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Capt.Failure wrote:Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."
Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.
Hotrodimust wrote:so please don't say true fans are the real joke.
MINDVVIPE wrote:The other cybertrons haven't been a redesign, they have generally been planets that are just one big city, with large metal flatter parts, buildings, lots of highways and pathways, lights, and depths.
MINDVVIPE wrote:I don't like this Cybertron coz its boring and a DOWNGRADE from the good stuff already established.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Basically, there is no such thing as a "true fan".Shadowman wrote:Hotrodimust wrote:so please don't say true fans are the real joke.
The concept of a "true fan" is a real joke. Calling oneself a "true fan" implies that you're better than other fans, or that there are people who are "false fans." It has as lot more impact here, we dealt with the term a lot around '07. "True fan" was meant as "I'm right, and if you disagree, you obviously aren't a true fan."
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
MINDVVIPE wrote:but THIS design is definitely different to the majority of the older ones.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Hotrodimust wrote:so please don't say true fans are the real joke.
The concept of a "true fan" is a real joke. Calling oneself a "true fan" implies that you're better than other fans, or that there are people who are "false fans." It has as lot more impact here, we dealt with the term a lot around '07. "True fan" was meant as "I'm right, and if you disagree, you obviously aren't a true fan."
Shadowman wrote:BeastProwl wrote:Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.
We never really saw Cybertron in the first movie, just that bit of promotional material.
No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.
Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
He means we never a full look at the planet's globe from outer space in the movie. Specifically, the first movie never showed us this:Bouncy X wrote:Shadowman wrote:BeastProwl wrote:Funny thing is, Cybertron looked different in the first film.
We never really saw Cybertron in the first movie, just that bit of promotional material.
we actually get a really detailed look in the first movie during Prime's little holographic "light show" to the kids.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Hotrodimust wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:I guess I forgot we were talking about the movie Cybertron. Who even cares, the movies are a joke. The only Cybertron that matters to me is the one seen in WFC, the comics, G1, pretty much anything but the movies. But ya, since they are so overly buglike in the movies, the hive can work, even though I still think it reaks of uncreativity.
Let me simplify this statement: "The only Cybertron that matters is the multitude of various redesigns from the series that I like as part of my No True Scottsman view of the series, since the parts of it I don't like aren't TRUE Transformers shows."
Pardon me while I laugh at you. True Fans are the real joke here, not the movies.
That's ugly I'm a true fan I I enjoyed the movies for just the movie aspect as far as looks I can care less about the movie characters and design. I like and love the g1 comics and WFC looks oh and prime it's not bit at all. But I also don't bash everything that is not g1 comic and WFC like some of the hard core g1 fans I love everything TFs some just less than others so please don't say true fans are the real joke. It's really the people that just can't let go and move on lol
Sabrblade wrote:No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.
Dude, there are several fans who did not watch Transformers cartoon as children and instead become fans as teens or adults.
And there are even those fans who do NOT know the TF history as they are only "casual fans" rather than "die-hard fans", yet they are still "fans" nonetheless.
Sabrblade wrote:No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.
Dude, there are several fans who did not watch Transformers cartoon as children and instead become fans as teens or adults.
And there are even those fans who do NOT know the TF history as they are only "casual fans" rather than "die-hard fans", yet they are still "fans" nonetheless.
Hotrodimust wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No, that's just a "fan", not a "true fan". A "true fan" is something so contrversial that it's best that it doesn't exist. No one should ever be a "true fan".Hotrodimust wrote:No I consider a true fan to enjoy and give a chance to anything that has the transformer label on it.Wait, what? You're saying that fans are only those who watched the shows as kids and/or know the TF history?Hotrodimust wrote:And a true fan knows the TFs history and watched one of the shows when he or she was a kid and didn't jump on board when the movies came out unless you were a kid when the started.
Dude, there are several fans who did not watch Transformers cartoon as children and instead become fans as teens or adults.
And there are even those fans who do NOT know the TF history as they are only "casual fans" rather than "die-hard fans", yet they are still "fans" nonetheless.
So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan
Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.
No one said that. What I was saying is that the movies suck, and so its no surprise to me that their idea of Cybertron sucks, as it seems like a downgrade, just like a bunch of other aspects of the movie.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Capt.Failure wrote: To try and say it doesn't count as legitimate because it's from the movies is the height of fallacious logic.
No one said that. What I was saying is that the movies suck, and so its no surprise to me that their idea of Cybertron sucks, as it seems like a downgrade, just like a bunch of other aspects of the movie in my opinion.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Brav-o
Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.
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Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.
Capt.Failure wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Brav-o
Its funny coz I even commented about what you just did a few posts back.
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Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.
That's different. A "die-hard fan" is a fan who feels the need to really invest him/herself in their his/her interest, wanting to know more and more about it so he/she can experience as much as possible. Whereas a "casual fan" is a fan who does not feel this need and that it perfectly acceptable.Hotrodimust wrote:So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:That's different. A "die-hard fan" is a fan who feels the need to really invest him/herself in their his/her interest, wanting to know more and more about it so he/she can experience as much as possible. Whereas a "casual fan" is a fan who does not feel this need and that it perfectly acceptable.Hotrodimust wrote:So but you are using the term die hard fan saying u are more of a fan than a casual fan sounds like just another way to say true fan bro u argue until u can feel like ur right at everything that is said have a nice night get over it true fan
A "true fan", like shadowman said, invokes a connotation of superiority in which one fan who considers him/herself a "true fan" condemns anyone whom he/she deems unworthy of being a fan.
"Die-hard fans" and "casual fans" are just as much fans as each other. The only difference between each is how invested in the interest each is. A casual fan can be someone who only watches the current cartoon (rather than all of them), or only collect the few toys they like (rather than as many as possible), or whatever else. Doesn't make them any less fans. While a die-hard fan may try to see and own everything. But both are still fans. Just different kinds of fans.
I'm not calling YOU a "true fan", I'm just describing what one is. You strike me as a "fan", or even a "die-hard fan", which is perfectly fine.Hotrodimust wrote:How does that make sense I don't think I'm better than anyone lol WOW no people are telling me what I think of my self doesn't get better than this. So I'm just gonna say I'm a die hard fan so no one thinks that I think that I'm better than everyone else. GOD I wish I was a gobot fan they don't have these problems. BEING TOLD WHAT YOU THINK (TRANSFOMER FAN PROBLEMS) lets see who gets that
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I'm not calling YOU a "true fan", I'm just describing what one is. You strike me as a "fan", or even a "die-hard fan", which is perfectly fine.Hotrodimust wrote:How does that make sense I don't think I'm better than anyone lol WOW no people are telling me what I think of my self doesn't get better than this. So I'm just gonna say I'm a die hard fan so no one thinks that I think that I'm better than everyone else. GOD I wish I was a gobot fan they don't have these problems. BEING TOLD WHAT YOU THINK (TRANSFOMER FAN PROBLEMS) lets see who gets that
MINDVVIPE wrote:Hey, in my opinion, I don't consider that my opinion, its a fact.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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