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Kurona wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Kurona wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Pretty sure no one here in their right mind is expecting Pixar quality animation.fenrir72 wrote:Now, reality check. This show doesn't have the budget of like...any CGI based movie like that put out by Pixar. So expect less than Pixar level quality.
You did read the posts I was referring to? Frame rate etc etc are all part of the package in a CGI flick. Whether it be BW Prime or Adventure. Just sit down, watch and be entertained is the gist of my post. Not counting the frame rate or how "limited" the lip synch etc etc. Storywise, the show is just starting, lot's more to know like those movie serials Spielberg and Lucas grew up on.
Framerate is a very legitimate thing to argue about when it's slow to the point of being distracting and detrimental to the product. We're not meticulously counting every frame of each second; the frames are so few in number we can literally see them. That's not a good sign.
As for the story 'just starting', the series is about halfway through.
And I think the point of a lot of peoples' complaints here is that they sat down, watched, and expected to be entertained... but weren't.
1st 20 minutes of intros? Halfway already? How many episodes are we in for anyway?
And again with the production values. The moment Hb contracted the company to animate the story in serial format should already have given hints on how much budget was allocated to the show.
The company may want to have added more but if the budget they were given is limited (Hb being skinflints?) so corners are sure to be cut. Which goes back to my Pixar analogy. Lower your expectations. Eat the popcorn and enjoy (or hate the show). Heck, this kind of reminds me of Takara's TFGo! Compare that to this, which is better?
I did lower my expectations though. Like I said after the first episode; I wasn't expecting to be blown away by it, I wasn't expecting anything amazing, I was just expecting something mildly decent and entertaining and I didn't even get that.
Being done on the cheap doesn't excuse the framerate from still looking bad.fenrir72 wrote:Nothing is really "wrong" based on the situation you mentioned. Again back to the most important thing. Budget. Budget allocated for this "advertisement". If Hb committed let's say $ 5,000,000 then we get that much worth of visual bliss. If Hb committed $10,000,000 then we get that same amount in production values etc etc.
Tatsunoko even back during the original Macross also subcontracted and cut corners. Hence we got a mix bag in the SDF Macross saga in terms of animation quality (had some errors in the editing too during the first few episodes, the uncensored non Macek versions). Same with the legendary Gatchaman. The first season had minimum corners cut while 2nd and 3rd had a lot of reusing etc etc.
Tatsunoko was more or less subcontracted for the cheapest services they could offer and TF seems not to be their "in house" love child.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Being done on the cheap doesn't excuse the framerate from still looking bad.fenrir72 wrote:Nothing is really "wrong" based on the situation you mentioned. Again back to the most important thing. Budget. Budget allocated for this "advertisement". If Hb committed let's say $ 5,000,000 then we get that much worth of visual bliss. If Hb committed $10,000,000 then we get that same amount in production values etc etc.
Tatsunoko even back during the original Macross also subcontracted and cut corners. Hence we got a mix bag in the SDF Macross saga in terms of animation quality (had some errors in the editing too during the first few episodes, the uncensored non Macek versions). Same with the legendary Gatchaman. The first season had minimum corners cut while 2nd and 3rd had a lot of reusing etc etc.
Tatsunoko was more or less subcontracted for the cheapest services they could offer and TF seems not to be their "in house" love child.
Cyber Missions had a vastly better framerate than this and look at how stupidly cheap and unflattering it looked (there isn't even any mouth movement, even for those who have visible mouths, like Megatron with his mouth stuck being always hung open):
Z3ROhour wrote:Computron was created by Grimlock?
I've never been able to come to terms with this.
Even if Grimlock just has a speech impediment,
In no way can he pull that off.
What am I missing?
Savant syndrome?
Tell me!
Lorekeeper wrote:The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.
At least, until his arms break and fall off, that is.william-james88 wrote:Lorekeeper wrote:The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.
Yeah, what I find really awesome is how some of the designs are pulled straight from the toys. You literally see some of your toys come to life. I especially felt this when Rodimus was conversing with Starscream, you can see your MP 09 Rodimus toy just walking about.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Z3ROhour wrote:Computron was created by Grimlock?
I've never been able to come to terms with this.
...Tell me!
william-james88 wrote:Lorekeeper wrote:The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.
Yeah, what I find really awesome is how some of the designs are pulled straight from the toys. You literally see some of your toys come to life. I especially felt this when Rodimus was conversing with Starscream, you can see your MP 09 Rodimus toy just walking about.
That Bot wrote:I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.
That Bot wrote:I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.
Sunstar wrote:framerate seems fine here.
In spite of its flaws, I am looking forward to each episode. I wish they were longer....
Whifflefire wrote:So far Megatron is the best part of the series. He had character, his lines were delivered with avidity, and he had some enjoyable quips in his scenes, a nice change from the angst-filled 'protagonist's' recycled complaints of combiners' apparent ruination.Sunstar wrote:framerate seems fine here.
In spite of its flaws, I am looking forward to each episode. I wish they were longer....
Myself as well, if they were longer there would be more time for a healthy combination of exposition and action, and more time to introduce the characters.
fenrir72 wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:This show still isn't any better. The animation I think was worse in this episode than it's been all along. Megatron's mouth movements made no sense and didn't fit his words.
Windblade is just.... Ugggghhhh.... So terrible.
Megatron was better acted than anyone so far, but his lines are awful. The writer of this show can't write, at ALL, they should find a new job, because writing isn't for them.
I was so looking forward to this series and so hoping it would be on the quality of G.I.Joe Resolute and it simply isn't even close.
We're halfway through the show and we still have no idea WTF is really going on or why things are the way there are.
So much potential, so crappy.
IDW did a better job and their books are almost as bad as the G1 Marvel garbage....
You could do better?
Bronzewolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:Lorekeeper wrote:The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.
Yeah, what I find really awesome is how some of the designs are pulled straight from the toys. You literally see some of your toys come to life. I especially felt this when Rodimus was conversing with Starscream, you can see your MP 09 Rodimus toy just walking about.
I feel exactly the same way about the "Devastation" video game that came out a while ago. I have absolutely 0 interest in the game itself, but the character models (mostly all based off of Masterpiece) Are really really cool. I think I even said something like that on here when the trailer first dropped.
Anyway, yeah. I enjoy the character models, they had a lot of potential. Unfortunately it got dragged down by the Dialogue, Mouth sync (![]()
), and pacing.
That Bot wrote:I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.
Whifflefire wrote:So far Megatron is the best part of the series. He had character, his lines were delivered with avidity, and he had some enjoyable quips in his scenes, a nice change from the angst-filled 'protagonist's' recycled complaints of combiners' apparent ruination.Sunstar wrote:framerate seems fine here.
In spite of its flaws, I am looking forward to each episode. I wish they were longer....
Myself as well, if they were longer there would be more time for a healthy combination of exposition and action, and more time to introduce the characters.
Tyrannacon wrote:That Bot wrote:I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.
You got to admit though that their animation style is a little choppy at least?
That Bot wrote:Tyrannacon wrote:That Bot wrote:I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.
You got to admit though that their animation style is a little choppy at least?
No I don't. Aside from the mouth animations, the motion looks fine. Stiff, sometimes, but not choppy or lacking in frames or anything. I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing, and I'm okay with that.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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