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What was Beast Wars Megatrons Japanese name?

Megatron-sama?

I think it was just Megatron, then in Robot Masters, to differentiate him from the other Megatron, he was 'Beast Megatron'... I think.

Wasn't BW Megatron the same character as G1 Megatron in Japan. And the same goes for Primal and Prime. But then how could they have Primal and Prime and BW Megatron and Reborn G1 Megatron in RM? Are they the same guys just from different times? Wouldn't that cause a paradox or destroy the universe or something?

Great Scott!

UltraPrimal wrote:Wasn't BW Megatron the same character as G1 Megatron in Japan. And the same goes for Primal and Prime. But then how could they have Primal and Prime and BW Megatron and Reborn G1 Megatron in RM? Are they the same guys just from different times? Wouldn't that cause a paradox or destroy the universe or something?

Great Scott!

Not in Japan!

Was it even directly stated in the series?

A friend of mine says it was Gigatron. If im not mistaken thats what Megatron was called in RID and since that is more or less the same Megs as in Beast Wars wouldnt that be his name?

Megatron_Wolf wrote:A friend of mine says it was Gigatron. If im not mistaken thats what Megatron was called in RID and since that is more or less the same Megs as in Beast Wars wouldnt that be his name?

RID or Car Robots as it was known in Japan was a completely different serries and universe then Beast Wars...even in Japan.Gigatron and Beast Wars Megatron are not the same character nor are they from the same universe.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Megatron_Wolf wrote:A friend of mine says it was Gigatron. If im not mistaken thats what Megatron was called in RID and since that is more or less the same Megs as in Beast Wars wouldnt that be his name?

RID or Car Robots as it was known in Japan was a completely different serries and universe then Beast Wars...even in Japan.Gigatron and Beast Wars Megatron are not the same character nor are they from the same universe.

every show after RID was a new universe. So to make some sense of it all i consider all the Megs from Beast Wars on except the movie one and the classic one as the same Megs. Since they had the same VA voicing them as well this adds a little backing to my line of thinking.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Megatron_Wolf wrote:A friend of mine says it was Gigatron. If im not mistaken thats what Megatron was called in RID and since that is more or less the same Megs as in Beast Wars wouldnt that be his name?

RID or Car Robots as it was known in Japan was a completely different serries and universe then Beast Wars...even in Japan.Gigatron and Beast Wars Megatron are not the same character nor are they from the same universe.

every show after RID was a new universe. So to make some sense of it all i consider all the Megs from Beast Wars on except the movie one and the classic one as the same Megs. Since they had the same VA voicing them as well this adds a little backing to my line of thinking.

Then forgive me for saying so...but your way of thinking is flawed.RID Megatron had a different voice actor then the shows that preceded and followed it.

The voice actor for Megatron in both Beast shows and the Unicron Trilogy was David Kaye.

But the voice actor for RID Megatron was Daniel Riordan.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Then forgive me for saying so...but your way of thinking is flawed.RID Megatron had a different voice actor then the shows that preceded and followed it.

The voice actor for Megatron in both Beast shows and the Unicron Trilogy was David Kaye.

But the voice actor for RID Megatron was Daniel Riordan.

Yeah i know that. But how odd that Megatrons last mode in Beast Machines was a Dragon and then oh look in RID (the show after BM) Megs main form was a Dragon. Im not going to say that RID Megatron was a hole new Megatron just because they decided to try new VAs. And if you think that every megatron in ever show on TV was a different one then your logic my friend is wrong. Its like saying the Vegeta in the saiyan saga of Dragonball Z is differnt from Majin Vegeta because his voice is different and he acts a little differently. From BW on the Megatrons/Galvatrons have acted just like the one in BW/BM and in the most part had the same VA so therefor, they must be the same being just in alternate universes. Every show since BW was like one big reset after another. Its like they said "ok lets forget that happened and see what happens when we do this with the characters". So in this way they are the same bot just stripped of the experiences of the last battle and thrown into a new one. There have only been 3 Megatrons in my book, G1, Beast Wars, and the Movie version. All other Megatron are just one of those in a different body in an alternate situation. I like how this went from trying to find out a name for my friend to some pompous ass trying to tell me my logics flawed for trying to make some sense out of the madness that is the Japanese transformers universe.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:What was Beast Wars Megatrons Japanese name?

Officially Beast Wars Megatron was plainly called Megatron in Japan. TransMetal I Megatron was called Metals Megatron and TransMetal II Megatron was called Metals Dragon Megatron. For marketing purposes, Megatron was at times referred to as Beast Megatron and that's what they went with when the character appeared in RobotMasters.

Optimus Primal was officially just Convoy and later Metals Convoy and after that Metals Powered Convoy. But at times, for the same reason as Megatron, Primal was referred to as either Beast Convoy or Jungle Convoy.

Officially they were still called Convoy and Megatron.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Then forgive me for saying so...but your way of thinking is flawed.RID Megatron had a different voice actor then the shows that preceded and followed it.

The voice actor for Megatron in both Beast shows and the Unicron Trilogy was David Kaye.

But the voice actor for RID Megatron was Daniel Riordan.

Yeah i know that. But how odd that Megatrons last mode in Beast Machines was a Dragon and then oh look in RID (the show after BM) Megs main form was a Dragon. Im not going to say that RID Megatron was a hole new Megatron just because they decided to try new VAs. And if you think that every megatron in ever show on TV was a different one then your logic my friend is wrong. Its like saying the Vegeta in the saiyan saga of Dragonball Z is differnt from Majin Vegeta because his voice is different and he acts a little differently. From BW on the Megatrons/Galvatrons have acted just like the one in BW/BM and in the most part had the same VA so therefor, they must be the same being just in alternate universes. Every show since BW was like one big reset after another. Its like they said "ok lets forget that happened and see what happens when we do this with the characters". So in this way they are the same bot just stripped of the experiences of the last battle and thrown into a new one. There have only been 3 Megatrons in my book, G1, Beast Wars, and the Movie version. All other Megatron are just one of those in a different body in an alternate situation. I like how this went from trying to find out a name for my friend to some pompous ass trying to tell me my logics flawed for trying to make some sense out of the madness that is the Japanese transformers universe.

First of all calm down...there's no reason to sink to the level of name calling.

Second you claimed that for you they were the same character because they had the same voice actor not because of some "Alternate Universe" theory.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:every show after RID was a new universe. So to make some sense of it all i consider all the Megs from Beast Wars on except the movie one and the classic one as the same Megs. Since they had the same VA voicing them as well this adds a little backing to my line of thinking.

So you cant really blame me for questioning your line of thinking.

I was just trying to understand your way of thinking not start a feud with you.

And as for "logic".....explain the logic in considering Movie Megatron any different then the other Megatrons in your "Alternate Universe" theory????Why is he any different then the others?????

Also I dont see how you can strip a character of his life experiences and still think he's the same character????

Life experiences is what forms a persons character, and if removed or altered in a big way, that character would be a different person.

Look twards other fiction with alternate universe's in its story for exsamples of this.

Star Trek's Mirror Universe James T. Kirk is a different character then the regular Universe version of James T. Kirk and the same goes for all the other characters we saw come out of the Mirror Universe.

Some may have been very similar but ultimately they were different characters on quite a few levels.

Even with your "reset" opinion the characters are still changed even if similar.

Look at the characters personalty traits of BM Megatron and then look at the personalty traits of RID Megs.

RID Megs was no where near as smart or cunning as BM Megs.

If you change the events of the characters life you end up changing the character as well.

It goes hand in hand.

And by the way RID came after Beast Machines in the U.S. but Car Robots was on the air in Japan at roughly the same time as Beast Machines was in the U.S.

In Japan Car Robots followed one of the Beast Wars shows and not Beast Machines.Beast Wars Neo ended in 1999 in Japan.

Toy and cartoon ads for Car Robots started as early as 11/99 and toys first hit Japan stores in March of 2000.

Which meens that the toy designs had to be on the trawing board for some time before.

Beast Machines hit the air around October of 1999 and the toys were modeled after the show unlike every other TF toy line.

So any connection between Beast Machines Megatron and Gigatron from Car Robots from a creator stand point is highly unlikely.

It is more likly that they modeled Car Robots Gigatron's dragon mode as a nod to the dragon mode of Beast Wars Neo's Galvatron's dragon mode.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And by the way RID came after Beast Machines in the U.S. but Car Robots was on the air in Japan at roughly the same time as Beast Machines was in the U.S.

In Japan Car Robots followed one of the Beast Wars shows and not Beast Machines.Beast Wars Neo ended in 1999 in Japan.

Toy and cartoon ads for Car Robots started as early as 11/99 and toys first hit Japan stores in March of 2000.

Which meens that the toy designs had to be on the trawing board for some time before.

Beast Machines hit the air around October of 1999 and the toys were modeled after the show unlike every other TF toy line.

So any connection between Beast Machines Megatron and Gigatron from Car Robots from a creator stand point is highly unlikely.

It is more likly that they modeled Car Robots Gigatron's dragon mode as a nod to the dragon mode of Beast Wars Neo's Galvatron's dragon mode.

Ok well knowing that now RID is excluded form this then. And the same voice actor thing wasnt the main basis for my theary it was ment to back it up. And oh look now he has to get all scientific and treky with us now. Now my turn. If you were to erase your memories and start a new you are still you. Your character traits might become different but you are still the same being as you were before your mind wipe. You dont just stop being because you have no memories of your past life. Lets say we take one of your friends. Some one you've know for a long time. Lets call him Bob. He hits his head and loses his memories from the past 10 years. Is he still not Bob? Is he now some guy named John? Has he some how been reborn? No he's still the same being that was there for his entire life span. Same thing applies here. So if you like, From RID on the Megs are the same being. And i consider movie Megatron different from the rest because 1: No physical resemblance to past Megatrons, 2: New Voice and speech pattern, 4: Acts like a hybrid of past Megatrons. He is now 100% or even 80% like one of the past Megatrons. Thats what makes him a new one. Just like how G1 Megatron and Beast Wars Megatron arent the same. You know what i say we end this convo right hear and now. Its just going to go on forever. We both had our say ans stated out interpratations. So let end it. If you dont want to then i all for continuing but all its going to do is take up space on the seibertron server that can be used for some thing better. I also would like to thank Raymond for giving me a clear answer (what i wanted from day 1) and every one else who tried to answer. Also please excuse any spelling or grammer issues. Its 5:30am here and i cant type to well right now.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:Ok well knowing that now RID is excluded form this then. And the same voice actor thing wasnt the main basis for my theary it was ment to back it up. And oh look now he has to get all scientific and treky with us now. Now my turn. If you were to erase your memories and start a new you are still you. Your character traits might become different but you are still the same being as you were before your mind wipe. You dont just stop being because you have no memories of your past life. Lets say we take one of your friends. Some one you've know for a long time. Lets call him Bob. He hits his head and loses his memories from the past 10 years. Is he still not Bob? Is he now some guy named John? Has he some how been reborn? No he's still the same being that was there for his entire life span. Same thing applies here.

"Bob" might be the same being but would they be the same person?????At least in the way it really counts?????The lost of 10 years or memerories and life experances's could really change just who a person is.

I know I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago and if the grouth I've had since then were erased the person I am today would be gone.

More so if my mind was completly wiped.

But I guess thats a different kind of debate.

Megatron_Wolf wrote: So if you like, From RID on the Megs are the same being. And i consider movie Megatron different from the rest because 1: No physical resemblance to past Megatrons, 2: New Voice and speech pattern, 4: Acts like a hybrid of past Megatrons. He is now 100% or even 80% like one of the past Megatrons. Thats what makes him a new one. Just like how G1 Megatron and Beast Wars Megatron arent the same.

Your confusing me again.

Let me make clear what I'm saying.In the U.S. Armada,Energon and Cybertron's Megatrons were all the same bot.

In Japan the Cybertron version of Megatron was a different bot because over there Cybertron was a seprate serries.

In both the U.S. and Japan RID Megatron was a different bot then the other Megatrons.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:You know what i say we end this convo right hear and now. Its just going to go on forever. We both had our say ans stated out interpratations. So let end it. If you dont want to then i all for continuing but all its going to do is take up space on the seibertron server that can be used for some thing better.

I have no problem ending this or continuing it but what I still dont understand why your coming off with such an offensive and defencive stance in your post.As I said before I was just trying understand your point of view not start a feud with you.

Megatron_Wolf wrote: Also please excuse any spelling or grammer issues. Its 5:30am here and i cant type to well right now.

Your spellings not so bad..........I've done worce.

Megatron_Wolf wrote:]I also would like to thank Raymond for giving me a clear answer (what i wanted from day 1) and every one else who tried to answer.

No problem.

What you seem to be forgetting is that Beast Wars Megatron died, along with Optimus Primal.

But, going by your logic, Megatron_Wolf, Spike Spiegel from Cowboy Bebop must be the same person as Roger Smith from Big O. They have the same voice actor and mannerisms, and suffer from amnesia.

Except people don't go that route because it's insane.

It doesn't matter if you consider BW Megatron and RID Megatron the same person, because that's basically just you. There's no reason for any of the event to have happened. At the end of G1, everyone was familiar with the Transformers, (G1 being only a couple of centuries before BW) but they're some crazy new thing in RID, which takes place only shortly in the future. (Hence why humans are still running on fossil fuels)

Moreover, the Maximal Upgrade has been noted to be significantly more efficient than staying as an Autobot, just the same as the Predacon Upgrade versus staying as a Decepticon, and that both upgrades came during a time of Peace. So why aren't there any Maximals, only Predacons, and everyone is trying to kill each other?