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Re: Yet more cat abuse.

Postby GetterDragun » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:59 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Jar Axel wrote:
I never said it didn't count. I did, however, say it doesn't contain things he claimed it did.


Now your just ignoring facts so you can back up your side of the argument.


Alright, alright. Show me, in that article, exactly where it says no one intervened out of fear of legal repercussions.


Seriously, do you think that they found the people who did not intervene and questioned them about this? I mean, they didn't even pay attention to the people who were the problems at first, why would they look for the people that did nothing to help out? I also think it's time to make this a new thread in The Philosopher's Forum since it is now way off course.
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Re: Yet more cat abuse.

Postby Name_Violation » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:04 pm

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Re: Yet more cat abuse.

Postby Scatterlung » Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:44 pm

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GetterDragun wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Jar Axel wrote:
I never said it didn't count. I did, however, say it doesn't contain things he claimed it did.


Now your just ignoring facts so you can back up your side of the argument.


Alright, alright. Show me, in that article, exactly where it says no one intervened out of fear of legal repercussions.


Seriously, do you think that they found the people who did not intervene and questioned them about this? I mean, they didn't even pay attention to the people who were the problems at first, why would they look for the people that did nothing to help out? I also think it's time to make this a new thread in The Philosopher's Forum since it is now way off course.

Just lock it, we've had this debate before.

And set it on fire, while you're at it.
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Re: Yet more cat abuse.

Postby cybercat » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:03 am

Shadowman wrote:
Wow, okay. So your whole idea is that humanity can never be better, and to even TRY to be better is foolish?

Nope. Sorry. I'm not that pessimistic. I still think humanity can be better and there's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise.


Agreed, but that presupposes that everyone in humanity *wants* to be better. Psychiatrists run around trying to find excuses for this act of violence and that--oh, he had a bad childhood, or geez, his mommy didn't love him enough--as if that justifies rape, school shootings, gang violence, etc.

Some people choose to be evil. I didn't believe it myself for a long time. I was right there with Will Smith when he said (and got in trouble for saying) that Hitler didn't believe he was evil. But I look around and see people deliberately making bad choices--with eyes open. Years and years of movies featuring anti-heroes have shown the general unthinking public (baaaaaa!) that Evil = Cool. How do we deal with them?

And society is judged based on it's worst? By that logic, the Twelve Apostles were pure evil because Judas sold out Jesus.


Actually, later Medieval christian thought has an answer for this. I think it's Aquinas, but I may be wrong. It all runs together after a while and it's been many many years. Strap yourself in, because it's kind of a bumpy ride. The story goes that for God's divine plan to unfold (Jesus's sacrifice) someone *had* to betray him. So that Judas Iscariot was merely acting in accordance to God's will when he betrayed him. Therefore, Judas was obeying God. Therefore, Judas = not evil. Judas is, I believe, one of those guys who will be redeemed in the Last Judgment.

Rugged individualist that I am, I don't think we should be judged as a society. We should assess people as individuals. Elsewise, Paris Hilton and I would exist on the same moral spectrum. Yuck.

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Re: Yet more cat abuse.

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:30 pm

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hellkitty wrote:Actually, later Medieval christian thought has an answer for this. I think it's Aquinas, but I may be wrong. It all runs together after a while and it's been many many years. Strap yourself in, because it's kind of a bumpy ride. The story goes that for God's divine plan to unfold (Jesus's sacrifice) someone *had* to betray him. So that Judas Iscariot was merely acting in accordance to God's will when he betrayed him. Therefore, Judas was obeying God. Therefore, Judas = not evil. Judas is, I believe, one of those guys who will be redeemed in the Last Judgment.


I had never thought of it that way. I don't believe in this stuff, but I have enough people around me who do and I have heard a lot. Now, next time I see them, I will bring this up. I wonder if they will agree. That was a good viewpoint.
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