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Postby Cole Regnum » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:06 pm

Something I have noticed on many forums that I go to, people always say that they hate microsoft for one reason or another....so can someone here give me a good reason to hate microsoft, a good VALID, reason.

And I had better not hear any slack about VISTA from some guy with 256mb RAM who says VISTA sucks coz it wont run on his PC.
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Postby Nightracer GT » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:11 pm

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This is hardly philosophy. Notice the sorts of things the other topics are about: Souls. The very TF toys we love being produced in abusive Chinese factories, Black Presidents, the existance of God...

And I used to run XP on a computer with only 128 of RAM, and it worked. I think VISTA should take low RAM into account as well. Why should I be forced to spend money on new hardware as well? That's a pretty good reason to hate microsoft and their money-grubbing policies.


Though actually I don't hate them. Mac's are too simple and Linux is too hard, so I like Windows. XP.
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Postby Cole Regnum » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:27 pm

When XP came out, its minimum RAM was 64mb. And yes I have seen a PC run it on 64mb, not well mind you...

As for whether this is philosophical or not, I consider it philosophy, I am trying to understand why people hate this company for no reason, no logical reason anyway, of course, if the mods wish to move it to another one or delete it thats fine. I suppose Im just curious.
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Postby Tweezy » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:15 pm

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For the most part, the brunt of PC haters are MAC enthusiasts!
the more outspoken ones tend to see PC's the same way a normal human sees a pile of dog sh**. and I don't mean EVERY mac user!
I'm talking about the whiny squirts that like to start fights whenever Apple and Microsoft are discussed in the same room!
as for vista... it ain't half bad! I think that one reason the majority of people dislike vista is because it's popular to dislike vista!

your question was a valid one but like Zarak said, it is in the wrong place!

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Postby Shadowman » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:08 am

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Dark Zarak wrote:And I used to run XP on a computer with only 128 of RAM, and it worked.


It didn't for me. I had to use 256Mb or more for it to run good at all.

When I tried to run XP with only 128Mb, it barely ran at all. And by barely, I mean I couldn't open big files, programs would run sluggishly, or not at all. Some would crash or freeze at a moments notice.
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Postby Vega » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:58 am

Hate Microsoft? No way! I love the Empire. :D
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Postby Autobot032 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:09 am

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I hate Microsoft for their practices.

1.)
Windows 95's shell design (and coding I believe) was stolen from Apple's current OS (at that time) when Bill Gates broke off from Apple and left Steve Jobs on his own. (Or this was after. Basically, regardless of time frame, Gates stole the ideas and design. Yes, he helped create it, but it was a joint venture between the two men, who were friends since College.)

2.)
They created a monopoly and made back door deals with computer manufacturers so that Windows would be the only OS on their systems. Other companies probably would've fought it (like Apple did), but gave in when they saw the trend. In fact, in foreign countries....their governments required that Windows be shipped *without* Windows Media Player and that the consumer would decide what they want on their personal computers. (Some countries won't even allow WMP if I recall correctly...)

3.)
They overprice their programs for way more than they're worth. Now don't get me wrong, I realize the years of extensive work and coding is worth time and money, I really do. However, (and I got this tidbit of info from my uncle who is a Microsoft Certified Tech) beyond a certain point...the sales of the software have already been long paid for, and the discs they're coding, are literally a dime a dozen. No...it's the key (the friggin' KEY!) that nets them their dough. Anyone can slap a Windows XP, ME, 98, 95 disc in their computer, even if it came from a Dell, and you're using a Compaq....as long as you have a key to unlock the disc, that software will load. That should tell you just about how inexpensive and relatively worthless these discs really are.

4.)
They corner the market everywhere. They're the operating system, they're music program (WMP), they're instant messenger (Windows Live), they're now the Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, etc (Windows Live One Care), now...granted you don't have to buy all of their products, but the uninformed would automatically do it and say "Well...it's made by the same company. We need it, right?"

5.)
Systems become dependent upon their software. Some Vista PCs won't even run XP, or ME (not that anyone would, just saying) and Vista itself is a crapshoot that won't work half the time, so you're stuck with an expensive PC that's personal, but doesn't do much in the computing department. In fact, my cousin just bought a fully loaded Dell Dimension desktop with Vista included. No one told her that her iPod wouldn't work with it (in fact they told her it WOULD!) and when she connected it and it couldn't figure a way to make a compromise between the two systems...it literally damaged her computer. Her one onboard USB port doesn't work anymore, and the tech support said it could spread to the other ports, and even nullify the board's ability to handle USB anything, even if she installed a 2.0 card that handles the task itself. The least we should be able to do is put our PC back to the way it was before, especially if we can't even work with the one we have just spent our savings on.

On the flipside:

They have made some great strides in computing. They made it accessible for everyone from the age of 5 to 105, and it's able to be set up to be so simple, a monkey could do it.

They made it accessible for the hard of hearing and those with difficulty with sight. They've made it accessible for the handicapped.

They've made a fantastic gaming system (XBox/XBox360) that does everything you ask of it and more. (Although, considering that they die 50/50 when you pull 'em out of the box...is it really everything you asked for??)

They do stand behind their products, and they will work with you if you're willing to work with them.

They have the Bill Gates Foundation which has donated billions of dollars for AIDS research, educational programs worldwide. Even I have to give Gates credit, there is a good, stand up guy inside of him, once you get past the obnoxious logos, Start Menu, all the options and the bad Windows scheme.

NOTE:
I do realize that more and more PCs are giving you alternatives such as Linspire (a Windows based design on the Linux OS, and I have to say Linspire shows promise, but has a lot of bugs that need work.) and I also realize that you don't have to buy a PC or their upgrades. But what about the simple fact of just being able to want to? And in the simplest, cheapest way possible. There's no sin in that.

Linspire is one step in the right direction, and it's relatively easy for a novice Linux user to grapple with, and a Windows user (due to Linspire's setup) could wrangle it in time. But I found it to be terribly unstable. I couldn't get certain programs to load, I couldn't get music or video files to play because the codecs available were out of date and just wouldn't work.

Other versions of Linux, you have to learn how to program it in (whereas Linspire has a special download/installer program) and I don't know about you, but if you're like me...you're likely to get in over your head. Hell, I jammed the entire computer just trying to install the damned Winamp.

Another board I go to, there's a Canadian guy who refuses Microsoft products because of what they stand for, and he likes the open source ideas behind Linux, but even he said he'd love to have a stable version of Windows that could do all Linux does, but it doesn't exist. (Though we're getting there.) And what good is that? Sure, it's as stable as a rock, but if all it does is sit there like a rock...have you truly gained anything?

I hate Microsoft for their ridiculous practices. I hate them for their monopoly. I hate that they force you to upgrade (and you do finally have to upgrade because a lot of programs on CD or online just won't cover you anymore.)

And those are real, justifiable reasons to hate Microsoft.
Even with the few positives here and there.
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Postby Cole Regnum » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:41 pm

Autobot032 wrote:They created a monopoly and made back door deals with computer manufacturers so that Windows would be the only OS on their systems


Yeah, but would you be upset if your Xbox360 could play PS3 and PS2, Game Cube, Dreamcast and PC games? The fact of the matter is, Microsoft created an OS that runs all the programs and people feel the need to hate something. Much like they feel the need to fear God and hate the Devil, its the same thing, although I admit thats pushing it a bit.

As for XP or whatever not running on your system, Im sure there is an explaination for it, not that I am able to produce this explaination without seeing the specs of that system, but it will be hardware related and have nothing to do with Microsoft. Oh sorry yeah, its their fault that they didnt test XP on every single system configuration and every single mix of hardware in the world when it was made.

Bugs?, the upgrades are free, and they are like you or I, they are human. Do you think you could make a perfect little OS for everyone to use that has no bugs and will not need upgrading later on? I know someone who could, but his OS is only for people who ACTUALLY know what they are doing

While I respect other peoples opinions on the matter, and Autobot032 seems to have been thinking about this extensively, I still believe that microsoft is seen as a villian without any real justification.

Tweezy, you are absolutely right, people only hate microsoft because everybody else hates microsoft. I have people telling me althe time how evil microsoft is and how theyaretrying to take over the world (and while it is funny), but when I ask them to produce some proof, or a reason, an opinion even, they skulk away from the question. They think they are very smart telling me that I shouldnt be running Vista before SP2 comes out...pfft, bugs, petty inconveiniences like that dont even matter.

Autobot032 wrote:They corner the market everywhere. They're the operating system, they're music program (WMP), they're instant messenger (Windows Live), they're now the Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, etc (Windows Live One Care), now...granted you don't have to buy all of their products, but the uninformed would automatically do it and say "Well...it's made by the same company. We need it, right?"


Oh, and I suppose you would just give it all away would you?

ont mean to offend anyone with all this so sorry if it sounds that way, but this is my opinion on THE EMPIRE, as you say
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Postby Autobot032 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:04 pm

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Cole Regnum wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:They created a monopoly and made back door deals with computer manufacturers so that Windows would be the only OS on their systems


Yeah, but would you be upset if your Xbox360 could play PS3 and PS2, Game Cube, Dreamcast and PC games? The fact of the matter is, Microsoft created an OS that runs all the programs and people feel the need to hate something. Much like they feel the need to fear God and hate the Devil, its the same thing, although I admit thats pushing it a bit.

As for XP or whatever not running on your system, Im sure there is an explaination for it, not that I am able to produce this explaination without seeing the specs of that system, but it will be hardware related and have nothing to do with Microsoft. Oh sorry yeah, its their fault that they didnt test XP on every single system configuration and every single mix of hardware in the world when it was made.

Bugs?, the upgrades are free, and they are like you or I, they are human. Do you think you could make a perfect little OS for everyone to use that has no bugs and will not need upgrading later on? I know someone who could, but his OS is only for people who ACTUALLY know what they are doing

While I respect other peoples opinions on the matter, and Autobot032 seems to have been thinking about this extensively, I still believe that microsoft is seen as a villian without any real justification.

Tweezy, you are absolutely right, people only hate microsoft because everybody else hates microsoft. I have people telling me althe time how evil microsoft is and how theyaretrying to take over the world (and while it is funny), but when I ask them to produce some proof, or a reason, an opinion even, they skulk away from the question. They think they are very smart telling me that I shouldnt be running Vista before SP2 comes out...pfft, bugs, petty inconveiniences like that dont even matter.

Autobot032 wrote:They corner the market everywhere. They're the operating system, they're music program (WMP), they're instant messenger (Windows Live), they're now the Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, etc (Windows Live One Care), now...granted you don't have to buy all of their products, but the uninformed would automatically do it and say "Well...it's made by the same company. We need it, right?"


Oh, and I suppose you would just give it all away would you?

ont mean to offend anyone with all this so sorry if it sounds that way, but this is my opinion on THE EMPIRE, as you say


No, it's your opinion on my opinion. We were asked why we hate Microsoft and I answered it, in depth. No I didn't think about it, I typed out what I remembered and what I read. No thinking required.

You just came here to critique my post because you're a Microsoft fanboy and you won't let anyone tear apart your precious Microsoft, but you didn't counter any other part of my post, because you couldn't.

You added nothing but to the conversation, and your little disclaimer at the bottom isn't enough to counter all of your post.

You meant to be offensive and you succeeded.
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Postby Tweezy » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:50 am

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Cole Regnum wrote:Tweezy, you are absolutely right, people only hate microsoft because everybody else hates microsoft.

I only said people hate vista because it's popular to hate vista! the thing is that people are so unwilling to give it a chance just because they read some bad reviews about the beta! and the mindset has become "if the beta is bad then the final version must be even worse!"

Autobot032 wrote:They corner the market everywhere. They're the operating system, they're music program (WMP), they're instant messenger (Windows Live), they're now the Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, etc (Windows Live One Care), now...granted you don't have to buy all of their products, but the uninformed would automatically do it and say "Well...it's made by the same company. We need it, right?"


what's wrong with wanting to diversify your services, right now you can download windows defender for free! "microsoft's anti-virus" and it works prety damn good if I do say so myself! and as for the un-informed populace, apple does the same thing in their adverts! they pick on the PC character to make him seem like an insignificant worm, and the un informed person goes WOW if PC guy is realy this pathetic maybe I should buy a MAC. It sickens me!
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Postby Autobot032 » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:36 am

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Cole Regnum wrote:Tweezy, you are absolutely right, people only hate microsoft because everybody else hates microsoft.

I only said people hate vista because it's popular to hate vista! the thing is that people are so unwilling to give it a chance just because they read some bad reviews about the beta! and the mindset has become "if the beta is bad then the final version must be even worse!"

Autobot032 wrote:They corner the market everywhere. They're the operating system, they're music program (WMP), they're instant messenger (Windows Live), they're now the Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, etc (Windows Live One Care), now...granted you don't have to buy all of their products, but the uninformed would automatically do it and say "Well...it's made by the same company. We need it, right?"


what's wrong with wanting to diversify your services, right now you can download windows defender for free! "microsoft's anti-virus" and it works prety damn good if I do say so myself! and as for the un-informed populace, apple does the same thing in their adverts! they pick on the PC character to make him seem like an insignificant worm, and the un informed person goes WOW if PC guy is realy this pathetic maybe I should buy a MAC. It sickens me!


Look. I own a Dell Dimension with XP Professional SP2. XP is literally my favorite OS of all time. Even with that, I know the facts and I've seen the practices. There are parts about Microsoft I do hate (unimportant things, such as Activation, a real pain in the butt) and I'm just not the fanboy that people require. Last I checked, this is still allowed.

And my complaints about Vista aren't from Beta versions. It's from hand on experience. I've tried three floor displays at Wal-Mart, and I went through all the folders, changed the scheme to Windows Classic, etc. It was nothing special that XP couldn't do. My cousin bought a brand new Dell, and because Vista is refusing to work with the system, it boots 50% of the way, then shuts down on it's own. You click it again, it then shuts down on it's own. Takes three times before it will fully boot for her. She called Dell and the Tech said "Well Vista's bugs aren't worked out yet. You're not the only one with problems. Take it up with Microsoft."

Don't speak for me when you don't know all of what I've been through in the experiences. Would you like it if I did that for you? No, of course not. Don't do it again.

And of course Apple is going to fight the power that is Microsoft. Jobs and Gates built the design together, Gates swiped it and built Windows upon it. He ended up becoming the richest man in the world. He's now the number two richest, but for close to a decade he was number one. Jobs has every right to be really, really P.O.ed not to mention, no one buys an Apple, so they had to convert their iPod technology so it would accommodate USB, etc. They're having to compromise to make it in the same market with their biggest (and most personal) rival. I don't think it's entirely fair. If they were both running neck and neck business wise, then I'd be fine with the both of them making bigger, better, faster, stronger. And no I don't agree with Apple's smear campaign, but I understand the reasoning behind it. Still, their biggest problem is they make a PC with specs that a Windows based unit had last year or the year before that. And Apple wants double what a Microsoft PC runs for, for less inside.

I see both sides of the issue, I don't agree with either tactic, but this is the way things are.

If more Linux OSs became available to the public, were far more stable, and more accessible so everyone could use it, you'd see a HUGE dent in the Apple/Microsoft sales.

We the people have to make this happen, corporate America won't do it for us.
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Postby Shadowman » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:09 pm

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Autobot032 wrote:And my complaints about Vista aren't from Beta versions. It's from hand on experience. I've tried three floor displays at Wal-Mart, and I went through all the folders, changed the scheme to Windows Classic, etc. It was nothing special that XP couldn't do. My cousin bought a brand new Dell, and because Vista is refusing to work with the system, it boots 50% of the way, then shuts down on it's own. You click it again, it then shuts down on it's own. Takes three times before it will fully boot for her. She called Dell and the Tech said "Well Vista's bugs aren't worked out yet. You're not the only one with problems. Take it up with Microsoft."


So...a Wal-Mart display, and someone's laptop? That's it?

Wal-Mart PC displays are known to be poopy, never take what they show at face value. (One showed Vista using up about 17% of it's CPU on average, Vista uses about 5% on my PC)

And one laptop does not speak for the world. Vista doesn't do that for me. It's probably something to do with the hardware.
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Postby Cole Regnum » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:49 pm

Im no microsoft fanboy, I find things to dislike about it just like anyone, its to simple and it baby's the user around for instance, but I dont critisize over details like bugs. No, I dont want to be offensive thank you, I apoligise for that if you were offended and alot of your points were valid, but insignificant details like bugs and compatibility are no reason to critisize Vista and other OS's.

And BTW, gates only kept up as the richest man for so long because other people gave him money because they didnt want the title....too much publicity, how would you like people begging you for money or getting pied in the face (he he he) or people talking about how evil and vindictive you and you company are all the time just because they make alot'a money.

Autobot032 wrote:...Vista is refusing to work with the system, it boots 50% of the way, then shuts down on it's own. You click it again, it then shuts down on it's own. Takes three times before it will fully boot for her...


Any specs on that system?, I worked on a PC that was doing something similar that was running Vista. I admit that the bugs can be annoying but that sounds more like a hardware issue to me.
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Postby Devastator » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:29 am

I saw Microsoft cut open a homeless man's head and scoop his brain out with a melon baller. They replaced it with a mixture of cottage cheese and dirty socks. Then they poored gasoline on him and lit him on fire.

What really upset me was that Microsoft's zipper was down the whole time! Someone could have seen its junk! I can only forgive so much.
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