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Dead Metal wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Just look at the chrome (or lack of it) on the upper arms, end of the gun, tip of the larger gun, and the back part that would cover the head.

Just like on the original Lucky Draw.

Is it? The photo I checked didn't show that. I mean the gun especially, with the reddish plastic seems inauthentic to me.

Edit: I guess I was looking at a pic of another KO LD Convoy. But compared the to real deal that plastic is extremely red. Heck, even just on it's own it looks like parts of Prime got sunburned.

http://tformers.com/transformers-/12878/news.html

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Just look at the chrome (or lack of it) on the upper arms, end of the gun, tip of the larger gun, and the back part that would cover the head.

Just like on the original Lucky Draw.

Is it? The photo I checked didn't show that. I mean the gun especially, with the reddish plastic seems inauthentic to me.

Edit: I guess I was looking at a pic of another KO LD Convoy. But compared the to real deal that plastic is extremely red. Heck, even just on it's own it looks like parts of Prime got sunburned.

http://tformers.com/transformers-/12878/news.html

I think it's the lighting, or this will be the only way to tell if it's this KO or the original which can make a difference of about $1940. But I think it's the lighting. With the KO pics being pretty close to the in person-experience as it's extremely close to the real deal, which I got to see at last years AA.

Anyway this I want, I have a hard on for this mold and shiny things. And by 60 this is cheaper than what I had to pay for my floppy Classics UM.

Dangit! I couldn't resist.... I had to order one... it's just so shiney!!!


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Thanks, but no thanks. A blinged-up Prime doesn't interest me. Especially a KO version.

Seibertron wrote:

If I had it my way, there would be ZERO official site news about knock offs and unofficial products.

I so agree with you.

Here is Pics of the Real One if anyone is hunting.

Looks like the non-gold plated parts on the Lucky Draw are more Gold than the KO which is more Bronze... I can live with that LOL



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Out of curiosity ...

Is this more acceptible to people than the mini MP Prime? Not noticing th ebacklash here against this that's in the Mini Me thread.

I personally don't have a problem with knockoff stuff as long as some company is up front with the fact that it is in fact a Knockoff..Not trying to pass it off as the real thing..I think that it's great that I can get a classics Nemesis Prime and Ultra Magnus for $30 bucks. Sure it's not the original but a classics UM alone for a reasonable price is like next to impossible..

Now $60 bucks for a Ko..Whoa nelly....Thing better be able to make me a grilled cheese on command....

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Out of curiosity ...

Is this more acceptible to people than the mini MP Prime? Not noticing th ebacklash here against this that's in the Mini Me thread.

Not from me. A knockoff is a knockoff.

However this is done by a company called KOtoys, so I think the expectations that it IS a knockoff has tempered some heat.

ultraconvoy wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

If I had it my way, there would be ZERO official site news about knock offs and unofficial products.

I so agree with you.

Here is Pics of the Real One if anyone is hunting.

Man, is that yours? If so, my hat's off to you!

(PS - I'll be at your house within 3 hours to stea...look at that figure!)

Yes I am the owner of the official Lucky draw Henkei Convoy and If you ever in NYC. I don't see why not but no touching besides its behind a glass case:)

That's impressive ultraconvoy! It's good to have your opinion on the situation, I'll think twice before getting something like this..

I don't waste my money on Ko's but Kotoys.com did a great job on making a ko version of my Lucky draw henkei.

I'm more into the black tfs than the gold chrome but besides the qc on the pic i can see how it would sell.

ultraconvoy wrote:Yes I am the owner of the official Lucky draw Henkei Convoy and If you ever in NYC. I don't see why not but no touching besides its behind a glass case:)

NYC is a few hours from me (I live a little outside of Philly) but for something like that it could be well worth the trip!

Could see him blinding folks on a sunny day.

If they are using official toy and repaint it, well i think we can just consider it is a custom toy.

However, in china, KO version of the toy is also available.

So it depends on which mold they are using.

If it is chinese KO toys to repaint, then it deserve the "KO" title....

For what it's worth, there's a review of this KO Lucky Draw at TFW's Feedback forum.

There's significant chrome wear and scratching, and one of the arm parts even broke off.

Here's pics of the buyer's chromed KO:








The KOToys guy wound up getting kicked out of TFW when he went postal over the review.

LiKwid wrote:Kind of pricey..Any good words about Kotoys? I have never ordered from them... Do they do good business?

well we have been doing it for over 2 years and KOtoys is reaching its first year marker soon, so it cant be that bad

But yea, those shouldnt be chilled and scratched like that, they are bad. So the factory is making another 250, all orders shipped out so far will have a great condition replacement sent out, and all other orders are being postpond to ship in roughly 1 week to 10 days.

Hope that helps, you can always email me directly or get me on msn

Yeah, hope the new batch is okay, waiting to order now
What bugs me is that KOLD use the same mold as KO OP/UM/NP and mine were very sturdy, how could his broke off like that

kotoys wrote:

LiKwid wrote:Kind of pricey..Any good words about Kotoys? I have never ordered from them... Do they do good business?

well we have been doing it for over 2 years and KOtoys is reaching its first year marker soon, so it cant be that bad

But yea, those shouldnt be chilled and scratched like that, they are bad. So the factory is making another 250, all orders shipped out so far will have a great condition replacement sent out, and all other orders are being postpond to ship in roughly 1 week to 10 days.

Hope that helps, you can always email me directly or get me on msn

Hope the replacements do turn out better. So long's it's not a matter of life and death, people tend to be forgiving if a product is late, as long as the quality's good.

Problem though is, judging by how you reacted on that feedback thread, why should we consider buying from you? The guy who bought your KOLD was a regular customer of yours, and you threatened to not help him out.

Nice to see that Kotoys are listening and making an effort to do right by the fan.

Take your personal conversations to PM.

They won't be allowed here and we're going to keep this thread civil-like.

Seibertron wrote:...though unofficial items like City Commander or the Cobra Headmaster are ok ... and they're only OK because everyone seems on board with them, which I personally think is unfortunate.
... Hasbro has put us in a tough spot regarding these types of products because they haven't come down with a heavy hand to put a stop to things like this.

You consider the City Commander is a KO? The Devastators and Superions they're currently selling in Easter baskets at the Family Dollar? Sure. But something completely designed and engineered by third party isn't the same as a knock off that just straight copies Has/Tak's work. That's actually my problem with the iGear Mini MP Convoy. I doubt they reverse engineered one and built their own following the design. It's far more likely the used the mold shrink method and tinkered with the details to make them visable in the smaller scale. Either way, dirty pool (as Gomez Addams would say.) Some third party products even have been used as exclusives of official Hasbro conventions. First the Unicron.com Vector Sigma with Key from Botcon 2007 and then the TFCon Diaclone Powered Commander in early 2009.

I just don't think the issue is so black and white anymore. That said, there are still the blindingly obvious KO's, like this one and ones like it, but is the FP Warbot a knock off Springer? The Knightmorpher (HoS Optimus) a KO or the Mastercollectables Nova Prime. Far more design and engineering went into the 200 plus piece Nova Prime than anything Has/Tak has done. And Hal's ARC Arcee model has even been recognized as his IP by Hasbro! If Hasbro legally recognized a third party creation as their IP, the only thing keeping them off of store shelves is funding which a couple of these companies may actually be able to secure. On City Commander and other third party products, Hasbro has far more to lose by having them legally recognized.

On third party products, silence is the best legal strategy Hasbro can take.

TFCon isn't an official Hasbro convention.

But I do agree that some items from third parties aren't really so cut and dried as KO. Those City Commander add-ons would fit more with those custom parts you put on a car.

Being unofficial =/= knockoff, otherwise we may as well call all products not officially recognized by HasTak as knockoff, like TFCon.