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Considering that the Mirage/Prowl, Megatron/Megaplex, and Stalker molds actually bear visual resemblances to Mirage, Megatron, and Soundwave, respectively, in those cases, I doubt it.buddhaquest wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which mold do you see Hot Rod in?buddhaquest wrote:Everytime I look at the Machine Wars figures, I see what should have been-
Ultra Magnus, Springer, Hot Rod, Blurr, Kup, Wreck-Gar
Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, 3 Sweeps
*each with G1 color schemes
Optimus Prime - Ultra Magnus
Sandstorm - Springer
Hot Rod/Blurr - Mirage/Prowl
Hubcap/Hoist - Kup/Wreck-Gar
Soundwave - Galvatron
Starscream - Cyclonus
Megatron/Megaplex - Scourge
Skywarp/Thundercracker - (3)Sweeps
Anyway, I've always been curious if these would have sold a little better if they had been these characters.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Considering that the Mirage/Prowl, Megatron/Megaplex, and Stalker molds actually bear visual resemblances to Mirage, Megatron, and Soundwave, respectively, in those cases, I doubt it.buddhaquest wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which mold do you see Hot Rod in?buddhaquest wrote:Everytime I look at the Machine Wars figures, I see what should have been-
Ultra Magnus, Springer, Hot Rod, Blurr, Kup, Wreck-Gar
Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, 3 Sweeps
*each with G1 color schemes
Optimus Prime - Ultra Magnus
Sandstorm - Springer
Hot Rod/Blurr - Mirage/Prowl
Hubcap/Hoist - Kup/Wreck-Gar
Soundwave - Galvatron
Starscream - Cyclonus
Megatron/Megaplex - Scourge
Skywarp/Thundercracker - (3)Sweeps
Anyway, I've always been curious if these would have sold a little better if they had been these characters.
Sabrblade wrote:Considering that the Mirage/Prowl, Megatron/Megaplex, and Stalker molds actually bear visual resemblances to Mirage, Megatron, and Soundwave, respectively, in those cases, I doubt it.buddhaquest wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which mold do you see Hot Rod in?buddhaquest wrote:Everytime I look at the Machine Wars figures, I see what should have been-
Ultra Magnus, Springer, Hot Rod, Blurr, Kup, Wreck-Gar
Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, 3 Sweeps
*each with G1 color schemes
Optimus Prime - Ultra Magnus
Sandstorm - Springer
Hot Rod/Blurr - Mirage/Prowl
Hubcap/Hoist - Kup/Wreck-Gar
Soundwave - Galvatron
Starscream - Cyclonus
Megatron/Megaplex - Scourge
Skywarp/Thundercracker - (3)Sweeps
Anyway, I've always been curious if these would have sold a little better if they had been these characters.
Hence my specific use of what's in bold.buddhaquest wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Considering that the Mirage/Prowl, Megatron/Megaplex, and Stalker molds actually bear visual resemblances to Mirage, Megatron, and Soundwave, respectively, in those cases, I doubt it.buddhaquest wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which mold do you see Hot Rod in?buddhaquest wrote:Everytime I look at the Machine Wars figures, I see what should have been-
Ultra Magnus, Springer, Hot Rod, Blurr, Kup, Wreck-Gar
Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, 3 Sweeps
*each with G1 color schemes
Optimus Prime - Ultra Magnus
Sandstorm - Springer
Hot Rod/Blurr - Mirage/Prowl
Hubcap/Hoist - Kup/Wreck-Gar
Soundwave - Galvatron
Starscream - Cyclonus
Megatron/Megaplex - Scourge
Skywarp/Thundercracker - (3)Sweeps
Anyway, I've always been curious if these would have sold a little better if they had been these characters.
...and the other molds look nothing like Prowl, Starscream, or Hubcap. They could have named them "Cliffjumper", "Thunderwing", and "Grimlock" and no one would have questioned it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Hence my specific use of what's in bold.buddhaquest wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Considering that the Mirage/Prowl, Megatron/Megaplex, and Stalker molds actually bear visual resemblances to Mirage, Megatron, and Soundwave, respectively, in those cases, I doubt it.buddhaquest wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which mold do you see Hot Rod in?buddhaquest wrote:Everytime I look at the Machine Wars figures, I see what should have been-
Ultra Magnus, Springer, Hot Rod, Blurr, Kup, Wreck-Gar
Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, 3 Sweeps
*each with G1 color schemes
Optimus Prime - Ultra Magnus
Sandstorm - Springer
Hot Rod/Blurr - Mirage/Prowl
Hubcap/Hoist - Kup/Wreck-Gar
Soundwave - Galvatron
Starscream - Cyclonus
Megatron/Megaplex - Scourge
Skywarp/Thundercracker - (3)Sweeps
Anyway, I've always been curious if these would have sold a little better if they had been these characters.
...and the other molds look nothing like Prowl, Starscream, or Hubcap. They could have named them "Cliffjumper", "Thunderwing", and "Grimlock" and no one would have questioned it.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:It makes me wonder if the decision to bring back Machine Wars in 2013 has to do with any decisions made by TOMY for their own revival stuff.Because if Hasbro is reviving this very obscure line, then it can mean TOMY is going to be doing something interesting when it comes to Generation 1. Hmmm...
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In all cases, unless I face some kind of financial issues, I may have to attend this year. I'll just hope it is closer to California this year.
Mkall wrote:KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:It makes me wonder if the decision to bring back Machine Wars in 2013 has to do with any decisions made by TOMY for their own revival stuff.Because if Hasbro is reviving this very obscure line, then it can mean TOMY is going to be doing something interesting when it comes to Generation 1. Hmmm...
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In all cases, unless I face some kind of financial issues, I may have to attend this year. I'll just hope it is closer to California this year.
What FunPub decides to release has nothing to do with what Hasbro is planning so I doubt this has anything to do with TakaraTomy's plans.
FunPub's only restriction is they cannot use molds that Hasbro is currently using.
KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Mkall wrote:KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:It makes me wonder if the decision to bring back Machine Wars in 2013 has to do with any decisions made by TOMY for their own revival stuff.Because if Hasbro is reviving this very obscure line, then it can mean TOMY is going to be doing something interesting when it comes to Generation 1. Hmmm...
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In all cases, unless I face some kind of financial issues, I may have to attend this year. I'll just hope it is closer to California this year.
What FunPub decides to release has nothing to do with what Hasbro is planning so I doubt this has anything to do with TakaraTomy's plans.
FunPub's only restriction is they cannot use molds that Hasbro is currently using.
Actually, it is more complicated than that. Fun Pub only has access to anything that they license from Hasbro, and any collaborations tied to TOMY. And so on. Lets just say that TOMY is technically on the top of the chain and Fun Pub is only there is a licensee.
Which leads to my speculation. You did know that 10 years prior to Machine Wars (which are primarily altered pieces based on the European Generations 2 line), Headmasters and Targetmasters debuted... Right? However, TOMY made it clear that Fortress Maximus (Encore 23) is the 25th anniversary piece for their series. Which could have caused an issue, even though Fun Pub could have done a "Generation 2" take on portions of Hasbro's line. And 2013 is also the anniversary of the Pretenders line, but it appears that TOMY may have possible plans with that as well (i.e. Generations 2013).
So what do you do when other anniversaries are popping up, and may conflict with any possible plans that either Hasbro or TOMY have in store? You take something that neither will touch and give it a proper anniversary revival. Hence the speculation.
Mkall wrote:My understanding is that Hasbro is pretty much king since they hold the license of Transformers and lead the mold design process and their relationship with TakaraTomy is that TT can do whatever they want with the molds and Hasbro uses their manufacturing facilities and gets their assistance on some of the design work. Hasbro gets first crack, then TakaraTomy or is it TomyTakara? I never remember the order off the top of my head. Hence why, except for rare circumstances, there hasn't been a unique mold to appear in Japan until after its seen release in North America, the biggest exception being the Microns accompnying the Japanese TF: Prime figures, and I have my own hypothesis on that which have no impact on this discussion at this time.
Your speculation about anniversaries I think may be grasping at straws. We're at the point now where every year is going to be an anniversary for something. 2013 is Pretenders, 2014 may be Micromasters, the 30th year for the original G1 cast, or the 10th year for Energon and so on and so forth. Every fan will hope that their preferred anniversary will somehow get special treatment over all the others.
I'm following Occam's Razor on this: There is no supporting fiction for Machine Wars and it's a small toyline that only collectors will follow which made it a perfect target for The Club to make a set around. After some back and forth, Hasbro agreed on their mold choice and away they go.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I fully accept that I could be wrong, you could be right, or we both could be way off. I just think that we as fans tend to overcomplicate things.
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