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Our friends at The Internet have found a video posted on YouTube by a gentleman setting his Doberman on a cat.


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Now I haven't watched the video, and I'm not going to. But the description is something along the lines of this guy knocking a cat out of a tree for the sole purpose of letting his trained-to-kill Doberman tear the feline apart, which it does in the proceeding four minutes while the guy encourages it, kicking the cat back within the dogs reach at one point.
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Seriously...

Do you think its because of the internet and the inherent speed and spread of news that makes it seem the world is going to ****? Or is humanity really losing its edge?

Scatterlung wrote:Do you think its because of the internet and the inherent speed and spread of news that makes it seem the world is going to ****? Or is humanity really losing its edge?

I think **** like this has been out there long before the computer was invented. It's just more exposed these days because there are people who are demented - and stupid enough - to video and post their ship.

Hopefully, this will lead to animal cruelty charges being leveled. After all, the guy was stupid enough to post the evidence online.

Crap like this has been happening for a long time. My mom does family history work and if you look at old newspapers, you'll find crap like this all the time. The worlds been crap for a while, but the miracle of technology has made it more well known.

I fear for humanity when they think it's okay to post that kind of crap on the net thinking they won't be penalized.

Humanity has been going down the pooper long before the internet came along.

The Crusades, the war of 1812, World War One, The Holocaust, Vietnam, Rush Limbaugh

set him on fire. see how he likes it. people like this should be castrated, painfully. blunt force castration.

Based on the description, I'm going to have to take a pass on watching it. Bleurk. Again, I see a need for a 'vomit' emoticon.

Can I just point out, as a person who has spent her entire life around Dobermans, that this is also *dog abuse*? Dobies are possibly the sweetest, most affectionate and people-pleasing breeds I know, and what's even worse than this poor kitty's fate is that this creep has twisted his dog's affection and loyalty to train it to kill.

HK, this is why I hate people.

Name_Violation wrote:set him on fire. see how he likes it. people like this should be castrated, painfully. blunt force castration.

I'm saddened that I have to say this again: **** like that doesn't make you any better than him.

Doing something like this isn't right, or sane. This isn't exactly a feeder mouse and a snake. If you think of a feeder mouse as the snake version of a chicken, I figure you can draw a line where feeding one animal to another becomes acceptable.

But if you think torture and mutilation are the proper punishment, you're just as bad.

Shadowman wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:set him on fire. see how he likes it. people like this should be castrated, painfully. blunt force castration.

I'm saddened that I have to say this again: **** like that doesn't make you any better than him.

Doing something like this isn't right, or sane. This isn't exactly a feeder mouse and a snake. If you think of a feeder mouse as the snake version of a chicken, I figure you can draw a line where feeding one animal to another becomes acceptable.

But if you think torture and mutilation are the proper punishment, you're just as bad.

I can see where your coming from Shadowman, but you are making one small mistake: Small cats are natural prey for dogs.

That doens't what the man did wasn't wrong though; that poor cat did his job to get away and the jerkwad came along and cheated (changed the rules) him out of his survival.

Jar Axel wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:set him on fire. see how he likes it. people like this should be castrated, painfully. blunt force castration.

I'm saddened that I have to say this again: **** like that doesn't make you any better than him.

Doing something like this isn't right, or sane. This isn't exactly a feeder mouse and a snake. If you think of a feeder mouse as the snake version of a chicken, I figure you can draw a line where feeding one animal to another becomes acceptable.

But if you think torture and mutilation are the proper punishment, you're just as bad.

I can see where your coming from Shadowman, but you are making one small mistake: Small cats are natural prey for dogs.

That doens't what the man did wasn't wrong though; that poor cat did his job to get away and the jerkwad came along and cheated (changed the rules) him out of his survival.

No no, I thought of that, I just couldn't word it right to the point where it'd seem okay.

If the assclown hadn't gotten in the way, the cat would definitely have survived; cats are the best hunters in the animal kingdom. Even if the cat couldn't take the dog in a fight, it would have been able to slip away quite easily. Unless it were to get kicked back towards the dog.

Time for something that makes humanity suck a bit less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq6b9bMBXpg

Shadowman wrote:

Name_Violation wrote:set him on fire. see how he likes it. people like this should be castrated, painfully. blunt force castration.

I'm saddened that I have to say this again: **** like that doesn't make you any better than him.

Doing something like this isn't right, or sane. This isn't exactly a feeder mouse and a snake. If you think of a feeder mouse as the snake version of a chicken, I figure you can draw a line where feeding one animal to another becomes acceptable.

But if you think torture and mutilation are the proper punishment, you're just as bad.

I'm of the opinion that if someone does something this cruel they automatically forfeit the right to be treated nicely.

Night Raid wrote:I'm of the opinion that if someone does something this cruel they automatically forfeit the right to be treated nicely.

But then by punishing cruelty with cruelty you also forfeit your right to be treated nicely.

Shadowman wrote:

Night Raid wrote:I'm of the opinion that if someone does something this cruel they automatically forfeit the right to be treated nicely.

But then by punishing cruelty with cruelty you also forfeit your right to be treated nicely.

That's karma for you, I guess. But what I'm trying to say is that anyone who tortures innocent animals for fun or amusement deserves whatever they get. Congratulations, you've found the ONE thing I can't forgive.

Night Raid wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Night Raid wrote:I'm of the opinion that if someone does something this cruel they automatically forfeit the right to be treated nicely.

But then by punishing cruelty with cruelty you also forfeit your right to be treated nicely.

That's karma for you, I guess. But what I'm trying to say is that anyone who tortures innocent animals for fun or amusement deserves whatever they get. Congratulations, you've found the ONE thing I can't forgive.

No one said anything about forgiveness. I was trying to explain that if you think torture is the correct punishment for torture, then you are just as bad.

Also, he wasn't torturing an animal, he fed a cat to his dog. It's sick how he forced the cat into it, but it's about as torturous as a lion eating a gazelle.

Night Raid wrote:

Shadowman wrote:But then by punishing cruelty with cruelty you also forfeit your right to be treated nicely.

That's karma for you, I guess. But what I'm trying to say is that anyone who tortures innocent animals for fun or amusement deserves whatever they get. Congratulations, you've found the ONE thing I can't forgive.

Ghandi wrote: and eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

I'm not a pacifist. I would be the first person to beat the living hell out of this guy if I saw what he did.

Dealing with a guy like this is a tough one. Put him in prison, he learns nothing. Beat the hell out of him, while satisfying, does nothing. Take away his dog, it helps a bit.

For this type of douchebag, I would slap him with mandatory community service working with the local animal shelter dealing with rescued pets. Seeing the injured pets, the whole thing.

Of course after beating the hell out of him for doing that to an animal.

hellkitty wrote:Can I just point out, as a person who has spent her entire life around Dobermans, that this is also *dog abuse*? Dobies are possibly the sweetest, most affectionate and people-pleasing breeds I know

I agree with this statement. I used to work at a vet, and some of the nicest dogs I met were the ones the media characterizes the worst: Rottwiellers, Dobermans, Pit Bulls (you read that right), and even Chows. The worst - the little toy breeds.

This is proof that the problem is not always the dog, but most commonly the owner.

I've always had problems with Chows no matter what I do. The other breeds are fine thoughif raised right.

Most of the toy breeds are annoying. My grandma's chihuahua is one of the few toy dogs that I like because she's generally quiet and doesn't feel the need to make a scene at every possible moment.

I'd say 50 lashings for the guy followed by community service. That way both parties are appeased. They really should bring back flogging. It seemed like prisons were less crowded when flogging was allowed.

robofreak wrote:They really should bring back flogging. It seemed like prisons were less crowded when flogging was allowed.

It seems like a good idea until you get to the freaks who enjoy it. And it could bring up a whole new realm of sexual assault lawsuits.

Archanubis wrote:I agree with this statement. I used to work at a vet, and some of the nicest dogs I met were the ones the media characterizes the worst: Rottwiellers, Dobermans, Pit Bulls (you read that right), and even Chows. The worst - the little toy breeds.

This is proof that the problem is not always the dog, but most commonly the owner.

Chows simply LOATHE human physical contact. Robofreak has it right.

Cats are NOT the 'natural prey' of dogs. Sorry. You're dealing with *domesticated* animals in both cases, so the whole concept of 'natural' anything is just ridiculous. The domestication process in both cases has limited the amount of physical weaponry the animal has (compare your cat's claws to a bobcat's) and the temperament. Dogs now have to be *trained* to fight or to be 'attack dogs'. That means dog-aggression is not natural.

One of my cats many years ago was killed by dogs. It took two of them, and they weren't trying to kill her, actually. They were 'playing'--not going after her to kill her. They were tossing her up in the air like a toy. It just happened that she wasn't a rubber or rope toy. Aaaaand now I'll stop thinking about that before I cry. Similarly, one of my dobies killed a copperhead. Not because it was a copperhead or because he's vicious--he thought it was a rope toy.

What most disturbs me, beyond the 'how do we punish this guy' is the question--can we reach this guy? Michael Vick (ptui!) tried to get off by saying it was part of his 'culture' to train dogs to fight and kill each other for his financial gain and amusement. Vick is unreachable. Until he dies and comes back as a fighting dog, he's not going to 'get' that what he did wasn't decent or civilized. I think this guy might be too.

Then again, I kind of think the whole idea of 'decent' or 'civilized' at some level, is BS. It's a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel safe and good. Clearly the human animal craves violence and humiliation--that explains most of any tv channel's primetime lineup. Only problem is we're not honest enough to do it ourselves so we act out violence and humiliation by proxy. As this jerk did.

I would sentence him to a Clockwork Orange-esque retraining consisting solely of My Little Pony and Care Bears episodes, but the anti-Gitmo people would be picketing me.

HK, Or that MC Hammer cartoon. That's gotta violate a couple of Geneva Conventions, too.

HK domesticated dogs will still chase and kill cats for food if they get hungry enough; just as they will do with squirlls, rabbits, ducks, mice, and yes even snakes. Domestication doesn't change the prey list at all, but because of consistant feeding they will tend to play with prey items rather than consuming them.

I more or less grew up on my Grandparents farm where the dogs lived a much free-er life than they are allowed to do in most cities. Even with a daily feeding schedual they would regularly cath and kill all sorts of little "snacks" which ran the gammit of small local fauna.

Your farmdog situation is a false analogy. First because the word 'prey' means more than 'target' when I used it. Dogs do not NEED to hunt cats. Cats are actually pretty damned inedible. My sister's neighbor is a Holocaust survivor and she said that in the ghettos, there were no dogs or rats, but always cats. Why? Because even starving, they couldn't make themselves eat cat. It's revolting. (Unlike dog, which is actually kind of tasty and served in many Asian countries and it doesn't taste like chicken.)

And also because, alas, we live in a society that claims to be 'civilized'. Which means that not only do most people abhor violence inflicted by the strong onto the weak, but that most people have lost that connection between death and meat--that whole farm lifestyle is unimaginable to many people. Farm folk simply don't have the same attitudes towards animals as some of us soft cushy suburban folk who buy meat in styrofoam packages. My uncle had a great idea to raise rabbits for meat. He had three children. They grew soooo attached to Fluffy and Flopsy and Mopsy and Mrs Wiggles that, you guessed it, his whole plan went south. Eat Mrs Wiggles? Horror! Most of us living as Conrad's Marlowe would say, safely anchored with two addresses, simply can't imagine eating Kissy Meow-Meow Fur or Mr Barkies the same way a farmer can look at Pecky and Gladys, the chickens.

Much less hurting them for fun.

HK, also upset because two creeps in Texas shot Marcus Luttrell's therapy puppy.

hellkitty wrote:Dogs do not NEED to hunt cats.

Humans do not NEED to eat cows or pigs or chickens. We do it anyway, though. And it seems that the guy's dog didn't mind the taste of cat.

Not that I'm cool with it, but one animal eating another is called "nature."

From the description it sounds like the dog was attacking the cat, not trying to eat it to survive. I agree that guy should be castrated with a mallet. If actions like that aren't met with severe punishment it will happen more and more.

the animal rights group PETA are stupid,because they tried to have kfc closed for supposed animal abuse and the argument they made is pointless,but this crap is what they should try to prevent.
i have a soft spot for anyone i know personally,and any animals(mostly cats),and ive heard tons of crap like this,but this is the worst ive ever heard.

i mean,seriously,the guy sicked his dog onto this defenseless little kitten,and when it tried to run away,he just threw the kitten into the dogs face....that's all im gonna say because,this guy is a f****ng piece of s**t.

if he likes treating cats like we treat garbage,i say he deserves to get what blurr got in transwarped.

also,completely off topic but,kfc is awesome.if you got one were you live,go there asap