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Insurgent wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Insurgent wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:And like I said Brawl had his arm decapated and showed no pain.

Brawl's pure Hardcore. Like humans who can lie on a bed of nails and show no pain. I bet if you did that, you would show pain. Different tf's just have different pain thresholds, that's all. Some can take a bigger beating before feeling pain than others.

I don't see how a bed of nails would be all that painful. I mean, if you were putting all your body weight onto 1 nail...yeah, that'd hurt like hell, but when you're on a bed your body weight would be distributed over all of the nails, so not hardly any pressure would be on any one nail.

In theory. Bet it would still knack though. Unless you have a higher pain threshold. Which was the point I was trying to make. Perhaps I should have said

Some people just have a higher pain threshold. I bet if I cut your arm off, you would show pain, but cut off the arm of someone with an extremely high pain threshold, and they wouldnt even wince.

But I don't actually know if anyone is that hardcore, so I went for the bed of nails option instead.

The bed of nails thing makes sense, i dont think that tricksters that do that really feel much pain because there are so many nails and the weight is evenly distributed accross them. Have them lay on one nail though and it'll go right through them and THAT will hurt.

But as insurgent stated some people have higher pain thresh holds than others, so the same can be said about the robots. And anyway who is to say they feel pain the same way we do? It might be totally different for them, but they DO FEEL pain in some form or another.

Abilor wrote:

Sonray wrote:
Because he was in battle trying to save his freinds, what do you want him to do shrivel up into a ball and cry oil?

Transformers have always felt pain, watch the very first episode of G1 and they even explain it in there.

Just re-watched this, and don't remember. Will check it out

"Intelligent robots that could think and feel"

though that could be concerning their emotional capabilities.

Sonray wrote:

Insurgent wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Insurgent wrote:

Swipestreaker wrote:And like I said Brawl had his arm decapated and showed no pain.

Brawl's pure Hardcore. Like humans who can lie on a bed of nails and show no pain. I bet if you did that, you would show pain. Different tf's just have different pain thresholds, that's all. Some can take a bigger beating before feeling pain than others.

I don't see how a bed of nails would be all that painful. I mean, if you were putting all your body weight onto 1 nail...yeah, that'd hurt like hell, but when you're on a bed your body weight would be distributed over all of the nails, so not hardly any pressure would be on any one nail.

In theory. Bet it would still knack though. Unless you have a higher pain threshold. Which was the point I was trying to make. Perhaps I should have said

Some people just have a higher pain threshold. I bet if I cut your arm off, you would show pain, but cut off the arm of someone with an extremely high pain threshold, and they wouldnt even wince.

But I don't actually know if anyone is that hardcore, so I went for the bed of nails option instead.

The bed of nails thing makes sense, i dont think that tricksters that do that really feel much pain because there are so many nails and the weight is evenly distributed accross them. Have them lay on one nail though and it'll go right through them and THAT will hurt.

But as insurgent stated some people have higher pain thresh holds than others, so the same can be said about the robots. And anyway who is to say they feel pain the same way we do? It might be totally different for them, but they DO FEEL pain in some form or another.

All feeling pain, in a physical sense, is is your body letting your concience(sp?) be aware via unpleasant feedback that something is wrong & needs to be corrected, because if the problem persists something worse could follow. a standard PC can essentially do the same thing if it has any sort of diagnostic program installed on it, so if in no other way than just running diagnostics on themselves when something gets ripped off or blown up, yeah, they could feel pain. I know this is kind of an simplistic way to look at pain, but eh, I see what I see.

Actually, on the microscopic level, all pain is is a simple electrical ion signal. Those can easily be duplicated by simply initiating an avoidance order when that stimulus is encounted, much in the same way we pull our hands away from something that's too hot and then know better not to touch it again. In a complex robotic organism like Cybertronians, the program could easily be mimicked: all they would get is an order to their processor that whatever just happened was bad and shouldn't be repeated.

If Jazz comes back in TF2, it will be in a flashback.

Quaternion wrote:If Jazz comes back in TF2, it will be in a flashback.

Hopefully.

Homeboy is dead people! Deal with it! If he comes back, i'll be somewhat pleased but also a little disappointed as it will lose the film some credibility.

Lets hope they wont recycle old characters and just use new ones.

Sonray wrote:Homeboy is dead people! Deal with it!

I've been saying that about Elvis for years and no one listens to me...:-/

Sonray wrote:

Quaternion wrote:If Jazz comes back in TF2, it will be in a flashback.

Hopefully.

Homeboy is dead people! Deal with it! If he comes back, i'll be somewhat pleased but also a little disappointed as it will lose the film some credibility.

Lets hope they wont recycle old characters and just use new ones.

They'll probably bring him back as a Jin repaint just for Sonray.

That was a total JOKE man, don't get mad. lol.

And I'd imagine the TF's would have sensors that let them know something is wrong ala Terminator 2, or feel pain.

DOH!

Double post.

First Gen wrote:DOH!

Double post.

*points* HAR HAR!

:p

Sonray wrote:

First Gen wrote:DOH!

Double post.

*points* HAR HAR!

:p

IF Jazz comes back, do you think he will ditch the Solstice and scan a new alt mode?

Auto Bot wrote:IF Jazz comes back, do you think he will ditch the Solstice and scan a new alt mode?

I'd say given the budget they had in the first one, they took what they could from what Chevy had, but this next time around, my guess is now that the Dreamworks/Paramount execs know what a hit the first one was they'll be throwing more money at it, & He'll mroe than likely be a Porche. IIRC, Porches are a favorite of Bay's anyway.

The question is, will Porsche allow their cars to be used in a "war" movie?

Auto Bot wrote:The question is, will Porsche allow their cars to be used in a "war" movie?

Don't see why not. I mean hell, they drove right by a Porche dealership in the first movie.

Some European car brands whine about not wanting to be involved in TF movies. Supposedly, because it is war-related. But most likely, they're pissed for not getting copyright kickbacks for using their cars in G1 era.

They thought TF will just bog down if Hasbro can't get rights from multiple brands.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:The question is, will Porsche allow their cars to be used in a "war" movie?

Don't see why not. I mean hell, they drove right by a Porche dealership in the first movie.

They don't need permission to drive by a structure like they would need permission to have a vehicle spotlighted in the movie.

Quite right.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:The question is, will Porsche allow their cars to be used in a "war" movie?

Don't see why not. I mean hell, they drove right by a Porche dealership in the first movie.

Porsche is owned by VW though. Bunch of hippies might not allow it unless Jazz hugs a tree.

~Windcharger~ wrote:

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:The question is, will Porsche allow their cars to be used in a "war" movie?

Don't see why not. I mean hell, they drove right by a Porche dealership in the first movie.

Porsche is owned by VW though. Bunch of hippies might not allow it unless Jazz hugs a tree.

Honestly, I saw the Porche thing as advertisement, much like Mikela eating at Burger King, The Mt. Dew-bot, & the guy with the 360 that got zapped by the Allspark. But despite this, Bay made a deal with GMC to supply all of their car-bots to save money.

Honestly, VW, Porche, whatever....it's a company. & no matter what their stance, any company would re-evluate that stance in a heartbeat if they thought they could make enough money off of changing it. But they would also have to consider how that re-evaluation would also affect them in the far-off future as well as the immediate benefits.

If Bay & co. went to Porche, VW, whatever, & presented a case for why they should allow their car to be the next Jazz, & how much cash they'd be raking in from the recognition, I have no doubts they'd reconsider their anti-war position. If there's one thing in this life you can count on, it's greed.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Honestly, I saw the Porche thing as advertisement, much like Mikela eating at Burger King, The Mt. Dew-bot, & the guy with the 360 that got zapped by the Allspark. But despite this, Bay made a deal with GMC to supply all of their car-bots to save money.

Honestly, VW, Porche, whatever....it's a company. & no matter what their stance, any company would re-evluate that stance in a heartbeat if they thought they could make enough money off of changing it. But they would also have to consider how that re-evaluation would also affect them in the far-off future as well as the immediate benefits.

If Bay & co. went to Porche, VW, whatever, & presented a case for why they should allow their car to be the next Jazz, & how much cash they'd be raking in from the recognition, I have no doubts they'd reconsider their anti-war position. If there's one thing in this life you can count on, it's greed.

Got to agree there.

VW/Porsche may even try to dig up some old accounts with Hasbro.

I loved Jazz in TF1 and if this was true great!
But also if it were to be a flash back wouldn't they just take from the orignal film?

0ptimus__Prime wrote:I loved Jazz in TF1 and if this was true great!
But also if it were to be a flash back wouldn't they just take from the orignal film?

How exactly would cartoon footage from the original film work in a flashback in the LIVE ACTION movie?

Sonray wrote:

0ptimus__Prime wrote:I loved Jazz in TF1 and if this was true great!
But also if it were to be a flash back wouldn't they just take from the orignal film?

How exactly would cartoon footage from the original film work in a flashback in the LIVE ACTION movie?

I believe he meant original as in the first live action movie.