, I can't help but appreciate the size scale we get from FP and Maketoys over TFC. Not because I feel what TFC (or any other 3rd that prefers to engineer bigger gestalts) brings to the table isn't great in its own right, but because it's a little easier to have them stand side by side the CHUG figures we get from HasTak.

It just rustles my jimmies to no end when I see, for example, the TFC Not-Constructicons tower over Classics Grimlock. Granted, that's a pretty loose example, but I think you can see where I'm coming from with that.

With all that said, these guys are fantastically engineered and whoever the group is behind this massive beast has truly brought something awe inspiring to the table for us collectors. Yet, I just wouldn't be able to look at my collection without wincing if I saw my Classics Starscream at crotch-level with Onslaught.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby mooncake623 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:04 am

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zodconvoy wrote:All I have to say is that someones Bruticus is going to be missing a leg because all I want is that Swindle!



That would be hilarious if they make exactly 5000 pieces (or whatever number) of each member. haha I wonder if that's really what they do...... I would buy an extra Swindle =X
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Re: Warbotron WB01

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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby zodconvoy » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:09 am

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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby megatronus » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:14 am

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zodconvoy wrote:Still no more word on this? not even who's making it? That's annoying. How am I supposed to give them all of my money if they won't put their hand out?

Who knows, maybe MMC will come out and compete with these guys (I would LOVE to see that, actually).
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby Dead Metal » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:07 pm

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They did say that there won't be any updates till October.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby daimchoc » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:25 pm

Dead Metal wrote:They did say that there won't be any updates till October.



They did? All I saw was someone saying this:


Jason Watson: I believe from what they've been saying it will be individual bot releases....but hopefully by October we will know something for sure




We do have this:

WB-01 is one of combiner form Warbotron team, finnal product preorder will be on Nov. and we will release more information at that moment.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby Dead Metal » Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:31 am

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Dead Metal wrote:They did say that there won't be any updates till October.



They did? All I saw was someone saying this:


Jason Watson: I believe from what they've been saying it will be individual bot releases....but hopefully by October we will know something for sure




We do have this:

WB-01 is one of combiner form Warbotron team, finnal product preorder will be on Nov. and we will release more information at that moment.

Oh OK, I read that over at tfw, so it might have been Watson (and I misinterpreted what he said due to being sleepy), or someone misquoting him.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby daimchoc » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:34 am

Tweet from warbotron over to Peaugh:


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WB01 more news very soon ,The upcoming sales,There are two giant robots is designed,not Menasor and ? @Peaugh
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby zodconvoy » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:10 am

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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby daimchoc » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:22 pm

According to Warbotron's facebook page, pricing and release date(s) will be announced on 11/15.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby daimchoc » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:25 am

FYI: http://www.warbotron.com/products.aspx

WB01-01: Swindle
WB01-02: Blastoff
WB01-03: Brawl
WB01-04: Vortex
WB01-05: Onslaught



Also

"The ongoing,Published in 2014 WB02 There are five cars WB03 A secret, which is you want?"


According to the deleted tweet, it's Menasor and an undisclosed combiner.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby daimchoc » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:34 am

Update from warbotron.com


The ongoing,Published in 2014 WB02 There are 4 cars and a Truck, WB03 A secret, which is you want?
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby Arctorro » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:10 am

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There is talk that WB01 is going to be 17.8 inches tall! :shock: Not sure if that is overall height (measured to his overly high shoulders) or to his head. Either way, if that measurement is true, he will be an automatic pass. No way in hell I'm buying a gestalt that dwarfs Herc, Uranos, and more importantly, Genesis! Especially when they couldn't even get the arms right :BANG_HEAD:

Looking more and more like Microblaze Creations MBC002 is my only hope for a decent (for me) Bruticus.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby daimchoc » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:51 am

Arctorro wrote:There is talk that WB01 is going to be 17.8 inches tall! :shock: Not sure if that is overall height (measured to his overly high shoulders) or to his head. Either way, if that measurement is true, he will be an automatic pass. No way in hell I'm buying a gestalt that dwarfs Herc, Uranos, and more importantly, Genesis! Especially when they couldn't even get the arms right :BANG_HEAD:

Looking more and more like Microblaze Creations MBC002 is my only hope for a decent (for me) Bruticus.


Not talk... Official from Warbotron.com

http://warbotron.com/pro_show.aspx?id=8

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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby megatronus » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:38 pm

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Arctorro wrote:There is talk that WB01 is going to be 17.8 inches tall! :shock: Not sure if that is overall height (measured to his overly high shoulders) or to his head. Either way, if that measurement is true, he will be an automatic pass. No way in hell I'm buying a gestalt that dwarfs Herc, Uranos, and more importantly, Genesis! Especially when they couldn't even get the arms right :BANG_HEAD:

Looking more and more like Microblaze Creations MBC002 is my only hope for a decent (for me) Bruticus.

Agreed.

At nearly 18 inches, might as well pass on 3rd Party and wait for MP combiners, which is way down the road (if they show up at all).
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby Dead Metal » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:17 pm

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Arctorro wrote:There is talk that WB01 is going to be 17.8 inches tall! :shock: Not sure if that is overall height (measured to his overly high shoulders) or to his head. Either way, if that measurement is true, he will be an automatic pass. No way in hell I'm buying a gestalt that dwarfs Herc, Uranos, and more importantly, Genesis! Especially when they couldn't even get the arms right :BANG_HEAD:

Looking more and more like Microblaze Creations MBC002 is my only hope for a decent (for me) Bruticus.

Too small, needs to be about 20 inches to fit into my MP collection. I'll wait for the official MP version.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby Arctorro » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:20 pm

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daimchoc wrote:Not talk... Official from Warbotron.com

http://warbotron.com/pro_show.aspx?id=8

height 17.8 inch
Thanks, missed that. While I believe the measurement is to his shoulders I wish they confirmed where they were measuring to.

megatronus wrote:Agreed.

At nearly 18 inches, might as well pass on 3rd Party and wait for MP combiners, which is way down the road (if they show up at all).
Yeah, this doesn't fit with Classics or MP, which makes it an easy decision.

Dead Metal wrote:Too small, needs to be about 20 inches to fit into my MP collection. I'll wait for the official MP version.
Even if it was the right height, it still wouldn't fit because it isn't show accurate.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby Tsutsukakushi » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:31 pm

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Arctorro wrote:There is talk that WB01 is going to be 17.8 inches tall! :shock: Not sure if that is overall height (measured to his overly high shoulders) or to his head. Either way, if that measurement is true, he will be an automatic pass. No way in hell I'm buying a gestalt that dwarfs Herc, Uranos, and more importantly, Genesis! Especially when they couldn't even get the arms right :BANG_HEAD:

Looking more and more like Microblaze Creations MBC002 is my only hope for a decent (for me) Bruticus.

Agreed.

At nearly 18 inches, might as well pass on 3rd Party and wait for MP combiners, which is way down the road (if they show up at all).


The bigger they make these 3rd party combiners,The more money they cost. I just don't feel comfortable spending over $700 to buy this toy.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

Postby xyl360 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:18 pm

Considering he's composed of a bunch of military vehicles (and a frickin' space shuttle :P) I can live with him being the largest of all the combiners, though it would be nice if he were around the same size as Uranos/Superion.

I'm pretty sure I'm still gonna buy this set either way, though it would be nice if they could do something about those lame FP combiner arms.
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Re: Warbotron WB01

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