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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:55 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:The way they would have to look at it is, who was there for the matrix to choose? Imagine the out roar if windblade was chosen :lol:
Some say it should have been Megatron. :lol:

Perceptor might have been the safest option of inciting the least uproar, but where's the fun in that? :twisted:
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:19 am

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I'm about as devout an original series fan as you can get, and I've railed hard against this series as many here have, but the whole OpOp getting the Matrix, doesn't bother me in the slightest. This series has dozens of problems, but that isn't one of them. Honestly, to me, this makes about as much sense as getting angry that Optimus from the aligned continuity got turned into a train in Transformers Go! - This Prime Wars series is such a niche thing, and will (hopefully) be quickly forgotten after next week.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:43 am

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o.supreme wrote:I'm about as devout an original series fan as you can get, and I've railed hard against this series as many here have, but the whole OpOp getting the Matrix, doesn't bother me in the slightest. This series has dozens of problems, but that isn't one of them. Honestly, to me, this makes about as much sense as getting angry that Optimus from the aligned continuity got turned into a train in Transformers Go! - This Prime Wars series is such a niche thing, and will (hopefully) be quickly forgotten after next week.


It'll be remembered as that thing hasbro tried. Question is will they have another attempt with the next few toy lines (but with different staff) or just leave it. I'm all for another attempt, even in the hope that they'll have learned from this.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:18 am

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Oh I'm all for more animation, as long as Hasbro learns from its mistakes. Look at the past 34 years, what has worked, and what hasn't...don't keep making the same mistakes.

Some recommendations:

1. No Web Series
2. No CG (a traditional looking animated series or short film would be great)
3. Go BIG or go home (none of this small budget cut-rate stuff). I was completely unaware that you could pay Tatsunoko (apparently) to produce something so awful looking

I would love to see Hasbro fund a fully animated 70-80 minute film in a similar vein to Warner's DC Animated films (which come out regularly 3 per year). I mean the last one they released, Predacons Rising, was really good. Sure it was an addendum to an already concluded series, but its one of the best most enjoyable bits if TF animation to come along in quite a while.

I think "War For Cybertron" (whatever the storyline) would lend itself very well to a single animated film.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:45 pm

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I agree with that wholeheartedly, there's a market there for it.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:05 pm

o.supreme wrote:I would love to see Hasbro fund a fully animated 70-80 minute film in a similar vein to Warner's DC Animated films (which come out regularly 3 per year)


What could be interesting with animated movies is that they could really experiment, be it in artstyle, setting, characters or even continuity: some movies could be direct sequels while others could be standalone endeavors. There could be just as much room for G1 stuff (both in 'almost cartoon' continuity/style like the Devastation game and in more loosely-based-off-G1 manners like Machinima) to please the geewunners as there could be room for new continuity or revisiting older ones for the sake of fanservice like, say oh I don't know, an Animated feature film set years after the ending? Or even something as lighthearted as a Kreo comedy film. Yes I'm aware all of this is fanboy wetdream but to me the potential exist to try and do interesting and unique things without needing to commit to a full TV serie.

As for toyline: an 'animated movie' subline to Generations would do just fine if they really need to 'sell toys' with those movies. Alternatively these could be movies directly based off what's in the Generations line at the time as the idea is not inherently bad: Machinima simply misused it. Given that nowadays Generation is 50/50 classic characters and less-famous-late-G1-chumps this could very well be a chance for said chumps to make their animation debut.

The third major option and most unlikely: adapting specific arcs/stories from the Marvel (both US and UK) comics and even some IDW stuff, even if loosely. A 'Wreckers Movie' pretty much write itself, after all. Alternatively some pre-War stuff loosely based off the stories presented in Marvel, Dreamwave or IDW.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:19 pm

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^ Yes, I've stated this many times myself, but I'm 100% in agreement. There could be a variety of styles, and a ton of lore to pull form. Now I know some might not like venturing back into some series that were *complete* such as Beast Wars, but even though we know the beginning, middle, and end, there could have been other (side stories), that take place.

Just 10 random ideas, not all of which I would necessarily would be excited to see, but just throwing stuff out there, and I'd definitely support Blu Ray releases of:

1. Marvel Comics Underbase saga
2. A "Post Rebirth" continuation of the Sunbow animated series
3. A TF Movie featuring Death's Head (inspired by UK Comics)
4. A "Return of Convoy: Operation Combination" film
5. A Film set After Beast Machines
6. A Film set after season 3 of TF: Animated
7. An adaptation of DW War Within
8. A MTMTE/LL film
9. A Wreckers film
10. A Shattered Glass Film
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:25 pm

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I love those ideas, especially to see what Trans Tech would have been like if fully developed (I know they did some work on it before the plug was pulled).
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:41 pm

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Maybe instead of throwing money at well known celebrities to lend their voices for very little dialogue, they could put more money to finding some writers that can actually write dialogue.

And also come up with a fresh story and not a re-do of existing fan loved ****.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:24 pm

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Burn wrote:Maybe instead of throwing money at well known celebrities to lend their voices for very little dialogue, they could put more money to finding some writers that can actually write dialogue.
Pretty much this. They've been banking on the known names of celebrities rather than putting effort into trying to actually make the story, dialogue direction, and animation good.

It's like they want the best tasting icing they can get, but don't care about the cake itself.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

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Sabrblade wrote:Heh heh, some Geewun fanboys on Facebook are going nuts over the Munky having been the one chosen by the Matrix.

I bet the amount of salt found there could help produce a metric ton McDonald's french Fries

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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:55 am

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Regarding the discussion of movies above I don't think it's the best of ideas.

I think that movies aren't the best story telling method for franchises, I would rather just have 1 very good show.

Movies are too short for effective story telling on their own for Transformers unless there wasn't that many characters involved in the story and then what would be the point? Transformers has always had one major difference from other super hero type franchises and that's the fact that transformers isn't an individual character story but an ensemble cast one.

My personal opinion of course I just think the time and budget spent making a couple movies could go towards making an actually great transformers tv show.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:20 am

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DC at one point managed both and I think hasbro could as well, especially if they wanted the TV fare to be for younger audiences whole the movies could skrew older. Thank you for your input though, dissenting opinion is good for debate :-)
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:28 am

Sabrblade wrote:Heh heh, some Geewun fanboys on Facebook are going nuts over the Munky having been the one chosen by the Matrix.


Man, it's been twenty years since Beast Wars and I'd wager (based on my own biased self-reflection) that the majority of Beast Wars fan just ended up 'assimilating' into the greater Transformers collective and/or even becoming some form of G1 fan in some shape or form. And yet, meanwhile, there are still people raving and screaming how Beast Wars is an abomination. Some people never change, don't they? What would they have wanted, Hasbro declaring Windblade the new Prime instead and telling us to all shut up and be 'progressive' about it? ;)

'Cuz that would have ended well, given she wasn't even on the fan vote to begin with. Now obviously the Primal featured in the PotP cartoon is **** and utterly bland compared to his original Beast Wars self who, imo, would have had a better shot at being chosen by the Matrix....especially given that the damn thing chose Hot Rod back in the day. At least Optimus Primal (pre-Beast Machine) was more the stuff heroes are made of even if he began as a complete nobody.

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Sabrblade wrote:Heh heh, some Geewun fanboys on Facebook are going nuts over the Munky having been the one chosen by the Matrix.

Because "Geewun fanboys" isn't a condescending label either. >:oP


'Geewun' has very specific connotations and does represent a very real phenomena within the fanbase: puritanism for the nostalgic heyday of the '80 Sunboy cartoon (I mean, do you ever see raging Marvel Comics fanboys?) and holding it as the 'One true' and 'pure' incarnation of Transformers fiction. As long as one ignore The Movie and Season 3, that is.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:38 pm

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I'm well aware of what "Geewun" is, as someone who grew up in the 80's and has been a fan "from the beginning" I take exception to being lumped in with those who Sabreblade was pointing out.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:40 pm

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Burn wrote:I'm well aware of what "Geewun" is, as someone who grew up in the 80's and has been a fan "from the beginning" I take exception to being lumped in with those who Sabreblade was pointing out.
But... We know that you like more than just G1 Transformers. Who's lumping you in with that other group?
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:55 pm

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The fact that I consider myself a "Geewunner". To me, it's more that the individual grew up with G1 rather than not being able to see anything past G1.

Yes, I have watched everything since, I've even enjoyed some of it, but at the end of the day I prefer G1, so I consider myself a "Geewunner".

Why the **** do I even have to defend myself over this? >:oP
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:03 pm

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Burn wrote:The fact that I consider myself a "Geewunner". To me, it's more that the individual grew up with G1 rather than not being able to see anything past G1.

Yes, I have watched everything since, I've even enjoyed some of it, but at the end of the day I prefer G1, so I consider myself a "Geewunner".

Why the **** do I even have to defend myself over this? >:oP
Why do you prefer to call yourself by a specifically derogatory term instead of just labeling yourself a "G1 fan"?

"Geewunner" is an inherently negative term that no one who likes more than just G1 (even if they still like G1 more than the other TF stuff they like) should want to identify themselves with.

Even if you like G1 more than the other stuff you like, the fact that you do still like some of that other stuff shows that you're a fan of "G1" rather than "Geewun".
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:17 pm

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I can't believe you actually have the audacity to sit there telling me I'm WRONG about how I label myself. Do you have any idea how condescending it is?
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Big Grim » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:35 am

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Man, I used to be on of the "trukk not munkey" lot. Then AlexKingdom told me to actually watch Beast Wars. After the initial kiddie episodes, I was glad I did. What a great show and cast of characters.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:47 am

I thought we could define 'Geewunner' the same way another fanbase defined 'Genwunner': that it's not about being from the first batch or even personally preferring the original but rather being a crazy whiny old man who yells at how everything past the original is a blasphemy, how it's not 'real' Transformers/Pokémon and how their precious childhood nostalgia is perfect in every way and never got outdone in quality by everything else.

At least, that's how Pokémon define a 'Genwunner'. It's not about liking Generation 1 more, its about being a raging prick who make everyoen else miserable while plugging his ears and going 'LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' every time someone point a legitimate flaw to their beloved nostalgia.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:55 pm

I really dont think this is a discussion worth having, we can each call eachother whatever we like and it could mean our own thing.
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Twue Wuv: Machinima's Transformers Power of the Primes Episode 7 REVIEW

Postby Bronzewolf » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:59 pm

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It's time again to turn our critical eye toward the Machinima Power of the Primes series, as it winds down in the final episodes of both the show and the trilogy as a whole. We've got quite a good bit of material to cover over the three days in anticipation of the final episode, as I've been on a small hiatus for a couple weeks. We'll start our catch up and start again where I left you a few weeks ago, with a look back at Episode 7!

(Note: The following review contains spoilers for Power of the Primes and the Prime Wars Trilogy. Proceed at your own risk!)

We pick right up where 6 left off, with Megatron blowing Overlord to bits using the Requiem Blaster, which has created a giant divot in the side of Cybertron, amounting to a frickin' 8th of the planet.

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"You just murdered several million Cybertronians" "YEAH, but...I got that one guy!" "Several MILLION."

They also launched a beam of hyper-powerful energy into space. I'm sure that won't cause any problems. The main cast starts to regroup in the wake of their large battle inside the sanctorum against Overlord and Rodimus Cron. They finally get their moment to morn Victorion, and make sure everyone else is alright. Windblade makes a comment about the Torchbearers, the group name of the robots that make up Victorion (similar the Protectobots or the Constructicons), further murking this series' view/adaptation of Combiners. It can't make up it's mind if it wants Combiner members to have their own identity or not, and it seems to be a case by case basis.

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Windblade thanks Optimus Primal for sticking with them, when it looked like he was just going to desert them in the previous episode, as Grimlock also makes amends with Megatron. The majority of the data banks inside the Sanctorum had all been destroyed, but Perceptor was able to download the documents they need on Megatronus and the Requiem Blaster. They talk about what the potential plan of Megatronus is, and realize he intends to fuse the blaster, Matrix of Leadership, and the Enigma of Combination into a mega device. Megatron says that this is to drain the sparks from every Transformer on Cybertron, though it's not established how he knows this. Speak of the devil, Megatronus arrives on the scene to reclaim the blaster. It's the first time we've seen him in a few episodes, as the story has buckled town and focused on the main cast of characters. The split narrative that detracted from the first couple of episodes is totally gone.

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As Megatronus arrives, Megatron knows, somehow again, that Megatronus plans to steal the sparks from all Cybertronians (all 20 of them, apparently) to supposedly bring Solus Prime back from the dead. Megatronus says that he is correct, and that they should be proud to be going to such a noble cause. That's quite an intricate plan to guess right in one fell swoop on Megatron's part, is it not? This deus-ex-machina moment of knowledge from Megatron is, again, confusing, and reminds me of a moment from a badly dubbed anime. I find it hard to believe that the writers couldn't find a more natural way to write Megatron solving Megatronus' plan into the script.

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After Megatron and Windblade are tossed aside by Megatronus with some really cool imagery, Optimus Primal steps in the way of Megatronus' path to the Requiem Blaster. Megatronus makes a snide remark, and tosses him aside. He's only stopped from finishing Primal off by Rodimus Cron, who still functions. He tells Megatronus he must destroy the Matrix, not use it, which, as an agent of Unicron, is his primary function. Rodimus turns on Megatronus, giving the heroes new hope. Megatronus doesn't care, as he already has the blaster he came for. He disappears into the night, and soon Rodimus Cron takes off after him, driving through the large crater. Windblade protests that they can't just let the two now-enemies kill each other, believing that there's still a bit of Hot Rod left in Cron. Megatron knows that they must go to the well of sparks, another tidbit of info he inexplicably knows.

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I'm starting to think Megatron might be in on this whole thing...

And so, as they embark on the next, and most likely final leg of their journey, and without Victorion for the first time in the entire Trilogy, the episode ends.

This episode was uneventful, especially considering the action packed one preceding it. Though I understand why, as it's purpose was simply to give Megatronus the Requiem Blaster, and little else. It felt quick, and, on the whole, painless. I'm enjoying the focused narrative I touched on earlier in the review more than I enjoyed the several plot lines with several characters in several settings. The story being more narrowed in is doing the series a great service, in my opinion, and it feels like it is finally in some form of a groove. The slow motion/still shots are beautiful, and I'd love to see more like them. I've always liked these character models, so seeing them in shots like that is awesome. It's a big positive for the series for those to be included. Ultimately, though, it felt like an episode back in the swamp again, with little forward movement except for basically one plot point in the second half.

Thanks for reading my review of the 7th episode of Power of the Primes. Catch me again tomorrow when I cover episode 8. Check out the episode for yourself, then come back and tell me how you thought I did in the Energon pub forums below. Did you agree with me? Did you disagree? Please let me know!
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:26 am

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Good review bronze, and I'm glad you were able to catch back up with these. Wouldn't be the same without your reviews :-P
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Re: Machinima Transformers Power of the Primes Cartoon Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:13 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:Good review bronze, and I'm glad you were able to catch back up with these. Wouldn't be the same without your reviews :-P

Thanks so much Zero. I love hearing stuff like this. Glad I can make these shows a bit more enjoyable. :lol:
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