The Energon Pub

Shadowman wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:WFC was CLEARLY written as a G1 prequel, regardless of whether or not Hasbro says it's a prequel to Prime. All contradictions, such as Aerialbots and Jetfire, were made for gameplay reasons.

Except none of the contradictions effect gameplay.

They wanted recognizable flying characters.

Who else could have they had? Powerglide is the only other that springs to mind.

Starscream GaGa wrote:WFC was CLEARLY written as a G1 prequel, regardless of whether or not Hasbro says it's a prequel to Prime. All contradictions, such as Aerialbots and Jetfire, were made for gameplay reasons.

Besides it's not like G1 continuity didn't have a ridiculous amount of plotholes, what with there being three different origins of the Constructicons!

Even if the writer/s of the game wrote it with a G1 theme in mind, some of the characters they choose, among other things, disqualifys it from actually fitting asny of the established G1 continuity.

And while the G1 toon did have some continuity/plot issue.

The Constructicons originals is not really one of them.Theres no solid contradiction with their origin.And the evidence suggest that the contradiction that so many subscribe to is due to the perceptions of the fans.

Starscream GaGa wrote:They wanted recognizable flying characters.

Who else could have they had? Powerglide is the only other that springs to mind.

Really?Thatall that springs to your mind?

How about Powerglide,Skyfire/Jetfire, Springer,Broadside,Sandstorm??

Besides, following that line of reasoning , wheres the logic in adding any of the Stunticons?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:How about Powerglide,Skyfire/Jetfire, Springer,Broadside,Sandstorm??

They did add Jetfire. It's actually mentioned in my first post. The problem is, he should have crashed on Earth long before he knew what a Decepticon was. The problem with Springer and Sandstorm is that they were both helicopters, not jets. Though that really doesn't matter, seeing as Soundwave transforms into an SUV in WfC.

And now that you mention it, yeah, Breakdown suffers the same contradiction as Silverbolt and Air Raid. The Stunticons were built using modern day Earth vehicles. And while we're at it, so was Brawl.

Like I said before, if they intended for this to be a prequel to G1, then they did a really, really crappy job of it.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:How about Powerglide,Skyfire/Jetfire, Springer,Broadside,Sandstorm??

They did add Jetfire. It's actually mentioned in my first post. The problem is, he should have crashed on Earth long before he knew what a Decepticon was. The problem with Springer and Sandstorm is that they were both helicopters, not jets. Though that really doesn't matter, seeing as Soundwave transforms into an SUV in WfC.

And now that you mention it, yeah, Breakdown suffers the same contradiction as Silverbolt and Air Raid. The Stunticons were built using modern day Earth vehicles. And while we're at it, so was Brawl.

Like I said before, if they intended for this to be a prequel to G1, then they did a really, really crappy job of it.

Agreed.

At best, this can only be a "NEW" G1 continuity.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:How about Powerglide,Skyfire/Jetfire, Springer,Broadside,Sandstorm??

They did add Jetfire. It's actually mentioned in my first post. The problem is, he should have crashed on Earth long before he knew what a Decepticon was. The problem with Springer and Sandstorm is that they were both helicopters, not jets. Though that really doesn't matter, seeing as Soundwave transforms into an SUV in WfC.

Yeah, and if Sandstrom were to have been included in the game, that would have been another contradiction, as he was a native to Paradron, not Cybertron.

Shadowman wrote:And now that you mention it, yeah, Breakdown suffers the same contradiction as Silverbolt and Air Raid. The Stunticons were built using modern day Earth vehicles. And while we're at it, so was Brawl.

I already covered Breakdown on Page 1.

Sabrblade wrote:Breakdown: In G1, he was created in 1985 from a stolen Lamborghini, given life by Vector Sigma. In WFC, like Air Raid and Silverbolt, he already exists.

Though, Brawl (and the Combaticons period) is a different case from the Aerialbots and the Stunticons. While the latter two subgroups were birthed by Vector Sigma granting life to stolen Earth vehicles and Cybertronian rockets redesigned into Earth jets/planes, the Combaticons were preexisting individuals given new Earth bodies.

Before they were Combaticons, they were Renegade Decepticons who, under Megatron's orders, had had their bodies destroyed and personality components stored away in a Decepticon Detention Center file drawer.

Still, though, the portrayal of Brawl in the game is different enough from how he was portrayed in the cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, and if Sandstrom were to have been included in the game, that would have been another contradiction, as he was a native to Paradron, not Cybertron.

Thats not exactly accurate.Theres still a bit of room to play in his case.

All the inhabitants of Paradon were Autobots that fled Cybertron sometime durring the war.

Its possible Sandstorm was created/was born before they left.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, and if Sandstrom were to have been included in the game, that would have been another contradiction, as he was a native to Paradron, not Cybertron.

Thats not exactly accurate.Theres still a bit of room to play in his case.

All the inhabitants of Paradon were Autobots that fled Cybertron sometime durring the war.

Its possible Sandstorm was created/was born before they left.

Sandstorm said that it was his ancestors that fled to Paradron, not he himself.

Sabrblade wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, and if Sandstrom were to have been included in the game, that would have been another contradiction, as he was a native to Paradron, not Cybertron.

Thats not exactly accurate.Theres still a bit of room to play in his case.

All the inhabitants of Paradon were Autobots that fled Cybertron sometime durring the war.

Its possible Sandstorm was created/was born before they left.

Sandstorm said that it was his ancestors that fled to Paradron, not he himself.

Actully I believe he said "forefathers"

But He seemed to be speaking in "general" loose terms, he even called the other from his planet "his robots" when they werent really his.

Theres still a bit of play in his situation.

Just thought of another one.

Iacon: In the G1 cartoon, it is the name given to the Autobots' domed headquarters on Cybertron and is seemingly applied to nothing more than that single building. In WFC (and other continuities), it is the name given to the entire city that serves as the Autobots' capital city.


Also, Shadowman, recall that we had this conversation a few pages back:

Sabrblade wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Also, Shadowman, if it's not too much to ask, would you consider doing another thread like this for the Exodus novel and the G1 cartoon? To this day, I'm still seeing people who not only think Exodus ties in with G1, but also serves as a means to tie in other series with the G1 cartoon (like the live action movies with the AllSpark launching, and the Cybertron cartoon with the colony worlds of Velocitron and Gigantion), instead of seeing these references as mere fan nods.

I really can't. I haven't read Exodus. All I know about it is the bits and pieces of information I can pick up off of the TF Wiki.

Ah, well. Despite its flaws, it's still worth a read. If not to get some enjoyment out of it, then to obtain a better opinion of it.

Maybe I can come up with something, if I can find the time to do so. Though, I'd have to reread the book (and rewatch some certain G1 episodes) first, though.

Well, I'm here to give an update on this. I am near the completion of this "Exodus Project" of mine, drawing near to the end of my research, and will begin putting it together shortly after. Once the final touches have been made, I shall put it up on the forum as soon as I can.

Sabrblade wrote:Just thought of another one.

Iacon: In the G1 cartoon, it is the name given to the Autobots' domed headquarters on Cybertron and is seemingly applied to nothing more than that single building. In WFC (and other continuities), it is the name given to the entire city that serves as the Autobots' capital city.

True, but theres a good chance that dome serves as the entrance to the city, or is the last structure with power in the city.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Just thought of another one.

Iacon: In the G1 cartoon, it is the name given to the Autobots' domed headquarters on Cybertron and is seemingly applied to nothing more than that single building. In WFC (and other continuities), it is the name given to the entire city that serves as the Autobots' capital city.

True, but theres a good chance that dome serves as the entrance to the city, or is the last structure with power in the city.

The dome was only just a little larger than the Ark, which it housed. There wouldn't be much room for much of anything else. We see this same dome building again later in the Headmasters and it is clearly identified as being their base of operations.

Though, the concept of Iacon being a city wasn't even touched upon in the G1 cartoon. So, what's to stop the cartoon from having Iacon as the name of just the Autobots' HQ with other media having it as the name of their capital city?

In this particular case, what is true for one medium does not have to be same thing for another.

Sabrblade wrote:The dome was only just a little larger than the Ark, which it housed. There wouldn't be much room for much of anything else. We see this same dome building again later in the Headmasters and it is clearly identified as being their base of operations.

None of which negates what I said.The dome may serve as the entrance to the city, or is the last structure with power in the city.And it seems the dome housed a hq that went underground.

Though, the concept of Iacon being a city wasn't even touched upon in the G1 cartoon. So, what's to stop the cartoon from having Iacon as the name of just the Autobots' HQ with other media having it as the name of their capital city?

not saying that its not just an hq, what I'm saying is that there isint enough evidence to rule out either option.

In this particular case, what is true for one medium does not have to be same thing for another.

This is true of a lot of issues, but in this particular case there isint enough solid evidence to reach a conclusion.

Whereas I agree on most of the things being said, there are several things needing to be said:

1). Shouldn't this be in the Video Game Forum?

2). My ear is itchy.

3). You can't expect a bot who looks like a truck in robot mode, to then go to earth and somehow find a vehicle mode, and then transform into a jet to look exactly the same.

4). Don't worry, I just scratched the itch, but now my neck is itchy...

5). Jetfire being on Cybertron, and being an Autobot, makes some sense, Jetfire is not Skyfire. Is he?

6). My other ear is itchy.

7). Where I see many relations in TFP I also see irregularities.

A). Darkness rising, Starscream was just finding out about Dark Energon, in WFC, Starscream was the keeper of Dark Energon, so he would know about the effects of Dark Energon.

B). Soundwave has a voice in WFC, and in TFP, he doesn't.

C). Megatron is still in his cybertronian mode as a jet, therefore, since Megatron is a tank in WFC, the two are unrelated. IMO.

. Aerialbots is just a name, they could have used this name to honor the Air fighters back on Cybertron when the Aerialbots were created.

9). Where else is there Omega Supreme?

10). Where else does Omega Supreme talk like a robotic Yoda? "Mmmh! Decepticons destroying stuff, there is!"


With my peace said, I bid you, "Leg godit!" (Play Well)

#Sideways# wrote:1). Shouldn't this be in the Video Game Forum?

It doesn't have to be. It's talking about both a game and a cartoon.

#Sideways# wrote:3). You can't expect a bot who looks like a truck in robot mode, to then go to earth and somehow find a vehicle mode, and then transform into a jet to look exactly the same.

#Sideways# wrote:5). Jetfire being on Cybertron, and being an Autobot, makes some sense, Jetfire is not Skyfire. Is he?

Skyfire is the Jetfire of the G1 cartoon. Just as WFC Jetfire is the Jetifre of the WFC game.

#Sideways# wrote:7). Where I see many relations in TFP I also see irregularities.

As have so many other people. Even Hasbro. Yet, when asked about these inconsistencies, Hasbro basically just said, "We are aware of the conflicts between each. All the confusion is done on purpose and will be explained in due time, but not right now. "

#Sideways# wrote:A). Darkness rising, Starscream was just finding out about Dark Energon, in WFC, Starscream was the keeper of Dark Energon, so he would know about the effects of Dark Energon.

That dialogue in Dark Energon was done so as to introduce Dark Energon to those who had not played the game before watching the show. Yes, it creates a wonky situation, but, then again, the Deceptcions had not seen Dark Energon for a long time. Millions and millions of years take place between WFC and Prime.

#Sideways# wrote:B). Soundwave has a voice in WFC, and in TFP, he doesn't.

Hasbro has already touched upon this. They say that Soundwave does have a voice and can speak; he just chooses not to.

#Sideways# wrote:C). Megatron is still in his cybertronian mode as a jet, therefore, since Megatron is a tank in WFC, the two are unrelated. IMO.

The Generations Cybertronian Megatron toy bridged the gap between Megs' two forms by stating that Megatron would constantly upgrade his form to different ones.

#Sideways# wrote:8). Aerialbots is just a name, they could have used this name to honor the Air fighters back on Cybertron when the Aerialbots were created.

There's no indication of this. Besides, Silverbolt and Air Raid were among the pre-Earth Aerialbots in WFC. Yet, they were first created in 1985 in the G1 cartoon. There is nothing in the G1 cartoon to say that they ever lived beforehand (aside from Silverbolt's weird memeories of being a courier ship, which is also in conflict with his status as Aerialbot Commander in WFC).

#Sideways# wrote:9). Where else is there Omega Supreme?

Energon. Animated. Both had an Omega Supreme.

#Sideways# wrote:10). Where else does Omega Supreme talk like a robotic Yoda? "Mmmh! Decepticons destroying stuff, there is!"

Animated. Same exact speech impediment as G1 and WFC Omega Supremes.

#Sideways# wrote:10). Where else does Omega Supreme talk like a robotic Yoda? "Mmmh! Decepticons destroying stuff, there is!"

For starters, it's the same speech pattern he had in G1. Second, it's actually closer to a simpler version of HK-47's speech pattern, if you're still looking for a Star Wars reference.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The dome was only just a little larger than the Ark, which it housed. There wouldn't be much room for much of anything else. We see this same dome building again later in the Headmasters and it is clearly identified as being their base of operations.

None of which negates what I said.The dome may serve as the entrance to the city, or is the last structure with power in the city.And it seems the dome housed a hq that went underground.

Though, the concept of Iacon being a city wasn't even touched upon in the G1 cartoon. So, what's to stop the cartoon from having Iacon as the name of just the Autobots' HQ with other media having it as the name of their capital city?

not saying that its not just an hq, what I'm saying is that there isint enough evidence to rule out either option.

In this particular case, what is true for one medium does not have to be same thing for another.

This is true of a lot of issues, but in this particular case there isint enough solid evidence to reach a conclusion.

Ah, wait. I just remembered something. In Beast Machines, Primal and Nightscream visit "Iocon" and it's pretty much definitely a city. If we are to say that G1 Cartoon Cybertron = Beast Machines Cybertron, then I guess there would be more to Iacon than the dome in G1.

Still, though, they do identify just the dome as Iacon in the G1 cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:1). Shouldn't this be in the Video Game Forum?

It doesn't have to be. It's talking about both a game and a cartoon.

#Sideways# wrote:3). You can't expect a bot who looks like a truck in robot mode, to then go to earth and somehow find a vehicle mode, and then transform into a jet to look exactly the same.

#Sideways# wrote:5). Jetfire being on Cybertron, and being an Autobot, makes some sense, Jetfire is not Skyfire. Is he?

Skyfire is the Jetfire of the G1 cartoon. Just as WFC Jetfire is the Jetifre of the WFC game.

#Sideways# wrote:7). Where I see many relations in TFP I also see irregularities.

As have so many other people. Even Hasbro. Yet, when asked about these inconsistencies, Hasbro basically just said, "We are aware of the conflicts between each. All the confusion is done on purpose and will be explained in due time, but not right now. "

#Sideways# wrote:A). Darkness rising, Starscream was just finding out about Dark Energon, in WFC, Starscream was the keeper of Dark Energon, so he would know about the effects of Dark Energon.

That dialogue in Dark Energon was done so as to introduce Dark Energon to those who had not played the game before watching the show. Yes, it creates a wonky situation, but, then again, the Deceptcions had not seen Dark Energon for a long time. Millions and millions of years take place between WFC and Prime.

#Sideways# wrote:B). Soundwave has a voice in WFC, and in TFP, he doesn't.

Hasbro has already touched upon this. They say that Soundwave does have a voice and can speak; he just chooses not to.

#Sideways# wrote:C). Megatron is still in his cybertronian mode as a jet, therefore, since Megatron is a tank in WFC, the two are unrelated. IMO.

The Generations Cybertronian Megatron toy bridged the gap between Megs' two forms by stating that Megatron would constantly upgrade his form to different ones.

#Sideways# wrote:8). Aerialbots is just a name, they could have used this name to honor the Air fighters back on Cybertron when the Aerialbots were created.

There's no indication of this. Besides, Silverbolt and Air Raid were among the pre-Earth Aerialbots in WFC. Yet, they were first created in 1985 in the G1 cartoon. There is nothing in the G1 cartoon to say that they ever lived beforehand (aside from Silverbolt's weird memeories of being a courier ship, which is also in conflict with his status as Aerialbot Commander in WFC).

#Sideways# wrote:9). Where else is there Omega Supreme?

Energon. Animated. Both had an Omega Supreme.

#Sideways# wrote:10). Where else does Omega Supreme talk like a robotic Yoda? "Mmmh! Decepticons destroying stuff, there is!"

Animated. Same exact speech impediment as G1 and WFC Omega Supremes.

This is what I mean. ^

How Dare I challenge the Walking Google! *Runs away screaming*

I forgot completely about the Animated Omega Supreme and I had no idea about Energon! Is that a Remold/repaint of Energon Prime?


For fun!

"Would you like to Supersize that Taco?"



Well there's Hasbro for you, "All will be revealed in time..." *Two years Later, "All will be revealed in time..."

Too bad about Soundwave, he must think that talking is illogical.


How about this, we just agree that WFC is an awesome game with a terrible storyline?

Sabrblade wrote:Ah, wait. I just remembered something. In Beast Machines, Primal and Nightscream visit "Iocon" and it's pretty much definitely a city. If we are to say that G1 Cartoon Cybertron = Beast Machines Cybertron, then I guess there would be more to Iacon than the dome in G1.

Still, though, they do identify just the dome as Iacon in the G1 cartoon.

I forgot about that as well.

I guess my theory about the dome serving as the entrance or the last place with power seems likely.

#Sideways# wrote:3). You can't expect a bot who looks like a truck in robot mode, to then go to earth and somehow find a vehicle mode, and then transform into a jet to look exactly the same.

Now that I get what you're saying, then I can say that doesn't really matter since at least Optimus, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Arcee, Cliffjumper, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, and Breakdown all get new bodies prior to heading to Earth.

#Sideways# wrote:I forgot completely about the Animated Omega Supreme and I had no idea about Energon! Is that a Remold/repaint of Energon Prime?

*sigh* Lines like this make me a sad panda. Just because Energon's cartoon was painfully mediocre does not mean that was was 100% completely unwatchable. While one can choose not to watch it entirely, he/she would still be missing out on a lot of things, including some of Energon's few (very few, but still evident) good factors (like the epic one-on-one fight between Optimus Supreme and Unicron).

And the Energon toyline had some of the best figures of the Unicron Trilogy. Omega Supreme's toy was an awesome Supreme Class titan of figure that had so many different modes, features, gimmicks and configurations. Battleship and bullet train altmodes, lights & sounds, firing projectile missiles, extending robot claw arm, two gun platform modes (one for each vehicle), a perfected Headmaster gimmick, and the ability to combine with Optimus Prime into Optimus Supreme.

#Sideways# wrote:Well there's Hasbro for you, "All will be revealed in time..." *Two years Later, "All will be revealed in time..."

Such answers to these kinds of questions can be found here, here, and here.

#Sideways# wrote:Too bad about Soundwave, he must think that talking is illogical.

The answer about him can be found here.

#Sideways# wrote:How about this, we just agree that WFC is an awesome game with a terrible storyline?

How is it terrible? On its own, the game has a very cool story. It's just one of the many tellings of the war on Cybertron that occurred millions of years before TF: Prime (with others being the WFC DS games, the Cybertron Adventures Wii game, the Exodus novel, the WFC comic, and the WFC timeline).

Sabrblade wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:3). You can't expect a bot who looks like a truck in robot mode, to then go to earth and somehow find a vehicle mode, and then transform into a jet to look exactly the same.

Now that I get what you're saying, then I can say that doesn't really matter since at least Optimus, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Arcee, Cliffjumper, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, and Breakdown all get new bodies prior to heading to Earth.

#Sideways# wrote:I forgot completely about the Animated Omega Supreme and I had no idea about Energon! Is that a Remold/repaint of Energon Prime?

*sigh* Lines like this make me a sad panda. Just because Energon's cartoon was painfully mediocre does not mean that was was 100% completely unwatchable. While one can choose not to watch it entirely, he/she would still be missing out on a lot of things, including some of Energon's few (very few, but still evident) good factors (like the epic one-on-one fight between Optimus Supreme and Unicron).

And the Energon toyline had some of the best figures of the Unicron Trilogy. Omega Supreme's toy was an awesome Supreme Class titan of figure that had so many different modes, features, gimmicks and configurations. Battleship and bullet train altmodes, lights & sounds, firing projectile missiles, extending robot claw arm, two gun platform modes (one for each vehicle), a perfected Headmaster gimmick, and the ability to combine with Optimus Prime into Optimus Supreme.

#Sideways# wrote:Well there's Hasbro for you, "All will be revealed in time..." *Two years Later, "All will be revealed in time..."

Such answers to these kinds of questions can be found here, here, and here.

#Sideways# wrote:Too bad about Soundwave, he must think that talking is illogical.

The answer about him can be found here.

#Sideways# wrote:How about this, we just agree that WFC is an awesome game with a terrible storyline?

How is it terrible? On its own, the game has a very cool story. It's just one of the many tellings of the war on Cybertron that occurred millions of years before TF: Prime (with others being the WFC DS games, the Cybertron Adventures Wii game, the Exodus novel, the WFC comic, and the WFC timeline).

I WANT ENERGON OMEGA SUPREME!

WFC is more like a continuity on its own, for its storyline sort of matches up G1, but not really.

I think I've found out what Hasbro and Friends needs to stop doing, Preludes.

Think about it!

G1: (This is one of the many goofs that the G1 TV show had) Megatron is talking with his associates about the Cunstructicons, and he mentions, "My newly constructed Constructicons...", GREAT! Fine! But then they had to put history behind Omega Supreme and the Constructicons. I'm certain that you remember that episode.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

I couldn't watch the Energon cartoon, unfortunately[?]. My family didn't have a DVR to record things, and after that, I couldn't even find it to watch it, and when I did, it was like 7:00 AM (Which, considering how young I was, that is pretty early.) and we didn't have an alarm clock to wake up to, so we woke up at 8:00, or 9:00. UGH! I missed out! Or did I?

I definitely want TFP Soundwave toy when it comes out...

Typing that just got me thinking, what will be flooding the shelves when the movie line goes out? Generations? RTS?

#Sideways# wrote:WFC is more like a continuity on its own, for its storyline sort of matches up G1, but not really.

It references G1, but it is officially (one of) TF: Prime's past(s).

#Sideways# wrote:I couldn't watch the Energon cartoon, unfortunately[?]. My family didn't have a DVR to record things, and after that, I couldn't even find it to watch it, and when I did, it was like 7:00 AM (Which, considering how young I was, that is pretty early.) and we didn't have an alarm clock to wake up to, so we woke up at 8:00, or 9:00. UGH! I missed out! Or did I?

That's what DVD sets are for, my friend.

Sabrblade wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:WFC is more like a continuity on its own, for its storyline sort of matches up G1, but not really.

It references G1, but it is officially (one of) TF: Prime's past(s).

Yeah, I liked it better for a G1 Prelude.

Sabrblade wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:I couldn't watch the Energon cartoon, unfortunately[?]. My family didn't have a DVR to record things, and after that, I couldn't even find it to watch it, and when I did, it was like 7:00 AM (Which, considering how young I was, that is pretty early.) and we didn't have an alarm clock to wake up to, so we woke up at 8:00, or 9:00. UGH! I missed out! Or did I?

That's what DVD sets are for, my friend.

Or On Demand. I still want Omega Supreme, Taco Bell's new item...

#Sideways# wrote:Yeah, I liked it better for a G1 Prelude.

Well, it ain't.

#Sideways# wrote:Or On Demand.

I don't think it's on On Demand. It's on DVD and on Hubworld, though.

Sabrblade wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:Yeah, I liked it better for a G1 Prelude.

Well, it ain't.

Yeah, but one thing is bugging me, there may be a plain and simple explanation for this, but if in WFC, Bumblebee can talk, and in TFP he can't, how did that happen? *Cue Sabrblade calling me a newb and posting a link to Hasbro.com.*

Sabrblade wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:Or On Demand.

I don't think it's on On Demand. It's on DVD and on Hubworld, though.

Really? Now I gotta go check...

#Sideways# wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

#Sideways# wrote:Yeah, I liked it better for a G1 Prelude.

Well, it ain't.

Yeah, but one thing is bugging me, there may be a plain and simple explanation for this, but if in WFC, Bumblebee can talk, and in TFP he can't, how did that happen?

There can be any number of explanations.

Simple, his vocal cords may have been damaged in the many years between WFC and Prime.