sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:There is a difference between Dead Metal's theory and my own, and its as I pointed out before with the claims of the Primicrons assistant .
Grimlock and the other animal tfs to answer the call of the assistant were called "primitives".The assistant claimed that Primicron and he that they built some of the early primitives in the ancient past.
That right there at least suggest an alternate creation origin for some trasnsformers.........and if for some its possible for others.
I'll admit its not a lot, but its something, and added to the fact that the Quints cant be trusted brings me to my theory.
Yes, and I asked you if you knew what the Primitives were. You gave an answer:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I know it was vague, and some see it differently.
But I took "primitives" as animal based transformers.
Which is correct.
But, in all flashbacks, claims, historical facets, etc., the Quintessons were never indicated to the be creators of any animal-based Transformers. The ones they built were the main population of the humanoid pre-Transformers. The only Cybertronian fauna they were indicated to have created were the Trans-Organics.
And that's another element in this: The Trans-Organics. Both the Quints and the Transformers claimed those to be not only Quintesson-made but also predating the Transformers race. If both parties agree to both of these claims, what is there to doubt of the nature of the Trans-Organics predating the Transformers?
Now, getting back to Primacron's assistant, he said that they created the Primitives, meaning that at least only the animals were different in origin to the humanoids. However, during the assistant's tale, he referred to Unicron as the last and greatest of Primacron's creation (pre-Tornedron, that is), what his work on the Primitives was building up to. This also suggests that the term "Primitives" was just in reference to their earliest creations, which happens to coincide with the animal-based dudes.
Though, if I can pull out my TCC issues from 2013, they each have a section called "The Transformers Menagerie" that focused specifically on the Primitives and gave insight info into them, all told from a G1 cartoon perspective. Those issues, despite being made a few decades after the cartoon's existence, may shed some light on them.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:As for the idea not having "roots"........maybe being a Trekie and comic fans I just see a bigger picture, or maybe a smaller one....you be the judge.
Even when the TF franchis started ,I saw the comic books,toons,tech specs and other media as part of a multiverse.And while theres no true rule of thumb on the issue, many alternate universes we see in fiction share some basic history.
Look at DC Comics Pre-Crisis multiverse..........Earth 1 and 2 Supermans,both have a similar basic history, while still having very different lives.The same can be said about the Batmans of both worlds.True there are also some major differences like the Flashs and the Green Lanterns.But even in both, basic human history and our creation were basically the same.
If we look over to Star Trek, excluding the "reboot" issues, we first see the mirror Universe in the original series, we meet "evil" versions of Kirk and the others.Now true, their history cant be exactly the same, but to get an evil Kirk, the same 2 people in his universe must have gotten together to give birth to him as they did in the prime universe.
In an episode of ST:the next Generation, we are shown a large number of Parallel universes, some with very minor difference, some very different...........but they all must have shared a basic history, or maybe you can say they all branched off the same tree.
So, seeing the TF multiverse from those "eyes", what I learned/absorbed as a trek and comic geek, left me always question how in one TF universe the Quints were their creators and in an other they were created by a god like being.
Now truth be told, I havent always liked the idea of Primus either, i prefer what marvel suggested in their early issues, that TF evolved naturally on Cybertron........to me it seemed more alien, which after all is what TFs are.
But the choice is Primus or Quints...given that I go Primus.Now its true, the toon never spoke of Primus, but in my opinion, between the trustworthiness of the quints and the Primicons assistant claims, theres reason to suggest any number of alternate creation origins.
The thing is, at the time that each origin story was crafted (comic Primus vs. cartoon Quints), it was the cartoon's Quint origin that came first, in 1986. Simon Furman's Primus origin wouldn't first debut until early 1988 in the UK's "The Legacy of Unicron!" epic, and wouldn't hit American shores until late 1989 in "The Primal Scream!" and later again in 1990/1991 with "The Void!"
So for a period of roughly two years, the Quintesson origin story was the only one in existence, and Marvel's adaptation of "The Big Broadcast of 2006" also included mention of it in that issue, which came out in early 1988, equally preceding any of the Primus origin issues. And at the time, that issue could have worked as a possible future for the comics at the time that the main story was at. It was only in later issues that it was fully retconned out as being just another alternate future. But for a time, there was still that intermediate period where the Quintesson origin was the only one that existed for any Transformers media (save for the Primitives thing, which, as I said, seemed to be an isolated case exclusive to just the animals).
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