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Forget the affable Frasier Crane; Kelsey Grammer is embracing his inner bad guy. After his Golden Globe turn as the ruthless politician in Boss, Grammer has just landed the key villain role in Michael Bay‘s next Transformers film, which also stars Mark Wahlberg and Stanley Tucci. I’m told that Grammer will play Harold Attinger, a counter intelligence guy.
craggy wrote:are there a lot of James Bond films where he's not the main character?
how about even the GI Joe films? were they mostly about some random dude who wasn't related to the named title characters?
I've not seen many of the Fast and Furious films, but are they generally focussed on guys who are slow and sedate?
Pirates Of the Caribbean films were mostly featuring characters who were Pirates, in the Caribbean, yes?
and Mission: Impossible was about a guy (or guys) who had impossible missions to carry out.
In Avengers, one of the highest grossing films of all time, did we spend an hour and a half seeing how one plucky young SHIELD agent dealt with the arrival of the titular characters, with maybe 5 minutes of actual characterisation of those characters whom the film is named after?
I think it'd be only right for Transformers films to maybe try focussing on...wait for it, it'll shock you all: Transformers!
It's not that I don't want Evil Frasier to tell Eddy to pee on Optimus Prime's leg, or try to get him and Megatron to sit down and think about how their actions negatively affect each other's feelings, all the while trying to get rid of them because he has tickets to the opera. It's really not. It's just...it's called TRANSFORMERS...how about you treat the Transformers as characters instead of as window dressing and fuzzily focussed background effects?
Sodan-1 wrote:Seriously Superwheeljack? He played Frasier Crane in the shows Cheers, Frasier (all 200+ episodes of it) and an episode of Wings, did the voice of Sideshow Bob in The Simpsons, Stinky Pete in Toy Story 2, and was possibly the best thing about X-Men: The Last Stand where he played Hank McCoy / Beast.
craggy wrote:are there a lot of James Bond films where he's not the main character?
how about even the GI Joe films? were they mostly about some random dude who wasn't related to the named title characters?
I've not seen many of the Fast and Furious films, but are they generally focussed on guys who are slow and sedate?
Pirates Of the Caribbean films were mostly featuring characters who were Pirates, in the Caribbean, yes?
and Mission: Impossible was about a guy (or guys) who had impossible missions to carry out.
In Avengers, one of the highest grossing films of all time, did we spend an hour and a half seeing how one plucky young SHIELD agent dealt with the arrival of the titular characters, with maybe 5 minutes of actual characterization of those characters whom the film is named after?
I think it'd be only right for Transformers films to maybe try focusing on...wait for it, it'll shock you all: Transformers!
It's not that I don't want Evil Frasier to tell Eddy to pee on Optimus Prime's leg, or try to get him and Megatron to sit down and think about how their actions negatively affect each other's feelings, all the while trying to get rid of them because he has tickets to the opera. It's really not. It's just...it's called TRANSFORMERS...how about you treat the Transformers as characters instead of as window dressing and fuzzily focussed background effects?
Doubledealer93 wrote:im seeing a lot of humans and no transformers.
HUMAN ADVENTURES WITH ROBOT ALIENS SOMETIMES![]()
D-340 wrote:Can't have talk like that 'round here. What are you thinking? Only unconditional love for all things Micheal Bay when it comes to commenting on the movies.![]()
In all seriousness, I like Kelsey Grammer, I like Mark Wahlberg, good choices of human actors. But it is "Transformers", when are we gonna find out who of the titular characters are gonna be involved(besides Optimus and Bumblebee)? I know it's a whole lot to ask of Michael Bay, seeing as it's crazy to expect "Transformers" be about Transformers.
tigertracks 24 wrote:Craggy I hear you, but you can look at it like all these 'sort of' Transformers movies keep the franchise alive
Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Can't have talk like that 'round here. What are you thinking? Only unconditional love for all things Micheal Bay when it comes to commenting on the movies.![]()
Cry me a river?
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I like Kelsey Grammer. Excellent actor and a great addition to the cast.craggy wrote:are there a lot of James Bond films where he's not the main character?
how about even the GI Joe films? were they mostly about some random dude who wasn't related to the named title characters?
I've not seen many of the Fast and Furious films, but are they generally focussed on guys who are slow and sedate?
Pirates Of the Caribbean films were mostly featuring characters who were Pirates, in the Caribbean, yes?
and Mission: Impossible was about a guy (or guys) who had impossible missions to carry out.
In Avengers, one of the highest grossing films of all time, did we spend an hour and a half seeing how one plucky young SHIELD agent dealt with the arrival of the titular characters, with maybe 5 minutes of actual characterisation of those characters whom the film is named after?
I think it'd be only right for Transformers films to maybe try focussing on...wait for it, it'll shock you all: Transformers!
It's not that I don't want Evil Frasier to tell Eddy to pee on Optimus Prime's leg, or try to get him and Megatron to sit down and think about how their actions negatively affect each other's feelings, all the while trying to get rid of them because he has tickets to the opera. It's really not. It's just...it's called TRANSFORMERS...how about you treat the Transformers as characters instead of as window dressing and fuzzily focussed background effects?
Chill out. If you wanted to do a rant like this you should have done it for the first movie.
D-340 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Can't have talk like that 'round here. What are you thinking? Only unconditional love for all things Micheal Bay when it comes to commenting on the movies.![]()
Cry me a river?
Ugh, really? Can't even crack a joke around here without gettin' all the movie fanboys all riled up and their underwear in twist.![]()
Get a sense of humor.
maybe I did, I can't remember. Of course, I might have simply waited to see what the first movie was going to be like, rather than jumping to conclusions. Now, with 3 fairly terrible films to use as evidence, I think we've all got at least a basic idea of what to expect.
Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Can't have talk like that 'round here. What are you thinking? Only unconditional love for all things Micheal Bay when it comes to commenting on the movies.![]()
Cry me a river?
Ugh, really? Can't even crack a joke around here without gettin' all the movie fanboys all riled up and their underwear in twist.![]()
Get a sense of humor.
No my sense of humor is perfectly fine. I just enjoy how you throw yourself on the ground kicking, screaming, and crying over how people like something you don't. It amuses me.
D-340 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Can't have talk like that 'round here. What are you thinking? Only unconditional love for all things Micheal Bay when it comes to commenting on the movies.![]()
Cry me a river?
Ugh, really? Can't even crack a joke around here without gettin' all the movie fanboys all riled up and their underwear in twist.![]()
Get a sense of humor.
No my sense of humor is perfectly fine. I just enjoy how you throw yourself on the ground kicking, screaming, and crying over how people like something you don't. It amuses me.
Yeah, that's actually not what I'm doing at all
D-340 wrote:Quit deluding yourself, if you wanna settle for schlock, settle for it. But know, you don't have to, you choose to.
Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:D-340 wrote:Can't have talk like that 'round here. What are you thinking? Only unconditional love for all things Micheal Bay when it comes to commenting on the movies.![]()
Cry me a river?
Ugh, really? Can't even crack a joke around here without gettin' all the movie fanboys all riled up and their underwear in twist.![]()
Get a sense of humor.
No my sense of humor is perfectly fine. I just enjoy how you throw yourself on the ground kicking, screaming, and crying over how people like something you don't. It amuses me.maybe I did, I can't remember. Of course, I might have simply waited to see what the first movie was going to be like, rather than jumping to conclusions. Now, with 3 fairly terrible films to use as evidence, I think we've all got at least a basic idea of what to expect.
Terrible for you maybe. However that is not an objective fact.
Capt.Failure wrote:That sounds like saying that people only enjoy the films because they're delusional.
craggy wrote:"Why aren't the Transformers the stars of the Transformers films?"
Capt.Failure wrote:craggy wrote:"Why aren't the Transformers the stars of the Transformers films?"
Except they are. It's not a valid question. You might have had a point with the first film since it takes them awhile to show up, but that was the mistake of the writers creating what is more akin to an origin story for a superhero film. Even I admit that doesn't translate well to Transformers. Of course the first film was also the overall weakest of the three.
Trying to ask that question about the latter two films though? HA! Don't make me laugh. The Transformers were in the film from beginning to end. The presence of a developed main human character that's more than a tag along kid doesn't detract from that. Human protagonists have been in Transformers since Generation One. It was a good thing they actually did something this time around.
There are other reasons why humans would get equal focus to the Transformers in a live action film, but considering this fandom's general ignorance and denial concerning the filmmaking process I won't bother to list them. I cannot teach people who don't want to be taught.
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