Burn wrote:ahhhh another thread degenerates into who's the best director in the world.
Simple argument?
The best director in the world is who YOU believe it to be. It's the opinion of the viewer.
A person can sprout all the statistics they want for a movie but at the end of the day it comes down to personal opinion.
And yes, it's an opinion. Plain and simple. You either like Michael Bay's style or you don't. You either want to blow Uwe's head off or you don't. You either want to worship the ground Speilberg walks on or you don't.
It really is that simple. And it all comes down to respecting the opinion of another. You may not agree with it, but you don't have the right to ram it down a person's throat and tell them they're wrong or criticise them for liking something or someone that you don't.
michala3 wrote:The Wachowski bros. (or brother & sister) would be well suited for that, but they have some Speed Racing to do.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:michala3 wrote:The Wachowski bros. (or brother & sister) would be well suited for that, but they have some Speed Racing to do.
1. It's Brothers. Andy and Larry.
2. HELL YES TO SPEED RACER.
Wikipedia wrote:Lana Wachowski
Shortly after the release of Matrix Reloaded, Larry Wachowski began to make small public appearances dressed as a woman and going by Lana Wachowski. [2] In his column, published May 30, 2003, David Poland said "Every indication I have says that Larry Wachowski is now in the process of changing his sex. Dressing in public like a woman, taking female hormones and yes, having a sex change operation."[3][4] However, since then many sources have called this into question stating that he is merely a cross dresser and not a transsexual[1].
In March 2006, the San Francisco Chronicle reported in an article on transgender people, that Larry Wachowski "has changed his sex and is now living as Lana Wachowski". [5]
Shadowman wrote:michala3 wrote:The Wachowski bros. (or brother & sister) would be well suited for that, but they have some Speed Racing to do.
1. It's Brothers. Andy and Larry.
2. HELL YES TO SPEED RACER.
AbsumZer0 wrote:People coming in and proclaiming "he's perfect because a mindless popcorn-flick is exactly what Transformers is supposed to be", "it's based on a stupid 80's cartoon anyway", or one of a million other statements that's been done to death is what sparks so many arguments on this board. You want a mindless popcorn-flick and you don't want and/or think the brand deserves anything better? Well, good-news! That's what we're getting, so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?
Not everyone wants and is happy with getting a cliched, predictable summer popcorn flick with cheesy jokes and barely recognizable characters. Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Sonray wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:People coming in and proclaiming "he's perfect because a mindless popcorn-flick is exactly what Transformers is supposed to be", "it's based on a stupid 80's cartoon anyway", or one of a million other statements that's been done to death is what sparks so many arguments on this board. You want a mindless popcorn-flick and you don't want and/or think the brand deserves anything better? Well, good-news! That's what we're getting, so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?
Not everyone wants and is happy with getting a cliched, predictable summer popcorn flick with cheesy jokes and barely recognizable characters. Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Making snide sarcastic remarks and trying to insult other peoples opinions whilst not directly doing so is quite pathetic as well ya know. Whats the command for the rolling eyes emote again?
ffs....
AbsumZer0 wrote:Sonray wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:People coming in and proclaiming "he's perfect because a mindless popcorn-flick is exactly what Transformers is supposed to be", "it's based on a stupid 80's cartoon anyway", or one of a million other statements that's been done to death is what sparks so many arguments on this board. You want a mindless popcorn-flick and you don't want and/or think the brand deserves anything better? Well, good-news! That's what we're getting, so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?
Not everyone wants and is happy with getting a cliched, predictable summer popcorn flick with cheesy jokes and barely recognizable characters. Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Making snide sarcastic remarks and trying to insult other peoples opinions whilst not directly doing so is quite pathetic as well ya know. Whats the command for the rolling eyes emote again?
ffs....
That quote was a reference to everyone who's come onto this board and other boards and said the exact same things, each time acting as if they're the first to make that argument. If you're referring to the fact that I didn't mention you by name in that comment I simply didn't need to because you're not at all unique in that respect.
You want me to openly make snide, sarcastic remarks? How's this:
How does I use super-complex dropdown graphical menu to select smiley icons?
ysaafr...
AbsumZer0 wrote:Everyone has their opinion of what a Transformers movie should be and, for a lot of us, this guy directing is exactly what a Transformers movie shouldn't be.
so what's the point in your going from thread to thread complaining about all the "geewhunner cry-babies"?
Instead of going about insisting people "deal with it" they should "deal with" the fact that it isn't everyone's cup of tea.
AbsumZer0 wrote:Sonray wrote:Just because that is how they are categorized IN A RENTAL STORE doesnt mean they ARE action movies. To use how films are catergorized on a shelf in a rental store and using that as a "fact" towards what genre a certain movie falls under is the weakest attempt at holding up your side of the arguement i have ever seen!
And yeah, an action movie is a mindless popcorn summer blockbuster bay/woo/harlin-esque seat filler, its harder to get any clearer than that.
If you knew anything about film you would be able to tell the difference. But since you don't then there's no point in continuing this stupid **** flinging contest you've started.
And the fact that you believe an action movie should be nothing more than an inane and drivelous special-effects flick derivitave of everything that's ever come before it, ignoring the existence of 'Action' films which have made serious attempts to elevate the genre like Aliens, Gladiator, Platoon, Saving Private Ryan, Die Hard, V for Vendatta, and Sin City, while insisting that everything which is something more than a pure popcorn flick "isn't action" (War of the Worlds and Kill Bill? Who the hell are you kidding?) goes to show that you both know nothing about film and are part of the problem when it comes to enabling Hollywood to pump out one licensed crapfest after another.
Burn wrote:No movie will ever appeal to everyone. And this movie was never going to be made for the fans, contrary to what certain producers may have claimed.
It was going to be made to make money. And that means creating a movie that appeals to the majority of the movie going public.
Burn wrote:And this is based on what? The number of people jumping up and down complaining about it?
That's a human trait. If you don't like something you speak out about it. If you do like something then most people don't speak out about it.
Don't presume the haters are a majority. They're just the most vocal.
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Because i've yet to see one valid argument from a "geewhunner cry-baby".
All i've seen is a lot of bitching based on material that was unfinished.
Bingo.
No movie will ever appeal to everyone. And this movie was never going to be made for the fans, contrary to what certain producers may have claimed.
It was going to be made to make money. And that means creating a movie that appeals to the majority of the movie going public.
Neko wrote:For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?
Boxoffice figure determine whether or not there's a sequal or if the people who made the film still have work.
For Gondor! wrote:Neko wrote:For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?
Boxoffice figure determine whether or not there's a sequal or if the people who made the film still have work.
No, I mean the whole "Bay had big hits therefore he's good and perfect for Transformers" mindset..
AbsumZer0 wrote:Burn wrote:And this is based on what? The number of people jumping up and down complaining about it?
That's a human trait. If you don't like something you speak out about it. If you do like something then most people don't speak out about it.
Don't presume the haters are a majority. They're just the most vocal.
So, you're saying "a lot of people jumping up and down and complaining" doesn't equal "a lot of people"? What? Who said they were a majority? Who's claiming to speak for everyone? The "shut up and stop whining geewhunners" folks tend to be the people claiming to represent the majority... as you're doing now.A
Because i've yet to see one valid argument from a "geewhunner cry-baby".
All i've seen is a lot of bitching based on material that was unfinished.
Lots of unfinished concept art, like Starscream's, that people insisted was 'early and probably going to change'? Unfinished material... as in Bay's entire previous body of work? The same folks who go about insisting "don't complain until you've seen the entire movie" are the same people going "Bay's perfect for this because all his previous movies are mindless popcorn flicks" or "don't knock Bay because I thought Armageddon/Bad Boys II" was great. The problem is, NOT EVERYONE THOUGHT ARMAGEDDON OR BAD BOYS II WERE ENJOYABLE MOVIES AND THOSE OF US COMPLAINING ARE DISAPPOINTED WE'RE NOT GETTING SOMETHING WITH MORE SUBSTANCE THAN A MINDLESS MICHAEL BAY POPCORN FLICK.Bingo.
No movie will ever appeal to everyone. And this movie was never going to be made for the fans, contrary to what certain producers may have claimed.
It was going to be made to make money. And that means creating a movie that appeals to the majority of the movie going public.
Yeah, a lot of people paid to see Norbit. What Michael Bay is doing isn't meant to appeal to all, maybe even most fans of the property. WE GET THAT ALREADY. THE PEOPLE MAKING THIS MOVIE HAVE MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR, IN SPITE OF ALL THE LIP-SERVICE THEY'VE GIVEN THE RAGS CLAIMING OTHERWISE. So why can't the folks going around telling the people who are fairly certain they're not going to enjoy it (and by your own admission might not) to "stop whining" take their own advice and STFU for once?
Those of us who don't like it aren't going to change their mind after the billionth retard goes "but blocky designs would have never worked". Why not let people voice their disappointment? Why be so offended that some people generally dislike cheezy popcorn fare and would prefer to spend their money on something that isn't aimed squarely at the LCD? If they didn't get so asshurt over it it wouldn't be so tempting to take pot-shots at Bay to begin with.
For Gondor! wrote:I've seen it used a lot as kind of justification that he knows what he is doing with Transformers because he's had hit films.
Sonray wrote:
And to now turn a difference in opinions into a full blown, name-calling flame war makes you think that anything you have to say has anything valid or worthwhile behind it?
When you start calling names, and insulting people and such you loose any credibility you might have once had.
Heres the bottom line:
If you dont like Bay or the new TF's THEN GET THE FECK OVER IT AND DONT SEE THE FREAKING MOVIE AND SHUT THE FECK UP!
If someone says they liked the movie, then you can go to them and say "i dont like it ((despite never seeing it)) because bay directed it" but that doesnt give you the right to start calling people who did like the movie "retards".
Yes voice your disappointments, you have every right to, but you are simply getting out of line now!
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