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Operation Ravage wrote:Jar Axel wrote:Operation Ravage wrote:Go back and read again.
These churches that rely nearly solely upon Old Testament teachings irritate me to no end.
Sodom and Gammorah? How about Jesus' Golden Rule instead?
*Snort* How about inquisition?
So now you're dredging up 15th century mistakes to justify your current condemnation of a religion? That was half a millennium ago.
Operation Ravage wrote:Tammuz wrote:Operation Ravage wrote:Have you actually read the New Testament? Because Jesus specifically threw out a lot of Old Testament teachings. Dietary laws, for one.
Matthew 15:11: it is not what goes in that defiles a man, but what comes out.
and mohammed did the same to the new testament about 6 centuries later....
your point?
No, he didn't. He restored much of the Old Testament teachings instead of evolving them.
I.E--why can't Muslims eat pork? Why must women remain covered? etc.
Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy ****. Pigs sleep and root in ****. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense enough to disregard its own faeces.
15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man
Jar Axel wrote:Operation Ravage wrote:Jar Axel wrote:Operation Ravage wrote:Go back and read again.
These churches that rely nearly solely upon Old Testament teachings irritate me to no end.
Sodom and Gammorah? How about Jesus' Golden Rule instead?
*Snort* How about inquisition?
So now you're dredging up 15th century mistakes to justify your current condemnation of a religion? That was half a millennium ago.
And the legacy of Constantine's consolidation of Christanity under a single governing body.
So you write of the inquisition ehh? What about all the other "mistakes" Christanity has made since Constantine decided to use it as a way to controll the populace? Or do you get to ignore these because Christanity is "divinely inspired"?
You want justification then look no further than all the negative things that can be contributed to Christanity's rise to power. The Dark Ages, the Crusades, the Inquisition are just the tip of the iceberg. Now to be fair lets look at the good things Christanity has accomplished...... um I can't seem to find any the Renasaunce, the Industrial Revolution, exctra all happened during luls in Christanity.
Operation Ravage wrote:You have yet to prove that Atheism is a superior belief system. You have offered definitions, but no proof.
I'm not going to touch the "but it's a faith-based system, and you can't prove it!" cop-out.
Prove to me that atheism is superior using historical precedent and logic instead of general hand-waves and buzzwords.
Blackstreak wrote:And the Quran is not from God so I'll just go ahead and toss that out.
Blackstreak wrote:There are 2 absolutes in existence: 1)There is a heaven for the eternal existence of the soul & 2)There is a hell for the destruction of the soul. You will either exist forever, or will be completely wiped out of existence as if you were never born. God leaves the choice up to the individual.
Dark Zarak wrote:Shadowman wrote:Christianity. The world's biggest Religion. And only One God. But, certainly, there must've been something before Christianity?
Yes, there was. Hindu, Islam, Judaism (Which are still around), Norse, Greek, and it's remake Roman, Shinto, Buddhism, Confucianism, Rastafari, and MANY more exist and/or still exist.
Dude.
Islam came 600 years after Christ, and Rastafarianism only started to show up in the 30's. Haile Selassie wasn't even born until 1892.
And Christianity is wrong. Its tenants are right, but its claims are wrong.
Salazaar wrote:Who the hell are you to say if something is right or wrong? Suck my dick, you closeminded asshole.
Kjell wrote:If someone has to be right it is not at all a given that this someone is alive and well today. Maybe those who were right are long gone. Maybe they are yet to come.
Assuming, of course, that someone does have to be right.
Blackstreak wrote:And the Quran is not from God so I'll just go ahead and toss that out.
Kjell wrote:I would like you to offer proof of the existance of 1) Heaven and 2) Hell.
Blackstreak wrote:Salazaar wrote:Who the hell are you to say if something is right or wrong? Suck my dick, you closeminded asshole.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Real christians don't respond like this because Jesus would never respond like this. No wonder people prefer to not have a faith in God.
Salazaar wrote:Dark Zarak wrote:Shadowman wrote:Christianity. The world's biggest Religion. And only One God. But, certainly, there must've been something before Christianity?
Yes, there was. Hindu, Islam, Judaism (Which are still around), Norse, Greek, and it's remake Roman, Shinto, Buddhism, Confucianism, Rastafari, and MANY more exist and/or still exist.
Dude.
Islam came 600 years after Christ, and Rastafarianism only started to show up in the 30's. Haile Selassie wasn't even born until 1892.
And Christianity is wrong. Its tenants are right, but its claims are wrong.
Who the hell are you to say if something is right or wrong? Suck my dick, you closeminded asshole.
Blackstreak wrote:Supporting evidence? I should be so bold as to ask for proof of this as atheists ask for proof on God's existence. Asking for evidence is a two-way street. Atheists ask God for proof of his existence, I ask for proof on the legitimate existence of these other gods. Islamics only think Christianity and Judaism is centered of Allah.
Blackstreak wrote:No one can prove the existence of Heaven or Hell through physical/scientific methods. That's what's so great about how God chose to do things. Since faith is reduced to being a cop-out answer you wouldn't believe me if I told you faith is the answer. But as I said before faith is where you start.
Blackstreak wrote:Since this thread is about what if christianity is wrong then my response is still the same. If it is wrong I've lost nothing more than anyone else. If it is right I've gained more than anyone else. It is not about proof for anything.
Operation Ravage wrote:Jar Axel wrote:Operation Ravage wrote:Jar Axel wrote:Operation Ravage wrote:Go back and read again.
These churches that rely nearly solely upon Old Testament teachings irritate me to no end.
Sodom and Gammorah? How about Jesus' Golden Rule instead?
*Snort* How about inquisition?
So now you're dredging up 15th century mistakes to justify your current condemnation of a religion? That was half a millennium ago.
And the legacy of Constantine's consolidation of Christanity under a single governing body.
So you write of the inquisition ehh? What about all the other "mistakes" Christanity has made since Constantine decided to use it as a way to controll the populace? Or do you get to ignore these because Christanity is "divinely inspired"?
You want justification then look no further than all the negative things that can be contributed to Christanity's rise to power. The Dark Ages, the Crusades, the Inquisition are just the tip of the iceberg. Now to be fair lets look at the good things Christanity has accomplished...... um I can't seem to find any the Renasaunce, the Industrial Revolution, exctra all happened during luls in Christanity.
Oh yes. Let's blame Christianity for everything bad that happened to Europe, ignoring, of course, Islamic expansion in the Arabian peninsula, the Moors taking over Spain, the socio/economic effects of the Black Plague, and the end of a mini-ice age.
And I fail to see the Industrial Revolution and the Renaissance as "lulls" in Christianity. Religious doctrine was still live and kicking then.
Kjell wrote:
If this is your justification for believing in Christianity then the odds are againt you. There is a greater chance that any of the other religions equally lacking in factual support (pretty much every single one) is correct than that Christianity is correct. Of course, that percentage is still on the small side, but still.
Blackstreak wrote:I've made a decision long ago that I don't have to provide proof to anyone who doesn't want God to exist. And in a way I can sympathize with that. Who wants to stand before an omnipotent God to be held accountable for the way they live their life? Who wants to pay the price for all the wrong they've done (and no one is exempt from this)? I'm quite sure there are few people who have ever existed, and exist now, and ever will who wants that.
Kjell wrote:If one will only encounter evidence for the existence of Heaven and Hell when one dies, why are you so sure that these places exist in the first place? To the best of my knowledge you aren't dead. Or a necromancer.Blackstreak wrote:I've made a decision long ago that I don't have to provide proof to anyone who doesn't want God to exist. And in a way I can sympathize with that. Who wants to stand before an omnipotent God to be held accountable for the way they live their life? Who wants to pay the price for all the wrong they've done (and no one is exempt from this)? I'm quite sure there are few people who have ever existed, and exist now, and ever will who wants that.
Wanting doesn't really factor into it for me, personally. All I would like to know is what reasons people use to justify their ideas. It's quite a puzzle to me when they don't have a reason at all or when they claim things that are contrary to rational thought. Or, indeed, contrary to thought in general! That actually happens, sadly.
Not that I am entirely convinced that an all-capable god who sentences people he could have saved without effort to infinite punishment (in severity as well as duration) for finite crime would be all that stellar, mind you.
Operation Ravage wrote:I make no apologies for erasing holidays.
Cyberstrike wrote:I hate to tell you this but Christianity stole Christmas from
the Pagan Romans due to Constantine wanting to convert Pagan Romans to Christianity.
Cyberstrike wrote:Operation Ravage wrote:I make no apologies for erasing holidays.
I hate to tell you this but Christianity stole Christmas from
the Pagan Romans due to Constantine wanting to convert Pagan Romans to Christianity.
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Morality and success.— It is not only the witnesses of a deed who often measure its moral or immoral nature by its success. No, the author of a deed does so, too. For motives and intentions are seldom sufficiently clear and simple, and sometimes even memory seems to be dimmed by the success of a deed, so that one attributes false motives to his deed, or treats inessential motives as essential. Often it is success that gives to a deed the full, honest lustre of a good conscience; failure lays the shadow of an uneasy conscience upon the most estimable action. This leads to the politician's well-known practice of thinking: "Just grant me success; with it I will bring all honest souls to my side—and make myself honest in my own sight."
In a similar way, success can take the place of more substantial arguments. Even now, many educated people think that the victory of Christianity over Greek philosophy is a proof of the greater truth of the former—although in this case it is only that something more crude and violent has triumphed over something more spiritual and delicate. We can determine which of them has the greater truth by noting that the awakening sciences have carried on point for point with the philosophy of Epicurus, but have rejected Christianity point for point.
Shadowman wrote:Christianity. The world's biggest Religion. And only One God. But, certainly, there must've been something before Christianity?
Yes, there was. Hindu, Islam, Judaism (Which are still around), Norse, Greek, and it's remake Roman, Shinto, Buddhism, Confucianism, Rastafari, and MANY more exist and/or still exist.
What I'm saying is, what if Christianity is Wrong? What if the Norse was right, or the Hindu, or even the Greeks? What if Jesus was just a Man? What there were many Gods, instead of One? What would you do if suddenly, Odin, or Horus, or Vishnu pops out of the sky, and tell you what REALLY exists?
Keep in mind, I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I'm saying WHAT IF you're wrong?
Operation Ravage wrote:Yeah, keep telling yourself that. A few thousand as opposed to 1.3 billion Christians and 1 billion Muslims.
Yeah, those Nords. Quite the religious movement, there.
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