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[fenrir72]

Now, reality check. This show doesn't have the budget of like...any CGI based movie like that put out by Pixar. So expect less than Pixar level quality.

Pretty sure no one here in their right mind is expecting Pixar quality animation.

You did read the posts I was referring to? Frame rate etc etc are all part of the package in a CGI flick. Whether it be BW Prime or Adventure. Just sit down, watch and be entertained is the gist of my post. Not counting the frame rate or how "limited" the lip synch etc etc. Storywise, the show is just starting, lot's more to know like those movie serials Spielberg and Lucas grew up on.

Framerate is a very legitimate thing to argue about when it's slow to the point of being distracting and detrimental to the product. We're not meticulously counting every frame of each second; the frames are so few in number we can literally see them. That's not a good sign.

As for the story 'just starting', the series is about halfway through.

And I think the point of a lot of peoples' complaints here is that they sat down, watched, and expected to be entertained... but weren't.

1st 20 minutes of intros? Halfway already? How many episodes are we in for anyway?

And again with the production values. The moment Hb contracted the company to animate the story in serial format should already have given hints on how much budget was allocated to the show.

The company may want to have added more but if the budget they were given is limited (Hb being skinflints?) so corners are sure to be cut. Which goes back to my Pixar analogy. Lower your expectations. Eat the popcorn and enjoy (or hate the show). Heck, this kind of reminds me of Takara's TFGo! Compare that to this, which is better?

I did lower my expectations though. Like I said after the first episode; I wasn't expecting to be blown away by it, I wasn't expecting anything amazing, I was just expecting something mildly decent and entertaining and I didn't even get that.

People have differing levels of satisfaction. Some are easy to please other aren't. Same old same old. That's what being human is.

[Sabrblade]

Nothing is really "wrong" based on the situation you mentioned. Again back to the most important thing. Budget. Budget allocated for this "advertisement". If Hb committed let's say $ 5,000,000 then we get that much worth of visual bliss. If Hb committed $10,000,000 then we get that same amount in production values etc etc.

Tatsunoko even back during the original Macross also subcontracted and cut corners. Hence we got a mix bag in the SDF Macross saga in terms of animation quality (had some errors in the editing too during the first few episodes, the uncensored non Macek versions). Same with the legendary Gatchaman. The first season had minimum corners cut while 2nd and 3rd had a lot of reusing etc etc.

Tatsunoko was more or less subcontracted for the cheapest services they could offer and TF seems not to be their "in house" love child.

Being done on the cheap doesn't excuse the framerate from still looking bad.

Cyber Missions had a vastly better framerate than this and look at how stupidly cheap and unflattering it looked (there isn't even any mouth movement, even for those who have visible mouths, like Megatron with his mouth stuck being always hung open):

[X3ROhour]

Computron was created by Grimlock?

I've never been able to come to terms with this.


Even if Grimlock just has a speech impediment,
In no way can he pull that off.

What am I missing?
Savant syndrome?

Tell me!

[X3ROhour]

I've read quite a bit of flame about how Windblade is nothing like her IDW counterpart.
How all of a sudden she's grumpy, powerful and swings a blade like a badass.
She's not the sweet, optimistic girlbot we all supposedly know from the comics.




Has it never occurred to anyone that maybe we don't know her all that well?
Maybe she was chosen for not only her compassion and empathy?
Hotshot is supposedly a City-speaker, and he has never been portrayed as anything but a pew-pew, fight, punch, kick guy.
A WARRIOR.



AND
people change.
Especially when something happens that pushes one too far.
Something that makes one mean and angry.

She seems mean
And angry.

Something's changed.
Something has happened.
She is not the girl we knew.

She isn't attending to Metroplex.
She isn't being attended by Chromia.
She isn't who we thought we knew.
She's been hurt by something horrible.

All we can do is wait
And see.

[fenrir72]

Nothing is really "wrong" based on the situation you mentioned. Again back to the most important thing. Budget. Budget allocated for this "advertisement". If Hb committed let's say $ 5,000,000 then we get that much worth of visual bliss. If Hb committed $10,000,000 then we get that same amount in production values etc etc.

Tatsunoko even back during the original Macross also subcontracted and cut corners. Hence we got a mix bag in the SDF Macross saga in terms of animation quality (had some errors in the editing too during the first few episodes, the uncensored non Macek versions). Same with the legendary Gatchaman. The first season had minimum corners cut while 2nd and 3rd had a lot of reusing etc etc.

Tatsunoko was more or less subcontracted for the cheapest services they could offer and TF seems not to be their "in house" love child.

Being done on the cheap doesn't excuse the framerate from still looking bad.

Cyber Missions had a vastly better framerate than this and look at how stupidly cheap and unflattering it looked (there isn't even any mouth movement, even for those who have visible mouths, like Megatron with his mouth stuck being always hung open):

In an ideal world we would have wished that but tell that to the renderers.

You do realize that the cost to render Cyber missions a year or so ago has increased? Prices/costs don't remain static. That's what you call inflation. You also have to factor the change in foreign exchange rates


I'm imagining this setting...........

Tatsunoko: Hey peeps (manager who will assign the in house group who will render the show), we's got a contract from gaijin Hb to animate their combiner war product

Manager: 'sama.....how much we gonna get out of this? What's the budget?

Tatsunoko: Contract has it for US$ 5,000,000

Manager: $ 5,000,000 only? I guess it's team Shoshinsha who'll handle it. No need to bother the in house senmonka.

Tatsunoko: Make sure those whippersnappers don't go the full monty. Budget is only $ US 5,000,000. If we get a second season and a higher budget maybe we could add more bells and whistles......

[Lorekeeper]

The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.

The dialogue is bad. G1 tv-show bad. Maybe worse. The voice actors' tones do not react properly to one another. Megatron's delivery is great, but it has no impact on the other characters.

The fight action makes no sense, physics-wise. This show's physics makes less sense than a six-year-old throwing their toys around.

And why the bleep-boop-bleep for the Constructicon voices? Are they that profane?

[Kurona]

Computron was created by Grimlock?

I've never been able to come to terms with this.


Even if Grimlock just has a speech impediment,
In no way can he pull that off.

What am I missing?
Savant syndrome?

Tell me!

The G1 episode it happened in featured an accident where Grimlock got a ton of information and intelligence flown straight into his brain. He later created the Technobots and, to go back to his status quo, transferred the intelligence to them and Computron and went back to his usual self.

[william-james88]

The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.

Yeah, what I find really awesome is how some of the designs are pulled straight from the toys. You literally see some of your toys come to life. I especially felt this when Rodimus was conversing with Starscream, you can see your MP 09 Rodimus toy just walking about.

[Sabrblade]

The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.

Yeah, what I find really awesome is how some of the designs are pulled straight from the toys. You literally see some of your toys come to life. I especially felt this when Rodimus was conversing with Starscream, you can see your MP 09 Rodimus toy just walking about.

At least, until his arms break and fall off, that is.

[o.supreme]

Computron was created by Grimlock?

I've never been able to come to terms with this.

...Tell me!

--Watch the Original Series episode "Grimlock's New Brain" it's pretty straight forward.

[Bronzewolf]

The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.

Yeah, what I find really awesome is how some of the designs are pulled straight from the toys. You literally see some of your toys come to life. I especially felt this when Rodimus was conversing with Starscream, you can see your MP 09 Rodimus toy just walking about.

I feel exactly the same way about the "Devastation" video game that came out a while ago. I have absolutely 0 interest in the game itself, but the character models (mostly all based off of Masterpiece) Are really really cool. I think I even said something like that on here when the trailer first dropped.

Anyway, yeah. I enjoy the character models, they had a lot of potential. Unfortunately it got dragged down by the Dialogue, Mouth sync ( ), and pacing.

[King Kuuga]

I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.

I haven't had an issue with the animation or anything, and my original complaints are being ironed out with the story going forward, especially thanks to Megatron

[Sunstar]

I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.

framerate seems fine here.

In spite of its flaws, I am looking forward to each episode. I wish they were longer....

[Whifflefire]

So far Megatron is the best part of the series. He had character, his lines were delivered with avidity, and he had some enjoyable quips in his scenes, a nice change from the angst-filled 'protagonist's' recycled complaints of combiners' apparent ruination.

framerate seems fine here.

In spite of its flaws, I am looking forward to each episode. I wish they were longer....

Myself as well, if they were longer there would be more time for a healthy combination of exposition and action, and more time to introduce the characters.

[fenrir72]

So far Megatron is the best part of the series. He had character, his lines were delivered with avidity, and he had some enjoyable quips in his scenes, a nice change from the angst-filled 'protagonist's' recycled complaints of combiners' apparent ruination.

framerate seems fine here.

In spite of its flaws, I am looking forward to each episode. I wish they were longer....

Myself as well, if they were longer there would be more time for a healthy combination of exposition and action, and more time to introduce the characters.

You probably normal "joes" who just wants to focus on the important things in life like story content etc etc......

Find more here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfectionism_(psychology)

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-psycholog ... see-world/



......framerates.........

[Va'al]

Hey fenrir72, no need. Ta.

[Galactic Prime]

This show still isn't any better. The animation I think was worse in this episode than it's been all along. Megatron's mouth movements made no sense and didn't fit his words.

Windblade is just.... Ugggghhhh.... So terrible.

Megatron was better acted than anyone so far, but his lines are awful. The writer of this show can't write, at ALL, they should find a new job, because writing isn't for them.

I was so looking forward to this series and so hoping it would be on the quality of G.I.Joe Resolute and it simply isn't even close.

We're halfway through the show and we still have no idea WTF is really going on or why things are the way there are.

So much potential, so crappy.

IDW did a better job and their books are almost as bad as the G1 Marvel garbage....

You could do better?

I certainly could write something better by far. So yeah, with proper animation people, and GOOD voice actors, I could do better, A LOT better.

[Tyrannacon]

The only thing I basically like about this Combiner Wars show is the character modeling. The characters look like I feel they should.

Yeah, what I find really awesome is how some of the designs are pulled straight from the toys. You literally see some of your toys come to life. I especially felt this when Rodimus was conversing with Starscream, you can see your MP 09 Rodimus toy just walking about.

I feel exactly the same way about the "Devastation" video game that came out a while ago. I have absolutely 0 interest in the game itself, but the character models (mostly all based off of Masterpiece) Are really really cool. I think I even said something like that on here when the trailer first dropped.

Anyway, yeah. I enjoy the character models, they had a lot of potential. Unfortunately it got dragged down by the Dialogue, Mouth sync ( ), and pacing.

It's always great to see animation models that accurately reflect the toys or vice versa. Makes it feel more genuine to me personally and like you are a part or have a piece of the action as well.

I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.

You got to admit though that their animation style is a little choppy at least? I mean I see why people are criticizing it. It isn't very smooth totally. I think the reason for this though is more a stylistic and possibly rendering choice though.

So far Megatron is the best part of the series. He had character, his lines were delivered with avidity, and he had some enjoyable quips in his scenes, a nice change from the angst-filled 'protagonist's' recycled complaints of combiners' apparent ruination.

framerate seems fine here.

In spite of its flaws, I am looking forward to each episode. I wish they were longer....

Myself as well, if they were longer there would be more time for a healthy combination of exposition and action, and more time to introduce the characters.

Going to take in that bolded part of the quote for a moment due to my fanaticism for Megatron.

*breathes in deeply*

There we go...

That's actually my complaint, I wish the episodes were longer and had a bit more exposition and action to them. The story is pretty straight forward in the way they're telling it when its not just random bouts of action. Since they changed the continuity for this it wouldn't hurt for them to add a bit more exposition to carry it though.

[King Kuuga]

I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.

You got to admit though that their animation style is a little choppy at least?

No I don't. Aside from the mouth animations, the motion looks fine. Stiff, sometimes, but not choppy or lacking in frames or anything. I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing, and I'm okay with that.

[Tyrannacon]

I feel like the only person on this website who doesn't have any issues with the animation framerate. It seems fine to me.

You got to admit though that their animation style is a little choppy at least?

No I don't. Aside from the mouth animations, the motion looks fine. Stiff, sometimes, but not choppy or lacking in frames or anything. I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing, and I'm okay with that.

Alright then. Sorry about that.

Mostly I was seeing the choppy-ness in the actual fighting and movement of the 'bots rather than the speech.

[Kamenrideruk]

so far ive been enjoying if combiner wars is successful i hope they move onto titans return, im enjoying windblades character definatlly a nice change from say arcee or arachnea, i do find it odd that the combiners dont seem to be as in control as they did in the g1 cartoon,and starscream playing nice is an odd yet interesting take on his character.

[Whifflefire]

The animation is fine, and the plot is beginning to make more sense now that we've seen more of how this storyline is going, but if the episodes were longer, we would have understood the tone earlier and most of the complaints for this series would be mitigated. People's dissatisfaction with the episodes seem to all come from the limited timespan of them.

[Big Grim]

Gotta admit, that episode was better. Windblade is still annoying but Megs is great. Definitely the shows MVP thus far.

[Sabrblade]

Episode 5 - https://www.go90.com/profiles/va_76d339377a884aab97be734ad7cb9343

Was actually kinda okay for the most part. All that's to be said about the acting and framerate has already been said time and again, but neither seemed quite as bad this time around (or maybe I'm just getting used to it).

Megatron and Starscream continue to remain the best characters so far, though Rodimus seems to have improved as he's no longer the one who's considering the hasty and hostile decisions (that'd be the Mistress of Flame now, who now seems the most like the show's main "villain", if there needed to be one) and is instead siding with Starscream on trying to seek methods of reason and peace.

Though, there was a very odd moment during the battle scene. When Windblade was slicing at one of the cannons, there was this deep disembodied voice who told her "Don't... let this happen." Who said that?! And why was this a thing? It's never brought up again in the episode, nor even really acknowledged that much by Windblade when she hears it. It was just really weird.

And then... a random Devastator appears! Uh... okay?

Though, I chuckled a bit at his tearing Rodimus's arm off, what with Rodimus being modeled after his MP-9 toy.