The Energon Pub

Court Jester wrote:Who's to say definitively that each tank does not have a bot mode when uncombined?

I surely hope not.

i want this. badly.

The Dude wrote:Any upgrade kit that

1. Costs more than 10x I paid for the toy it's upgrading
2. Requires the use of power tools to assemble

Sounds like a lot more trouble than it's worth. Sorry.

Drilling is only needed if you already snapped off the original neck on the figure.

Sodan-1 wrote:I surely hope not.

Sure, I'll bite...
Should I assume you wouldn't because it wouldn't be fitting of the character? It has been hinted that War Within The Fallen's origins lie in a character called Megatronus Prime - neither Autobot or Decepticon.

Quote from Wiki:

The Fallen is a fictional character in the Transformers universes. According to Hasbro, he was formerly known as Megatronus Prime, and is a multiversal singularity, meaning that while he exists across the multiverse, he has no alternate-universe counterpart.

There is room for taking liberties with this Megatronus Prime character; but what if Maketoy is attempting to rewrite the Megatronus Prime character as the name implies: Megatron and Optimus merged in chaos (as the embodiment of the great wars across several universes and alternate realities like SG)? I know... I know, I've over-written; again.

Even the name implies two or more... I know, it's a stretch, but if its two bots that cause chaos in the character, it kicks the back story up a notch - even complimenting the Shadow Scythe character in the Fandomverse.

Either way, I'm in on this project. Pen me down for 2.

hmmmm...Am I the only one thinking that with retooling of one of those, and a new jet to merge with we could see a decent Overlord?

Since this bad boy is coming with a new head for Battle Tanker, I wonder just how far away he is from a release?

I'd love to see the MakeToy guys do an Overlord!!

Get the F out

Then his name would be Allen.

Cue Venksta.

Tidalwavex wrote:best of all this looks to be leader size. as it towers over RTS Prime in battle tanker combined mode.

No it doesn't

amcgrath929 wrote:Since this bad boy is coming with a new head for Battle Tanker, I wonder just how far away he is from a release?

I'd love to see the MakeToy guys do an Overlord!!

Wait, the replacement head doesn't come with The Fallen figure, right? The info just happened to come out at the same time...

I still haven't bit the bullet on Tanker yet but that Fallen looks increasingly sweet! It looks ready to stand next to Logos Prime on my God Shelf.

That's a quite awesome third party figure. I'm really diggin' Maketoy's. Does anyone know when they're starting to sell their Constructicon Sets? I'm all over those. That fact that I work construction makes their color scheme all the more appealing to me.

bladewing2 wrote::-? hmmmm...Am I the only one thinking that with retooling of one of those, and a new jet to merge with we could see a decent Overlord?

No, you're not the only one

cylor wrote:

bladewing2 wrote::-? hmmmm...Am I the only one thinking that with retooling of one of those, and a new jet to merge with we could see a decent Overlord?

No, you're not the only one

I'd rather they didn't. At least not quite so early in their run. They still have to work out the kinks and get the ball rolling some more. Their first real outing that isn't a upgrade is full blown combiner. And not just any ol' Computron or Abominus where they can get all stylistic to get some experience but Devastator. Real altmodes, defined characters, real beloved first season stuff. I'd like to see someone tackle the Stunticons and/or Predaking. Plus, we have some deluxe sized holes that need filling: Trailbreaker, Gears, Brawn, Skids, Blitzwing, Dinobots that aren't bland for the sake of a boring combiner, Shockwave that isn't a boat. And it wouldn't surprise me if iGear wasn't planning to cap it's Wreckers line with Overlord and then we'll have Herc v. Giant all over again (but at least that would be cheaper!)

The Dude wrote:Any upgrade kit that

1. Costs more than 10x I paid for the toy it's upgrading
2. Requires the use of power tools to assemble

Sounds like a lot more trouble than it's worth. Sorry.

It does to a certain degree but I do want the first edition of Battle Tanker. Did I read right that also included is a bonus weapon of some sort? I will bite and wait for the new head to go with the set no problem for me. I figured I waited this long for it I can wait a bit more...'nuff said!

I got the battle tanker the other day and I did the whole boiling head in the water thing and I got the head on all right, but when I tried to turn his head, it was so tight that it stressed the plastic to a point where I knew it was going to break off eventually. And sure enough it did. But luckily i had another RTS prime lying around and since the ball joint was stuck in the maketoy head, I had to drill it out. The second try, I just pushed on the head without boiling anything and it went on! Now i have a battle ready optimus prime and it's amazing. I think the drill may have opened up the head a little bit so that it didn't require any boiling water. After I put the head on the first time, I think I should've waited to try to turn his head. It was really tight. I will save my RTS prime without the head for when the replacement head is released. maybe i'll sell it on ebay with the maketoys head...

Now concerning this Fallen character. I noticed something that no one has mentioned yet. He is a parts former. which means, he breaks into pieces and forms up again to change forms. if you notice, on the right tank, his feet are attached to his formarms. You can see this by the PCC ports on his forarms in his bot mode, and notice the square empty space on his heels. The left tank is made up of his core, his back, and his thighs while the right tank is made up of his arms and his lower legs. His PCC ports in his bot mode will probably still be used to attache his guns like we've seen in previous pictures.

still... pretty sweet.

I wonder what that hinge on the treads are for...

I want this and the inevitable upgrade set to give him the flames.

Nemesis Destron wrote:Did I read right that also included is a bonus weapon of some sort?

Yep, first edition will include the bonus Drift sword. How long will these editions be available, no idea. Does it make buying 1st edition a necessity, individual buyer must decide.

TFseeker wrote:Now concerning this Fallen character. I noticed something that no one has mentioned yet. He is a parts former. which means, he breaks into pieces and forms up again to change forms. if you notice, on the right tank, his feet are attached to his formarms. You can see this by the PCC ports on his forarms in his bot mode, and notice the square empty space on his heels. The left tank is made up of his core, his back, and his thighs while the right tank is made up of his arms and his lower legs. His PCC ports in his bot mode will probably still be used to attache his guns like we've seen in previous pictures.

You know what, he's not wrong. Good eye! And if you're one of those that had noticed, then shame on you for not speaking up.

I can't stand part-formers. They just strike me as lazy design work. If it were any other character I'd probably right this off here and now, but The Fallen is the exception to the rule. Being a character of ancient times, you could simply pass it off as an early crude attempt at transforming. I like it, and I wonder if there is the possibility of multiple permutations.

Court Jester wrote:

Sodan-1 wrote:I surely hope not.

Sure, I'll bite...
Should I assume you wouldn't because it wouldn't be fitting of the character? It has been hinted that War Within The Fallen's origins lie in a character called Megatronus Prime - neither Autobot or Decepticon.

Quote from Wiki:

The Fallen is a fictional character in the Transformers universes. According to Hasbro, he was formerly known as Megatronus Prime, and is a multiversal singularity, meaning that while he exists across the multiverse, he has no alternate-universe counterpart.

There is room for taking liberties with this Megatronus Prime character; but what if Maketoy is attempting to rewrite the Megatronus Prime character as the name implies: Megatron and Optimus merged in chaos (as the embodiment of the great wars across several universes and alternate realities like SG)? I know... I know, I've over-written; again.

Even the name implies two or more... I know, it's a stretch, but if its two bots that cause chaos in the character, it kicks the back story up a notch.....

OK, I'll admit it. The idea of condensing the conflict between Optimus and Megatron into one tortured soul is pretty awesome. But I would imagine such a being having a psychological state more like Autobot Spike or Transmetals II Dinobot, not a rampant force of destruction like The Fallen. Megatron may be an evil tyrant bent on galactic domination, but most of his incarnations have shown reason, logic and order at some time or another. Megatron and Optimus are too similar for a merger to create such chaos.

Then there's the fact that Megatronus was one of the Original 13 Cybertronians who were created by Primus long before the time of Megatron and Optimus. To change his origins so that he's a combination of the two would surely contradict the notion that he's a singular multi-verse entity.

At the end of the day, TFSeeker highlighting the fact this figure is a part-former I think would make two individual robot modes a difficult thing to achieve.

Why are people assuming that the two tanks have individual robot-modes?

You do realise that parts forming is the most logical way to do this guy, after all he wasn't originally designed with an actual alt-mode in mind, he was designed to look badass in bot-mode and kinda like a tank.
And this looks so accurate that the tank-modes are just there to justify his status as a Transformers character so people don't go "F**king Actionmasters", without compromising his accurate bot-mode.

Court Jester wrote:I wonder what that hinge on the treads are for...

I believe they will hide the hands when in alt-mode.

I hope they don't try to paint flames on this bad-boy and instead go with translucent plastic flames.

Dead Metal wrote:I hope they don't try to paint flames on this bad-boy and instead go with translucent plastic flames.

That would look awesome. I would happily settle for some UV reactive reprolabels flames stickers though.

@ Sodan-1: I see your point in Megs and OP sharing qualities. Still, the mystery surrounding the character is what draws me to further speculation, hence interest in acquiring the toy. I love story - especially the kind of stories that I haven't been privy to yet. I love discovering a story instead of painting by the numbers with the same hue palette. In other words, good call, but here's to hoping for depth.

@ Dead Metal: Nobody's stating fact other than what's observed. I was speculating into the possible. In regards to the hinges on treads of the upper body (back) of the bot mode, they remain unfolded in both modes. More than meets the eye with this one...

Court Jester wrote:@ Sodan-1: I see your point in Megs and OP sharing qualities. Still, the mystery surrounding the character is what draws me to further speculation, hence interest in acquiring the toy. I love story - especially the kind of stories that I haven't been privy to yet. I love discovering a story instead of painting by the numbers with the same hue palette. In other words, good call, but here's to hoping for depth.

@ Dead Metal: Nobody's stating fact other than what's observed. I was speculating into the possible. In regards to the hinges on treads of the upper body (back) of the bot mode, they remain unfolded in both modes. More than meets the eye with this one...

They will probably hide the hands when in alt-mode and close over them again. Kinda like Generations Warpath.

Green is what I mean.

Court Jester wrote:
Green is what I mean.

Ah, OK I see them now, silly me.
Might still hide something in ether alt or bot-mode. Like a connector or something that's needed for transformation, kinda like you have to open up the Classics Seeker body and then close it again during transformation.