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yeh im a fan of his g1 self being the only survivor with bumblez and cliffjumper in the first movie but to be honest his portrayle in this movie sucked a lot more than i thought it would...cool character design but a waste of time id rather see wheelie...well i wnt go that far

Burn wrote:

Bumbled wrote:But Jazz was a good character

No, he was the worst. Definitely the worst and definitely deserving of being killed off so we're never graced with his presence ever again.

The worst? WTF! Ironhide kept quoting Clint Eastwood! Ratchet had one funny scene when he first showed up. As far as action goes Ironhide and Ratchet beat the hell out of Brawl, ALONG WITH Jazz who had the coolest attack scene! And megatron ripped him apart…That was to be expected but come on he represented for the autobots the entire time. When they took bubblebee he was like man that **** ain’t right. If it was up the Jazz they would ah rush up in that government facility guns-ah-blazing to get bubble! So don’t hate on his movie made blackness (he did not act like that in the cartoon!) because it fit him! Plus you need someone like Jazz in an era where hip hop shows up in everything and damn near rules all. If Jazz doesn’t come back, bring on Nightbeat and make him Urban!

Bay said he wanted Jazz killed off becuase the car mode was too small, and he hates the Solstice i guess.

either way, i guess the original script had jazz survive, but severly damaged, and Bay called for the Death not only becuase "he hated the character, and the car" but becuase it would kill off a major good guy.


lame.. Bay always does one gay thing in every movie.

Sunstormsclone wrote:

Burn wrote:

Bumbled wrote:But Jazz was a good character

No, he was the worst. Definitely the worst and definitely deserving of being killed off so we're never graced with his presence ever again.

The worst? WTF! Ironhide kept quoting Clint Eastwood! Ratchet had one funny scene when he first showed up. As far as action goes Ironhide and Ratchet beat the hell out of Brawl, ALONG WITH Jazz who had the coolest attack scene! And megatron ripped him apart…That was to be expected but come on he represented for the autobots the entire time. When they took bubblebee he was like man that **** ain’t right. If it was up the Jazz they would ah rush up in that government facility guns-ah-blazing to get bubble! So don’t hate on his movie made blackness (he did not act like that in the cartoon!) because it fit him! Plus you need someone like Jazz in an era where hip hop shows up in everything and damn near rules all. If Jazz doesn’t come back, bring on Nightbeat and make him Urban!

here we go again....






ummmm who said Jazz was black??? just because he has a hip hop urban so to speak personality does NOT equate him to being black. being an urbanite and loving hip hop does not just stick to one ethnicity. there are millions, GLOBALLY, who are NOT black, who speak, think, walk etc just like Jazz. i'm soooo sick of people just ASSuming that he is black because of how he acted in the movie. he is a urbanite type robot. POiNT BLANK.

He'll Be Back...

they cant just kill of one of the main charictors that been in for g1 the movie, and for all i know something else to, well theoretically you can but morally it is wrong!

They can, and they did.

And killing off a lead character isn't uncommon these days. Writers were churning out boring stuff so they decided that by killing lead characters would shock audiences and touch them deeper.

ahem ... anyway. For those who think otherwise allow me once again state why Jazz is dead and not coming back.

• The piece of the AllSpark - Was pulled out so Prime could show the movie going public that it was destroyed. It's power lost and was no longer a potential threat to the universe.
• Jazz G1 deco bio - Is NOT canon. Is simply there to sell a repainted figure to those fanboys who have more money than they need so they feel it best to give to Hasbro.
• What Prime said - If he could have been fixed either he or Ratchet would have said so! But they acknowledged his death!
• He sucked - Face it, even though there wasn't much characterisation, his character most certaintly did suck. He also really served no purpose. Prime - Boss, Bumblebee - Sam's Protector, Ironhide - Big bad gun dude, Ratchet - Medic dude, Jazz - Wanker dude.

Thank you, come again.

jazz was for things that the other are needed for, so mabey spying, missions, diversions etc

dalekblaster wrote:jazz was for things that the other are needed for, so mabey spying, missions, diversions etc

Sorry, job position WAS and IS already filled by Bumblebee. Remember when Prime introduced all the bots?? They ALL had a job position cept Jazz. He was just his 1st Lieutenant. Nothing more, nothing less. Unfortunately, this version of Jazz had no real purpose.

No wonder Prime wasn't all that upset when Jazz died. Jazz wasn't vital to the team.

Out of interest, does Movie Jazz's toy box mention anything similar to him being a Special Operations Agent?

I liked Jazz a lot in the movie and i wished they'd have killed someone else, but i don't see the need to bring him back when there are so many transformers out there.
He is the only Autobot who died in the movie, it would lost impact if they bring him back, it's totally unnecessary.

He was just his 1st Lieutenant. Nothing more, nothing less. Unfortunately, this version of Jazz had no real purpose.

Well, being firt lieutenant is important imo, he's the one to give the orders when Prime isn't around or if anything happens to him, but i see your point.[/quote]

Leonardo wrote:Out of interest, does Movie Jazz's toy box mention anything similar to him being a Special Operations Agent?

i too am interested in this

G1 hoper's... get a hold of yourself...

O_o Jazz useless? Damn I'm not even an autobot fan (Go Starscream!) and I thought Jazz was the best autobot in the movie. I mean Prime bust sum heads, but come on!!! DID ANYONE ACTUALLY WATCH THE MOVIE? Who lead the attack on Brawl? JAZZ! Who had the craziest kick ass attacks? JAZZ (Yall saw that rip gun off shoulder thingy, get thrown, get back up sword slash to the Brawls legs while using shield to deflect anything thrown his way.) Plus all this talk about Ratchet and Ironhide being useful is bull. Ironhide flipped around a little cool. Ratchet had the little chainsaw thingy cool. But think about it. Ironhide talked big...but when megatron shows up he's like RETREAT. When Starscream flew over he was screaming out all in terror and **** "ITS STAAAAAARRRRSCREAM!" I mean did you guys see the horrified look on his face? Then in combat Ironhide and Ratchet went down in a 45 second scene! I mean starscream shows up, kicked ass, and flew away. Jazz's fight with Megatron lasted longer. I'm really feeling the hate here for Jazz the coolest autobot on the movie! But I admit...he shouldn't be brought back. Killing off Jazz is like killing off Ruffio in Captain Hook...I mean it just sticks with you and kinda pisses you off, but you're glad it happened. (My personal opinion Jazz should have died along with Ironhide or Ratchet because the Autobot to Decepticon death ratio is ridiculous!)

So let's see.

Jazz is the first to dive in to attack Megatron.
Ironhide tells everyone to retreat.

Remind me again who the dumbarse was that ended up dead?

Makes you wonder why he was second-in-command when he obviously had pretty poor battle tactics.

Burn wrote:So let's see.

Jazz is the first to dive in to attack Megatron.
Ironhide tells everyone to retreat.

Remind me again who the dumbarse was that ended up dead?

Makes you wonder why he was second-in-command when he obviously had pretty poor battle tactics.

I kinda noticed that too.

While Ironhide was avoiding Megatron, Jazz just went straight towards Megatron. And saying "You want a piece of me?" to Megatron wasnt exactly the smartest thing to do.

Exactly! It was like Hot Rod in the animated movie trying to stop Megatron.

Funny how both movies some stupid git jumps in trying to stop Megatron and it leads to someone ending up dieing.

And we all know how much of a mistake Hot Rod was.

Agreed. Jazz in the movie was silly. Saying " You want a piece of me" to Megatron is considered brave and cool????
I don't understand why he is a 2nd in command. He is the smallest Autobot and seems to be a ragged doll in the movie. Megatron and OP held him like a toy!

Okay this is really getting to me here. Burn I don't know how much G1 of Jazz you've ever seen, but he was one of the coolest characters in that cannon, and should not have been killed off.

Firstly you're forgetting clearly what Jazz's role was outside of first Lt. He was, most likely, communciations officer. BB was the spy, Ratchet the medic, Ironhide weapons specialist, Prime was the commanding officer, Jazz was commuications. Watch him in the movie people, really study him. He was the first one to really get an understanding of earth, and was the only one that didn't trash the yard at all. If you notice the other autobots had a hard time getting around, Jazz just hung back and stayed cool. Not only that but he was the one that voiced out that BB should be helped and not left as some experiment. He was looking out for his men, just like a good second in command would do.

We can easily see he worries about humans, as he's the one mostly trying to cover their asses when all hell breaks loose. He talks smug to be a distraction with Brawl, turning the tank away from the humans. Ditto with Megatron. He wanted to be bait! He was trying to make sure that the slower Ironhide and Ratchet got Sam where he needed to go. He knew he would have probably been faster, but he still followed orders and did what was needed to be done. If not for him, Ratchet and Ironhide would have bit it early.

Watch the game too and you'll notice that he acts as the one that distracts people, he's the scout that hound would have been. He's the guy that you rely on to run missions and get things done and keep the others in order. It's clear that the others really care about and respect him. Primes words may not have been perfect but the sentiments were at least there. He and the others really do care about Jazz, Bay just didn't do it right.

By the way, you will notice that when BB is hurt he's the one providing cover for the others to help BB. I kinda got the idea that Jazz looked at BB as a brother, or a younger brother. That's why he was the one that was the most worried. He probably trained BB himself!

By the way were are you guys getting that Bay wanted him dead? He hated the solstaice because he wanted a cooler car for Jazz. But he had to work with what he got. And it would be stuiped to think that Hasbro would want one of their best sellers Dead! Jazz is the one autobot, outside of BB that actually managed to fully embrace earth and it's culture.

Read the dang novels, it'll give you a better sense of what an awesome character they threw away.

Night Striker wrote:Burn I don't know how much G1 of Jazz you've ever seen, but he was one of the coolest characters in that cannon, and should not have been killed off.

I grew up with him thanks.

And frankly I found movie Jazz to be an insult to the name. Aside from adopting the "cool music genre of the era" style they had NOTHING else in common.

Communications officers are expendable, and the fact he acted so many times to be a distraction does not make him a memorable character. It makes him cannon fodder.

Oh sure, in the real world he might be considered brave and noble. But as far as the movie goes? Cannon fodder.

Burn wrote:They can, and they did.

And killing off a lead character isn't uncommon these days. Writers were churning out boring stuff so they decided that by killing lead characters would shock audiences and touch them deeper.

ahem ... anyway. For those who think otherwise allow me once again state why Jazz is dead and not coming back.

• The piece of the AllSpark - Was pulled out so Prime could show the movie going public that it was destroyed. It's power lost and was no longer a potential threat to the universe.
• Jazz G1 deco bio - Is NOT canon. Is simply there to sell a repainted figure to those fanboys who have more money than they need so they feel it best to give to Hasbro.
• What Prime said - If he could have been fixed either he or Ratchet would have said so! But they acknowledged his death!
• He sucked - Face it, even though there wasn't much characterisation, his character most certaintly did suck. He also really served no purpose. Prime - Boss, Bumblebee - Sam's Protector, Ironhide - Big bad gun dude, Ratchet - Medic dude, Jazz - Wanker dude.

Thank you, come again.

[b] aha but the last one, if they were gonna kill of a lead, might as well be the token blackbot! its already been done so one more time cant hurt! can it? am i **** up?

Burn wrote:So let's see.

Jazz is the first to dive in to attack Megatron.
Ironhide tells everyone to retreat.

Remind me again who the dumbarse was that ended up dead?

Makes you wonder why he was second-in-command when he obviously had pretty poor battle tactics.

Actually jazz never attack megatron. mr tron picked him out. Watch the movie again Megatron shoots Jazz first and thats how the fight begins. But come on ironhide is supposed to be a bad ass. I mean IRONHIDE hints badass if he's so badass why didn't he do much against starscream and ran from megatron like a chump. Jazz might have died but he was hard as hell. He represented to the fullest.

Burn wrote:

Night Striker wrote:Burn I don't know how much G1 of Jazz you've ever seen, but he was one of the coolest characters in that cannon, and should not have been killed off.

I grew up with him thanks.

And frankly I found movie Jazz to be an insult to the name. Aside from adopting the "cool music genre of the era" style they had NOTHING else in common.

Communications officers are expendable, and the fact he acted so many times to be a distraction does not make him a memorable character. It makes him cannon fodder.

Oh sure, in the real world he might be considered brave and noble. But as far as the movie goes? Cannon fodder.

(Raises hand) I grew up with him too... liked the new one better! (Whispers) "Somebody doesn't like urban culture -_-

Burn wrote:

Night Striker wrote:Burn I don't know how much G1 of Jazz you've ever seen, but he was one of the coolest characters in that cannon, and should not have been killed off.

I grew up with him thanks.

And frankly I found movie Jazz to be an insult to the name. Aside from adopting the "cool music genre of the era" style they had NOTHING else in common.

Communications officers are expendable, and the fact he acted so many times to be a distraction does not make him a memorable character. It makes him cannon fodder.

Oh sure, in the real world he might be considered brave and noble. But as far as the movie goes? Cannon fodder.

They only had so much room to manuiver, heck the first script had a lot more bots action then humans, which is why they wanted to change it because Bay wouldn't go for that. He wasn't cannon fodder at all.

And sorry about the seeming insult, I just got really annoyed about how people were looking down on him becuase he didn't get a lot of lines.

The sad fact is that that scene even had to be fought over to be put in by the writers with Bay and one of the producers becuase they felt it would lag the story! How the heck does it lag the story?!

Agree with Tyler here, why even kill him? We've seen several good guys die, we can assume that a lot of good bots died before, why waste time in the movie killing him! I"m glad that one note bonechrusher was offed. And Sunstormclone, thank you for pointing that out. He ran towards Megatron to keep him away from Bumblebee and the others. He was willing to do what he could to stop them. Ironhides all about, lets strike them first, well darn it then, do so. You're cannons did nothing!(regarding Ironhide and that whole wanting to show off cannons)

Night Striker wrote:They only had so much room to manuiver, heck the first script had a lot more bots action then humans, which is why they wanted to change it because Bay wouldn't go for that. He wasn't cannon fodder at all.

But you're basing that on what? The draft script? You can't do that. The draft script isn't canon.

Agree with Tyler here, why even kill him? We've seen several good guys die, we can assume that a lot of good bots died before, why waste time in the movie killing him! I"m glad that one note bonechrusher was offed. And Sunstormclone, thank you for pointing that out. He ran towards Megatron to keep him away from Bumblebee and the others. He was willing to do what he could to stop them. Ironhides all about, lets strike them first, well darn it then, do so. You're cannons did nothing!(regarding Ironhide and that whole wanting to show off cannons)

They had to demonstrate just how vicious and powerful Megatron was.

Now I may be wrong here but I seem to think you believe it should have been Ironhide taking on Megatron and that he was a coward for not doing so.

The goal of the Autobots was to protect Sam and the Cube. That's what they did. Jazz acted of his own accord, which as second-in-command was his perogative.

But why him to die? I still don't see why not. As far as characterisation relating to their vehicles Jazz just didn't fit. Everything in my opinion was wrong about him.

And for the record, if people are thinking, I do NOT subscribe to the "Jazz is the token black dude" thing. I watched Transformers to be enjoyed, not to be taken on a racism ride. It's the same Asians getting upset over the Trade Federation from Star Wars having Asian accents and thus implying Asians are shrewds and swindlers. I didn't think that until it was brought up.

People just read into movies faaaaaar too much and don't sit back enough to just enjoy them.