The Energon Pub

[fenrir72]

I broke the barrel on mine on the first transformation attempt. I was twisting the barrel to straighten it out and I noticed it was loose. I twisted it back to try and figure out what was wrong with it and because it was already loose, I ended up over twisting it and it fell right off. Anybody have an issue with a broken barrel with a successful fix? I thought maybe I could just glue it back on but it seems that you can't put the barrel in robot mode in a way that looks correct in gun mode without having to twist it. I think that it's probably unfixable but I thought I'd ask.

I take it back. I've got something but this would require a bit off waiting.

There's gonna be a release of so called "over runs" of MP-36 more or less. You know, the items that don't meet the QC standards of the mass release yet sold with weird box fonts or no box at all.

If they are released, you could like disassemble (if possible) the broken part and use the over run parts as a replacement.

KOsProduction over runs do have a purpose after all

Never heard of this. Can you give an example or send a link to "over runs" of other MPs? Not questioning your integrity, but I respectfully call BS on the concept. Would love to be proven wrong.

BS? Nope! Not offended at all. The BS part

It's in the 3rd party section article of MP-05 Megs. Just wait for the so called "over runs" to be released and replace the broken parts.

[SpaceKaseJase]

So after looking at the section you referenced re Mp-05, I believe I see our disconnect. It seems to me the term "over run" is the same as a "Knock-off" or KO. Is this correct? If so, then you make a great point. However, judging by the price of MP-36, I could not see a KO Megs going for less than $100 US. That being the case (potentially), I feel that is a steep price to cannibalize a figure for parts.

[fenrir72]

So after looking at the section you referenced re Mp-05, I believe I see our disconnect. It seems to me the term "over run" is the same as a "Knock-off" or KO. Is this correct? If so, then you make a great point. However, judging by the price of MP-36, I could not see a KO Megs going for less than $100 US. That being the case (potentially), I feel that is a steep price to cannibalize a figure for parts.

You got my point exactly

But yes, that is indeed an alternative.

[SpaceKaseJase]

So after looking at the section you referenced re Mp-05, I believe I see our disconnect. It seems to me the term "over run" is the same as a "Knock-off" or KO. Is this correct? If so, then you make a great point. However, judging by the price of MP-36, I could not see a KO Megs going for less than $100 US. That being the case (potentially), I feel that is a steep price to cannibalize a figure for parts.

You got my point exactly

Yay! I win!

[Ironhidensh]

Over run and Knock off are vastly different terms.

So I watched Bobby Skullface's review of MP-36 and I have to say I think he looks a lot better than I initially gave him credit for. The transformation is pretty ingenious and he doesn't look as bad from behind as I had thought.

However, I still think that ultimately I'll be going for Despotron, for a few reasons.

1: The price. I have to import him either way as all the UK retailers are sold out in both cases, but regardless of where they're being sold, Despotron is significantly cheaper. The cheapest I can find Despotron for is about £100. MP-36 meanwhile costs an absolute minimum of £150, and can go up to £170. And that's before we even begin with shipping.

2: The quality. Whilst MP-36 is not a trainwreck like his predecessor, he does suffer from paint scratching issues and potential breakage. Despotron meanwhile has precisely one issue- a very VERY easily fixed issue with his knees that doesn't even affect every figure. And considering MP-36 costs 50% more than Despotron, that's not very good.

3: Aesthetics. Putting aside personal things like my preference for how Despotron's proportions look, there is no doubt that from the back, MP-36 looks pretty terrible. Again, that price- for £150 I expect a bit better.

4: The transformation. Despotron has (from what I can tell) an intuitive, clever transformation that can be repeated without damage. MP-36 has a very frightening transformation that WILL damage the figure. I like to transform and regularly mess with my figures, and I don't fancy a figure that can't be transformed without damaging it.

So yeah. If I had the money I'd buy both as I really, really like Megatron. But when it comes down to it? Despotron wins. Sorry. I don't begrudge anyone who prefers MP-36 (there's lots of really cool things about that figure) but for my collection he just isn't what I want.

Nothing to be sorry about. I sold my Despotron, but it was a very hard decision to make. If 36 had not been a gift, I might have kept Despo. That figure is amazing, and equal to 36, in my humble opinion, and I have really, really come to love 36.

Honestly, either figure is a complete and total win. They both have flaws, but those are out classed by the sheer awesomeness of the figures. They are both a complete and total Megatron.

[fenrir72]

Over run and Knock off are vastly different terms.

So I watched Bobby Skullface's review of MP-36 and I have to say I think he looks a lot better than I initially gave him credit for. The transformation is pretty ingenious and he doesn't look as bad from behind as I had thought.

However, I still think that ultimately I'll be going for Despotron, for a few reasons.

1: The price. I have to import him either way as all the UK retailers are sold out in both cases, but regardless of where they're being sold, Despotron is significantly cheaper. The cheapest I can find Despotron for is about £100. MP-36 meanwhile costs an absolute minimum of £150, and can go up to £170. And that's before we even begin with shipping.

2: The quality. Whilst MP-36 is not a trainwreck like his predecessor, he does suffer from paint scratching issues and potential breakage. Despotron meanwhile has precisely one issue- a very VERY easily fixed issue with his knees that doesn't even affect every figure. And considering MP-36 costs 50% more than Despotron, that's not very good.

3: Aesthetics. Putting aside personal things like my preference for how Despotron's proportions look, there is no doubt that from the back, MP-36 looks pretty terrible. Again, that price- for £150 I expect a bit better.

4: The transformation. Despotron has (from what I can tell) an intuitive, clever transformation that can be repeated without damage. MP-36 has a very frightening transformation that WILL damage the figure. I like to transform and regularly mess with my figures, and I don't fancy a figure that can't be transformed without damaging it.

So yeah. If I had the money I'd buy both as I really, really like Megatron. But when it comes down to it? Despotron wins. Sorry. I don't begrudge anyone who prefers MP-36 (there's lots of really cool things about that figure) but for my collection he just isn't what I want.

Nothing to be sorry about. I sold my Despotron, but it was a very hard decision to make. If 36 had not been a gift, I might have kept Despo. That figure is amazing, and equal to 36, in my humble opinion, and I have really, really come to love 36.

Honestly, either figure is a complete and total win. They both have flaws, but those are out classed by the sheer awesomeness of the figures. They are both a complete and total Megatron.

Though it is quite surprising that there aren't any "over runs" being sold yet at aliexpress and ebay. There ought to be some as the QC passed figure has already been released by Takara VietNam.

As for Despotron, aesthetically, he appeals to the Studio Ox fan in me. If MP-36 did not come out, I was leaning more to him among the 3rd party.

[Omega-1]

I posted this suggestion awhile back about a potential post fix re Megs 2.0:

"Was thinking of an idea to fix the broken post issues. Since each one tends to have some plastic either behind or surrounding the base (where it is broken), perhaps using a tap and die with the correct size could work. Drill out the broken base (not all the way through, of course), then use a tap to create threads in the hole. Next, find (or shape) a nylon cylinder that will fit the hole. Use a die with the same thread count as the tap and form threads around the cylinder. Screw the post into place using epoxy to prevent "unscrewing" when turning the part around the post. The nylon would never snap, and the threads and epoxy should prevent twisting and pulling from the base. Voila! Would welcome other (or better) ideas."
LMKWYT

This sounds pretty complicated. I don't think I could do this.

I take it back. I've got something but this would require a bit off waiting.

There's gonna be a release of so called "over runs" of MP-36 more or less. You know, the items that don't meet the QC standards of the mass release yet sold with weird box fonts or no box at all.

If they are released, you could like disassemble (if possible) the broken part and use the over run parts as a replacement.

KOsProduction over runs do have a purpose after all

I think I would rather buy another official figure but the price seems like it has gone up since I pre-ordered. I'm trying to decide if I should hold out to see if they will have a second run. Maybe with a fix for the barrel joint. I feel that it is too fragile.

[SpaceKaseJase]

Someone going to explain the difference between over run and knockoff?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Someone going to explain the difference between over run and knockoff?

As far as I understand it, "over-run" should probably be renamed "over-production", as in figures produced after a certain quota has been met under a scheduled production period. Knockoffs, by definition, are made using molds acquired under illegal pretenses. Mostly by copying, but stolen molds should also fall under that. They're usually lower quality product compared to officially produced figures barring rejects.

O, don't believe the "KO's that are made using official molds by the same factories" routine.

[fenrir72]

O, don't believe the "KO's that are made using official molds by the same factories" routine.

You're the second( technically the third after me and the other guy spacekase) to smell the BS in that mindset).

Though about those overruns, still not a single one yet. Even in China's aliexpress.

[SpaceKaseJase]

Someone going to explain the difference between over run and knockoff?

As far as I understand it, "over-run" should probably be renamed "over-production", as in figures produced after a certain quota has been met under a scheduled production period. Knockoffs, by definition, are made using molds acquired under illegal pretenses. Mostly by copying, but stolen molds should also fall under that. They're usually lower quality product compared to officially produced figures barring rejects.

O, don't believe the "KO's that are made using official molds by the same factories" routine.

I don't know, man. I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around "over run". I have yet to see an official MP being discounted due to overproduction. Only the cheap ones are knockoffs based on my experience.

[Cobotron]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

[SpaceKaseJase]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

I would appreciate that.

[Ironhidensh]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

I would appreciate that.

lena81822

[SpaceKaseJase]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

I would appreciate that.

lena81822

Thx. Still searching her eBay store for Transformers. How does one determine if something is an over run or reject? I've been seriously collecting since 2000 (even though I'm technically a geewunner) and I have not heard of these. I agree they would be perfect to cannibalize, provided the prices are cheap.

[MadProject]

Considering how Takara did already with some Masterpiece release (like Red Alert and Optimus Primal) do you think they'll do a g1-toy accurate version for this Masterpiece?

basically, in my mind, the eventual alternative version should be cast in silver plastic, with black legs with red in the inner side, the barrel positioned in the side of the body as main transforming, instead of being just a special feature, and a couple of alternative accessories:

-the chromed sword that came with the g1 Megatron toy
-an alternative face more similar to his g1 toy counterpart (something similar to this sketch)

Probably this version would miss all the "cartoon" accessories that came with MP-36, like the battle damaged parts, the Key to Vector Sigma,the helmet, the weapons used in the movie and the mace.
Also, the chest would feature the regular decepticon badge (instead of the three-pointed, that is cartoon accurate) and the swirl details on the sides.

I can also see them giving as special offert for pre-orders a chest with the regular decepticon badge for MP-36

What do you think about this?
Is a realistic possibility or not?
And also, would you purchase a similar release, considering also that with a second run they could have fixed the already known issues of this mold?

[fenrir72]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

He/She/They/It no longer sell those stuff anymore at ebay last I checked.

But aside from the former, I've been searching for over run Megs MP-36 and still zilch.

[fenrir72]

Considering how Takara did already with some Masterpiece release (like Red Alert and Optimus Primal) do you think they'll do a g1-toy accurate version for this Masterpiece?

basically, in my mind, the eventual alternative version should be cast in silver plastic, with black legs with red in the inner side, the barrel positioned in the side of the body as main transforming, instead of being just a special feature, and a couple of alternative accessories:

-the chromed sword that came with the g1 Megatron toy
-an alternative face more similar to his g1 toy counterpart (something similar to this sketch)

mp megatron alt face.jpg

Probably this version would miss all the "cartoon" accessories that came with MP-36, like the battle damaged parts, the Key to Vector Sigma,the helmet, the weapons used in the movie and the mace.
Also, the chest would feature the regular decepticon badge (instead of the three-pointed, that is cartoon accurate) and the swirl details on the sides.

I can also see them giving as special offert for pre-orders a chest with the regular decepticon badge for MP-36

What do you think about this?
Is a realistic possibility or not?
And also, would you purchase a similar release, considering also that with a second run they could have fixed the already known issues of this mold?

Maybe wait 6 months up. Unless the demand for the default MP-36 will be so great there might be a second pressing.

Already speculated on my part there might be a "Megaplex" (though MP-05 never got one) or even quantum surge MP-36 aka Black armor Megatron but we'll just wait and see and cross your fingers.

[fenrir72]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

I would appreciate that.

lena81822

Thx. Still searching her eBay store for Transformers. How does one determine if something is an over run or reject? I've been seriously collecting since 2000 (even though I'm technically a geewunner) and I have not heard of these. I agree they would be perfect to cannibalize, provided the prices are cheap.

overruns and KO are basically the same animal

[SpaceKaseJase]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

I would appreciate that.

lena81822

Thx. Still searching her eBay store for Transformers. How does one determine if something is an over run or reject? I've been seriously collecting since 2000 (even though I'm technically a geewunner) and I have not heard of these. I agree they would be perfect to cannibalize, provided the prices are cheap.

overruns and KO are basically the same animal

Not according to some in this thread.

[Ironhidensh]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

I would appreciate that.

lena81822

Thx. Still searching her eBay store for Transformers. How does one determine if something is an over run or reject? I've been seriously collecting since 2000 (even though I'm technically a geewunner) and I have not heard of these. I agree they would be perfect to cannibalize, provided the prices are cheap.

overruns and KO are basically the same animal

No. Not even close.

[fenrir72]

Over run is a thing, but also, what we tend to see on ebay and the like are "rejects" meaning they came off the production line with imperfections that did not clear QC.

Could someone please help me remember Lena's full seller name on ebay, so we can link Jase to an example of what Fen is talking about? Thanks.

I would appreciate that.

lena81822

Thx. Still searching her eBay store for Transformers. How does one determine if something is an over run or reject? I've been seriously collecting since 2000 (even though I'm technically a geewunner) and I have not heard of these. I agree they would be perfect to cannibalize, provided the prices are cheap.

overruns and KO are basically the same animal

No. Not even close.

My point exactly. Btw if the assumption is based on just a gut feeling and no documented proof, well, the opposing side has just the same amount of credibility as the ones who believe otherwise.

Though I am already testing that hypothesis of "over runs". How come no one has yet come out with one? Now that the original official Megs has been out in retail. It's been like 20+ days for both JP and Asia.

Aliexpress and ebay has NO "over runs yet. Aren't they supposed to have been manufactured at the same time at the same factory yet did NOT meet the QC standards of Takara?

Are they(the vendors) just holding back? For what? Are the"over runs" stolen? Or are the "over runs" being mold "cloned" from the originals?

[sol magnus]

Considering how Takara did already with some Masterpiece release (like Red Alert and Optimus Primal) do you think they'll do a g1-toy accurate version for this Masterpiece?

basically, in my mind, the eventual alternative version should be cast in silver plastic, with black legs with red in the inner side, the barrel positioned in the side of the body as main transforming, instead of being just a special feature, and a couple of alternative accessories:

-the chromed sword that came with the g1 Megatron toy
-an alternative face more similar to his g1 toy counterpart (something similar to this sketch)

mp megatron alt face.jpg

Probably this version would miss all the "cartoon" accessories that came with MP-36, like the battle damaged parts, the Key to Vector Sigma,the helmet, the weapons used in the movie and the mace.
Also, the chest would feature the regular decepticon badge (instead of the three-pointed, that is cartoon accurate) and the swirl details on the sides.

I can also see them giving as special offert for pre-orders a chest with the regular decepticon badge for MP-36

What do you think about this?
Is a realistic possibility or not?
And also, would you purchase a similar release, considering also that with a second run they could have fixed the already known issues of this mold?

The sad thing is, if they do a toy redeco with the Japanese Sword included, I will probably buy it. Might have tampo'd Destron symbols and another face. I'd pop for that.

[Emerje]

Over runs of those Calvin Johnson Megatron figures were all over ebay for a while which is easily explained by Hasbro making more figures than there were the Nikes to sell with them. But that's a pretty rare example of something being over produced before it can be packaged for retail. Typically that sort of thing would just be destroyed (yep, that's what happens to rejects and extras) so for someone to have them them to sell in bulk they'd have to be stolen.

O, don't believe the "KO's that are made using official molds by the same factories" routine.

You're the second( technically the third after me and the other guy spacekase) to smell the BS in that mindset).

Today, no, they're reverse engineered. No factory worthy of being used by a major manufacturer would risk losing that contract just to make knockoffs on the side.

However, in the 80s, yeah, that was a thing that happened. Back then storage space for molds was at a premium so metal molds were routinely destroyed and recycled, because hey, it isn't like Hasbro is ever going to use them again (hence so many missing G1 molds that can't be reissued). But that costs money so it wasn't uncommon for factories to sell molds under the table instead.

Emerje

[fenrir72]

Over runs of those Calvin Johnson Megatron figures were all over ebay for a while which is easily explained by Hasbro making more figures than there were the Nikes to sell with them. But that's a pretty rare example of something being over produced before it can be packaged for retail. Typically that sort of thing would just be destroyed (yep, that's what happens to rejects and extras) so for someone to have them them to sell in bulk they'd have to be stolen.

O, don't believe the "KO's that are made using official molds by the same factories" routine.

You're the second( technically the third after me and the other guy spacekase) to smell the BS in that mindset).

Today, no, they're reverse engineered. No factory worthy of being used by a major manufacturer would risk losing that contract just to make knockoffs on the side.

However, in the 80s, yeah, that was a thing that happened. Back then storage space for molds was at a premium so metal molds were routinely destroyed and recycled, because hey, it isn't like Hasbro is ever going to use them again (hence so many missing G1 molds that can't be reissued). But that costs money so it wasn't uncommon for factories to sell molds under the table instead.

Emerje

So technically, the alternative to help our fellow collector to repair their MP 36 is to either buy another original or wait for the Takarsa versions which are KO and not over runs.

Isn't it really surprising that we only get MP "over runs" and not the regulars? (Yup, I've seen a lot of KO regulars, but their packaging are so easy to spot).

So spacekase, you have to bite the bullet and just choose either option. New one or the sometimes 50% less KO for replacement parts to fix that darn barrel.