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Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby william-james88 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:17 pm

The Full Force podcast, a GI Joe podcast, interviewed the previous Manager of Global Brand Development at Hasbro, Mark Webber.

While a great portion of the podcast focuses on GI Joe, we do get an insight on his time in the Transformers brand. His very first project that was all his was Bot Shots. He did also participate in the conception of the Prime Wars Trilogy and how they got an idea to bring yearly themes to the Generations line. We learn how Hasbro did indeed choose to extend the Combiner Wars line an additional six months because of how much of a hit it was.

We also learn that Titans Wars was the original name of the second part of the trilogy but that it was changed for legal issues.

There is also a short but awesome discussion on what Mark Webber wanted after the Prime Wars trilogy, which was to simply have a line made of mostly new characters, telling a new story, which would be akin to a G3 (his words). Hasbro often states that the toys are part of a narrative they are telling and the idea is carried forth here with totally new characters. He wanted new styles and new vehicles, like a snowplow and a black and grey hearse Decepticon called Tombstone.

What he really wants to stress out is how the brand (both Transformers and GI Joe) are in desperate need for new characters and fresh ideas. This is interesting since it is also a growing sentiment among fans. Afterall, G1 and Beast Wars have such a long lasting impact among fans and in the brand for the simple reason that it is there that so many characters were introduced while later shows and continuities simply used these existing characters in different ways.

While there is a lot of focus on GI Joe, the discussion of managing the brand is applicable to Transformers and we learn how Hasbro's waves and yearly output is decided. This helps us understand how the lines that come out look the way they do.

The Transformers Specific portion is found at the 6hr 19 mark and you can listen to it here.

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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby Sunburnninja » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:47 pm

Oh boy, new character ideas..... :-?
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby Skritz » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:03 pm

I like the idea in concept and wouldn't mind if Hasbro went on with it, but I reserve judgment and skepticism on the basis that the last time Hasbro went LOOK AT THIS NEW CHARACTER YOU WILL LIKE THIS NEW CHARACTER DO YOU LIKE THIS NEW CHARACTER we got Windblade.
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Postby Prime Target » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:07 pm

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I'd love to see Tombstone happen :D
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Postby Randomhero » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:11 pm

Skritz wrote:I like the idea in concept and wouldn't mind if Hasbro went on with it, but I reserve judgment and skepticism on the basis that the last time Hasbro went LOOK AT THIS NEW CHARACTER YOU WILL LIKE THIS NEW CHARACTER DO YOU LIKE THIS NEW CHARACTER we got Windblade.


You mean windblade? The character fans votes for and helped create from name to altmode to even gender? Yeah that’s why she’s special. Becuase the fandom participated in her creation
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Postby Prime Target » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:13 pm

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Skritz wrote:I like the idea in concept and wouldn't mind if Hasbro went on with it, but I reserve judgment and skepticism on the basis that the last time Hasbro went LOOK AT THIS NEW CHARACTER YOU WILL LIKE THIS NEW CHARACTER DO YOU LIKE THIS NEW CHARACTER we got Windblade.


What's wrong with Windy? besides we got some cool OCs from CW like Alpha Bravo , Offroad , Rook, The Torchbearers (That's make an awesome band name)
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Postby Ultra Markus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:40 pm

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so would this be a new story with a completly new team of autobots and decepticons from like a different
place in the same universe and continuity as the original G1 or G1 inspired characters?
much like how we have X-Men and Guardians of the galaxy they exist in the same universe but rarely cross paths
i would be for that ;)^
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Postby Mkall » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:03 am

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I do hope that new characters will continue to make their way into the tooyline. As I've completed or will be completing soon most of the G1 character lineup, my collecting is slowing down significantly.
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Postby mentre83 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:12 am

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Funny, a few years ago I started writing a FanFiction called "Transformers G3" and one of my most beloved characters is Dead End, a Baron Samedi-esque type that transforms into a hearse. Maybe he's a fan! :lol:
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby RAR » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:44 am

william-james88 wrote:There is also a short but awesome discussion on what Mark Webber wanted after the Prime Wars trilogy, which was to simply have a line made of mostly new characters, telling a new story, which would be akin to a G3 (his words). Hasbro often states that the toys are part of a narrative they are telling and the idea is carried forth here with totally new characters. He wanted new styles and new vehicles, like a snowplow and a black and grey hearse Decepticon called Tombstone.

What he really wants to stress out is how the brand (both Transformers and GI Joe) are in desperate need for new characters and fresh ideas. This is interesting since it is also a growing sentiment among fans. Afterall, G1 and Beast Wars have such a long lasting impact among fans and in the brand for the simple reason that it is there that so many characters were introduced while later shows and continuities simply used these existing characters in different ways.



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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby Deadput » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:28 am

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We could have had something original and Hasbro said no? ...ugh

Anyways I think the general idea is cool but maybe have a few different changes...first of all it wouldn't just be a toyline it would have a show to go along with it because we need some form of media to sell us the idea of new characters...well not me specifically I just meant from a marketing standpoint.

I would also have a "few" characters from older lines such as G1 as veterans, mentors or squad leaders to the newer characters...but not the obvious ones, less Bumblebee's and Ratchet's and more Bluestreak's and Windcharger's characters we have not explored as much that could be used in original ways like how cool would it be to have a Windcharger use his magnet powers to their full potential?

This would allow already existing fans to have something their already attached to at the start while keeping the idea of expanding the brand to have new characters, characters like Optimus and Megatron could still exist but are just either characters that are referenced in backstory but don't appear or are just occasionally seen such as Optimus being a wanderer or Megatron is a retired veteran doing community services for his crimes.

About Transformer's genders, I would either have no female characters or a decent amount of both genders like say 8 males and 5 females so it's still a boys toyline but there are a few females just no more 1 or 2 token females and more diversity in shapes for both genders.

Story wise? Not a rehash of the same old war or at least a different take on it, Rid had something going with the hunting criminals thing but as much as I like that show it did lack depth in certain places and the plot kinda went no where besides things happen, I unfortunately don't have a big original idea on what the show could be but I just want something different like Animated was Primus damn it.


Also this is the most important thing in my opinion NO MORE 5 MAN BANDS!!! this is one of the most overused and boring character tropes and it's all Transformers has really been media wise for a while, I also don't want G1's cluster of unmemorable characters who don't do anything (Windcharger, Skids, ETC) I think an equal balance of 15 characters on each side throughout the show would be fine, it would be a lot without going overboard for a starting cast on each side I would go with 7 or 8 on each side, this is not counting Autotrooper/Vehicon type cannonfodder which if they were to exist would be on both sides and are not completely useless but can serve as battle fillers and gives main characters targets to use their abilities on to establish their strength they would also have a few more diversity such as there being both males and females as well as different armor colors, vehicle modes and roles such as medics, scouts, soldiers, tanks (ha ha), snipers, etc. Also they would have plenty of toys for army builders.


Finally...Bludgeon should be a character because he has never once been in a show before and plenty of fans would be happy to see him and would technically be a new character. (Also give Cliffjumper another chance besides 5 minute existing red shirt car ok thanks bye)
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby Grimlocktimus » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:16 am

New characters breathe life into the franchise, as long as we don't kill off the entire cast again it's a pretty neat idea... and a hearse con would be great... and don't EVER badmouth windblade
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby Emerje » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:49 am

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Ultra Markus wrote:so would this be a new story with a completly new team of autobots and decepticons from like a different
place in the same universe and continuity as the original G1 or G1 inspired characters?
much like how we have X-Men and Guardians of the galaxy they exist in the same universe but rarely cross paths
i would be for that ;)^

If it was anything like G2 then G3 would be a progression in the story line involving a new generation of characters with a few familiar faces featuring new designs. I'd be all for this coming after PotP.

IDW practically already started G3 in the comics with Nautica and the like, Hasbro just has to make the rest of them into figures. Tell me all those new Autobots and some more additional ones versus a mix of old and entirely new DJD members wouldn't make for a fun new (very loosely comic based) G3 story line?

A hearse named Tombstone is giving me Gobots vibes for some reason. Like the limo named Tux.

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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby william-james88 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:41 am

Emerje wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:so would this be a new story with a completly new team of autobots and decepticons from like a different
place in the same universe and continuity as the original G1 or G1 inspired characters?
much like how we have X-Men and Guardians of the galaxy they exist in the same universe but rarely cross paths
i would be for that ;)^

If it was anything like G2 then G3 would be a progression in the story line involving a new generation of characters with a few familiar faces featuring new designs. I'd be all for this coming after PotP.

You can listen to the podcast to see exactly what he is saying. Yes it would have Optimus but aside from him they would be all new. I wasnt sure if it was a direct continuation or a new universe since he did mention doing the ark crashing bit again.
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Postby TulioDude » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:09 am

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It kind irks me the way it mentions that the franchise needs new ideas and characters,saying nothing leaving a lasting impression after G1 and Beast Wars.Did he just ignore Rid,The Unicron Trilogy,Movies,Animated and the Aligned series?
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby steals_your_goats » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:56 am

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What I would like from a G3 line would be a mix of brand new characters with new designs and new characters from old never realized concept art. But while I'm all for new things I really want to see the rest of G1 and even G2 get updated. We're pretty close with completing G1 so why not just finish it before moving on.
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby Black Hat » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:10 am

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A new, fresh generation of characters would be great. I'd be down for "G3"- the idea of "familiar faces and completely original ideas side by side" is exactly what the brand could do with.

Also, I kinda hope we see some "name's the same, everything else is different" characters too. Like, look at most of the "name-inheritor" characters from Beast Wars, or Animated, or even Cybertron. Most of them are infinitely more interesting than their G1 counterparts. G1 Rampage was an angry dude, whilst BW Rampage was a robotic Hannibal Lecter who was created by forbidden spark-cloning experiments. G1 Scattershot...existed, I guess, whilst Cybertron Scattorshot was a Southern technical genius with actual personality. G1 Blitzwing was Generic Angry Henchman #15 whilst Animated Blitzwing kept the basic aesthetic/transformation cues and made him actually interesting.
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby william-james88 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:26 am

TulioDude wrote:It kind irks me the way it mentions that the franchise needs new ideas and characters,saying nothing leaving a lasting impression after G1 and Beast Wars.Did he just ignore Rid,The Unicron Trilogy,Movies,Animated and the Aligned series?

it is just in reference to series containing totally new characters. The ones you mentioned dont have 100% new casts, they borrow heavily from G1 and characters share the same names.
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Postby Ultra Markus » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:35 pm

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TulioDude wrote:It kind irks me the way it mentions that the franchise needs new ideas and characters,saying nothing leaving a lasting impression after G1 and Beast Wars.Did he just ignore Rid,The Unicron Trilogy,Movies,Animated and the Aligned series?

it is just in reference to series containing totally new characters. The ones you mentioned dont have 100% new casts, they borrow heavily from G1 and characters share the same names.

If they created a new series that is not in any way have any thing similar to G1 like names, factions, places would it still be Transformers?
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby steals_your_goats » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:51 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
TulioDude wrote:It kind irks me the way it mentions that the franchise needs new ideas and characters,saying nothing leaving a lasting impression after G1 and Beast Wars.Did he just ignore Rid,The Unicron Trilogy,Movies,Animated and the Aligned series?

it is just in reference to series containing totally new characters. The ones you mentioned dont have 100% new casts, they borrow heavily from G1 and characters share the same names.

If they created a new series that is not in any way have any thing similar to G1 like names, factions, places would it still be Transformers?

I mean apart from some names isn't that what beast wars was?
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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby Emerje » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:41 am

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william-james88 wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Ultra Markus wrote:so would this be a new story with a completly new team of autobots and decepticons from like a different
place in the same universe and continuity as the original G1 or G1 inspired characters?
much like how we have X-Men and Guardians of the galaxy they exist in the same universe but rarely cross paths
i would be for that ;)^

If it was anything like G2 then G3 would be a progression in the story line involving a new generation of characters with a few familiar faces featuring new designs. I'd be all for this coming after PotP.

You can listen to the podcast to see exactly what he is saying. Yes it would have Optimus but aside from him they would be all new. I wasnt sure if it was a direct continuation or a new universe since he did mention doing the ark crashing bit again.

Oooh, that could have been bad then. If they're going to call it G3 then it should be a later continuation of the story started in G1, not a retread of the G1 story with new characters. How is that any different from Armada or Prime?

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Re: Mark Weber Discusses the Conception of Prime Wars Trilogy and His Ideas for a G3 Line

Postby TulioDude » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:05 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
TulioDude wrote:It kind irks me the way it mentions that the franchise needs new ideas and characters,saying nothing leaving a lasting impression after G1 and Beast Wars.Did he just ignore Rid,The Unicron Trilogy,Movies,Animated and the Aligned series?

it is just in reference to series containing totally new characters. The ones you mentioned dont have 100% new casts, they borrow heavily from G1 and characters share the same names.


No series has 100% new names,but these other series brought ton of new ideas.Some these character are more recognized than the original bearers of the names.
An example would be the idea of minicons from Armada is still being a thing after all these years.Decepticon Blackout is an helicopter from now on.


All these series in the previous years helped the brand move foward.
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